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		<title>By: Samat Jain (tamasrepus) 's status on Friday, 31-Jul-09 07:14:34 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An interesting way to look at the concept of opaque pricing is in terms of the &quot;credible commitment&quot; factor:

Imagine you are running a business and a customer approaches you and proclaims the following:

&quot;I am willing to pay $150 for your product, but I swear on my life that I am not willing to pay a dollar more. I know that one of your competitors is willing to sell me a similar product for $150, and if you refuse my offer, I will instead purchase your competitor&#039;s product.&quot;

Would you accept the offer? Even though the offer price of $150 would generate a profit from your product that you otherwise wouldn&#039;t sell, you probably wouldn&#039;t accept, because you have no reason to believe that the customer is telling the truth. If you were open to negotiating at all, you would hope that this is their first offer, and upon refusal, they would continue to raise it. In fact, if you did accept, you would effectively be training your customer to lie to you to get the better deal. Even if you knew the competitor next door was, in fact, selling a similar product at $150, you might hope that the customer places a premium value on your brand. In a normal buyer-seller relationship, as you pointed out, &quot;the buyer has no incentive to tell, as anyone who has haggled with a car salesman well knows.&quot;

Imagine, though, if you could go to two car salesman, discover their minimum price, and somehow convince them that you are not willing to pay a dollar more (and, knowing each salesman&#039;s minimum price, you really wouldn&#039;t pay more to either of the two). This is where the credible commitment factor comes into play. If the supplier has good reason to believe that you are offering your maximum price, it is typically in their best interest to accept (assuming they are covering fixed costs and generating more profit then the next best alternative use of the unit of inventory).

Hotwire is not selling hotel rooms, air tickets or car rentals. At such steep discounts off of full price, the hotels, airlines and rental agencies are perfectly capable of selling their excess inventory directly to the customer without paying Hotwire commission.

Hotwire is instead selling &quot;proof of credible commitment&quot; - commitment on the customer&#039;s part that if you refuse their offer, they will not be offering you a higher price. Hotwire&#039;s business model creates a rate fence around customers that are price sensitive and brand insensitive within a given geographic area and quality tier.

As you mentioned, &quot;sellers create segmented offerings as a way to get at least some customers to pay more&quot;. In between the price insensitive, brand sensitive customer that is willing to pay full price for their preferred brand and the price sensitive, brand insensitive customer, there is a market of customers with a brand preference that are not able or willing to pay full price.

Using the credible commitment model from Hotwire, is there a way to reach this market? What about this: the customer commits to purchasing the product (in the given geographic range and quality tier) from the supplier with the lowest ask price, just like the Hotwire model. After entering their credit card information and agreeing to a non-refundable purchase, they are prompted with the opportunity to bid on the brand of their choice before the winning supplier is divulged, with two possible outcomes: the bid for the desired brand will be accepted and the customer pays a premium over the opaque price but a discount to the full, transparent price, or the bid is denied and the customer is required to purchase the product from the supplier with the lowest ask price in the opaque model.

The fundamental &quot;credible commitment&quot; factor still exists as the customer guarantees that if their offer to their preferred brand is refused, they are guaranteeing to purchase from the competitor. What are the flaws in this concept?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting way to look at the concept of opaque pricing is in terms of the &#8220;credible commitment&#8221; factor:</p>
<p>Imagine you are running a business and a customer approaches you and proclaims the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am willing to pay $150 for your product, but I swear on my life that I am not willing to pay a dollar more. I know that one of your competitors is willing to sell me a similar product for $150, and if you refuse my offer, I will instead purchase your competitor&#8217;s product.&#8221;</p>
<p>Would you accept the offer? Even though the offer price of $150 would generate a profit from your product that you otherwise wouldn&#8217;t sell, you probably wouldn&#8217;t accept, because you have no reason to believe that the customer is telling the truth. If you were open to negotiating at all, you would hope that this is their first offer, and upon refusal, they would continue to raise it. In fact, if you did accept, you would effectively be training your customer to lie to you to get the better deal. Even if you knew the competitor next door was, in fact, selling a similar product at $150, you might hope that the customer places a premium value on your brand. In a normal buyer-seller relationship, as you pointed out, &#8220;the buyer has no incentive to tell, as anyone who has haggled with a car salesman well knows.&#8221;</p>
<p>Imagine, though, if you could go to two car salesman, discover their minimum price, and somehow convince them that you are not willing to pay a dollar more (and, knowing each salesman&#8217;s minimum price, you really wouldn&#8217;t pay more to either of the two). This is where the credible commitment factor comes into play. If the supplier has good reason to believe that you are offering your maximum price, it is typically in their best interest to accept (assuming they are covering fixed costs and generating more profit then the next best alternative use of the unit of inventory).</p>
<p>Hotwire is not selling hotel rooms, air tickets or car rentals. At such steep discounts off of full price, the hotels, airlines and rental agencies are perfectly capable of selling their excess inventory directly to the customer without paying Hotwire commission.</p>
<p>Hotwire is instead selling &#8220;proof of credible commitment&#8221; &#8211; commitment on the customer&#8217;s part that if you refuse their offer, they will not be offering you a higher price. Hotwire&#8217;s business model creates a rate fence around customers that are price sensitive and brand insensitive within a given geographic area and quality tier.</p>
<p>As you mentioned, &#8220;sellers create segmented offerings as a way to get at least some customers to pay more&#8221;. In between the price insensitive, brand sensitive customer that is willing to pay full price for their preferred brand and the price sensitive, brand insensitive customer, there is a market of customers with a brand preference that are not able or willing to pay full price.</p>
<p>Using the credible commitment model from Hotwire, is there a way to reach this market? What about this: the customer commits to purchasing the product (in the given geographic range and quality tier) from the supplier with the lowest ask price, just like the Hotwire model. After entering their credit card information and agreeing to a non-refundable purchase, they are prompted with the opportunity to bid on the brand of their choice before the winning supplier is divulged, with two possible outcomes: the bid for the desired brand will be accepted and the customer pays a premium over the opaque price but a discount to the full, transparent price, or the bid is denied and the customer is required to purchase the product from the supplier with the lowest ask price in the opaque model.</p>
<p>The fundamental &#8220;credible commitment&#8221; factor still exists as the customer guarantees that if their offer to their preferred brand is refused, they are guaranteeing to purchase from the competitor. What are the flaws in this concept?</p>
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		<title>By: Internet Marketing, Strategy &#38; Technology Links &#8211; July 21, 2009 &#171; Sazbean</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Josh Lipton</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/19/the-power-of-opaque-selling/#comment-218135</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Lipton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any feedback on how to approach this when you are selling a managed service or consulting type product?]]></description>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/19/the-power-of-opaque-selling/#comment-218134</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This happens with wine. Sell the good juice when you have too much of it. See Trader Joe&#039;s VINTJs label. Good wines, but they won&#039;t tell you where from.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This happens with wine. Sell the good juice when you have too much of it. See Trader Joe&#8217;s VINTJs label. Good wines, but they won&#8217;t tell you where from.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-07-20 &#171; A little Jack with that?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/19/the-power-of-opaque-selling/#comment-218133</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[links for 2009-07-20 &#171; A little Jack with that?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wahoodude</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/19/the-power-of-opaque-selling/#comment-218132</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See google.com.  The #1 Opaque seller.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See google.com.  The #1 Opaque seller.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/19/the-power-of-opaque-selling/#comment-218131</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett Glass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing that seems weird at first about &quot;opaque selling&quot; is that it is about artificially DECREASING the value of a product to a customer (by preventing the customer from knowing exactly what he or she is paying for). But this is actually common in many industry, and opacity is only one way in which value can be decreased.

There are many cases in which a seller with excess inventory will say, in effect, &quot;OK, I&#039;ll sell this good or service for less than the price I&#039;d like to, but to avoid driving down the product&#039;s usual price I will actually damage or degrade it in some way first.&quot;

One such tactic is &quot;opaque selling,&quot; you get exactly the same hotel room as you would have gotten at a higher price, but it&#039;s artificially devalued because you don&#039;t know if (for example) it&#039;s convenient to a meeting you&#039;re attending or to public transportation. Another is &quot;crippleware,&quot; in which you get a piece of electronic equipment or software with features artificially turned off. (Often, they can be turned back on by paying the difference between the &quot;crippled&quot; price and the full price, and receiving a code which activates the features.)

The problem with such schemes is that they only work in the absence of competition. If there&#039;s real competition, the price of the undegraded product WILL be driven down as sellers compete for those last few customers. On the other hand, if there are multiple sellers with product available and they ALL engage in selling of degraded products rather than simply lowering their prices, it&#039;s a form of tacit collusion to keep prices high.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that seems weird at first about &#8220;opaque selling&#8221; is that it is about artificially DECREASING the value of a product to a customer (by preventing the customer from knowing exactly what he or she is paying for). But this is actually common in many industry, and opacity is only one way in which value can be decreased.</p>
<p>There are many cases in which a seller with excess inventory will say, in effect, &#8220;OK, I&#8217;ll sell this good or service for less than the price I&#8217;d like to, but to avoid driving down the product&#8217;s usual price I will actually damage or degrade it in some way first.&#8221;</p>
<p>One such tactic is &#8220;opaque selling,&#8221; you get exactly the same hotel room as you would have gotten at a higher price, but it&#8217;s artificially devalued because you don&#8217;t know if (for example) it&#8217;s convenient to a meeting you&#8217;re attending or to public transportation. Another is &#8220;crippleware,&#8221; in which you get a piece of electronic equipment or software with features artificially turned off. (Often, they can be turned back on by paying the difference between the &#8220;crippled&#8221; price and the full price, and receiving a code which activates the features.)</p>
<p>The problem with such schemes is that they only work in the absence of competition. If there&#8217;s real competition, the price of the undegraded product WILL be driven down as sellers compete for those last few customers. On the other hand, if there are multiple sellers with product available and they ALL engage in selling of degraded products rather than simply lowering their prices, it&#8217;s a form of tacit collusion to keep prices high.</p>
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		<title>By: 2 artículos interesantes del Domingo 19 de Jul publicados en otros blogs &#187; hombrelobo, una mente dispersa</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike Speiser</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/19/the-power-of-opaque-selling/#comment-218129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Speiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For some sellers it might not be right.  But for many others it is working very well.  And it&#039;s not about greed, but rather return on investment / productivity.  It makes absolutely no sense to let a seat, room, or food go to waste.  In my book, such an outcome is far worse than finding a way to generate incremental income WHILE serving customers at an accessible price.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some sellers it might not be right.  But for many others it is working very well.  And it&#8217;s not about greed, but rather return on investment / productivity.  It makes absolutely no sense to let a seat, room, or food go to waste.  In my book, such an outcome is far worse than finding a way to generate incremental income WHILE serving customers at an accessible price.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Speiser</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/19/the-power-of-opaque-selling/#comment-218128</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Speiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like it!

I think you could use this approach for many other industry segments where you have excess capacity that is perishable (hotel rooms, flights, food, electronics, ad space, and so on).  I don&#039;t know of anyone doing these sort of things, but I didn&#039;t look that hard...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like it!</p>
<p>I think you could use this approach for many other industry segments where you have excess capacity that is perishable (hotel rooms, flights, food, electronics, ad space, and so on).  I don&#8217;t know of anyone doing these sort of things, but I didn&#8217;t look that hard&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Speiser</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/19/the-power-of-opaque-selling/#comment-218127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Speiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Channels aren&#039;t intrinsically good or bad, but rather made that may by good and bad people ;--)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Channels aren&#8217;t intrinsically good or bad, but rather made that may by good and bad people ;&#8211;)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Speiser</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/19/the-power-of-opaque-selling/#comment-218126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Speiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love the idea of congestion pricing, something that won William Vickrey the Nobel prize in economics (http://www.vtpi.org/vickrey.htm).  I agree with you that it could be more broadly used to improve the productivity of assets without further investment.

My point on opaque pricing was a bit different -- it is that opaque channels may offer sellers the opportunity to have their cake and eat it too.  That is, that they can find the market clearing price as they already do and leverage another channel that will have minimal cannibalization of revenue, as has been done effectively in the travel industry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the idea of congestion pricing, something that won William Vickrey the Nobel prize in economics (<a href="http://www.vtpi.org/vickrey.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.vtpi.org/vickrey.htm</a>).  I agree with you that it could be more broadly used to improve the productivity of assets without further investment.</p>
<p>My point on opaque pricing was a bit different &#8212; it is that opaque channels may offer sellers the opportunity to have their cake and eat it too.  That is, that they can find the market clearing price as they already do and leverage another channel that will have minimal cannibalization of revenue, as has been done effectively in the travel industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Speiser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Speiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be clear, I&#039;m not encouraging the airline industry to do anything ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be clear, I&#8217;m not encouraging the airline industry to do anything ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Speiser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Speiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very cool insight -- hadn&#039;t thought of the chef&#039;s choice that way before.  There is chinese place near the financial district in downtown SF like that, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool insight &#8212; hadn&#8217;t thought of the chef&#8217;s choice that way before.  There is chinese place near the financial district in downtown SF like that, too.</p>
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		<title>By: confused</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[why do I always see hairbrained ideas here ... opaque selling or whatever you call it is not a sustainable model. Just like outlet stores were not sustainable.

Over time, price pressure would always set in, for the hotels it is get money now but suffer later. Any five star hotel wants to attract a certain kind of clientele, but with opaque selling the hotel attracts some people it does not want to and that drives down the price people with money are willing to pay for that item.

A lot of brands that tried price discrimination are pulling back and focusing on there core consumers, there is no need to  be greedy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do I always see hairbrained ideas here &#8230; opaque selling or whatever you call it is not a sustainable model. Just like outlet stores were not sustainable.</p>
<p>Over time, price pressure would always set in, for the hotels it is get money now but suffer later. Any five star hotel wants to attract a certain kind of clientele, but with opaque selling the hotel attracts some people it does not want to and that drives down the price people with money are willing to pay for that item.</p>
<p>A lot of brands that tried price discrimination are pulling back and focusing on there core consumers, there is no need to  be greedy.</p>
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