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		<title>By: Tech Interrupted: Lessons From T-Mo and Rackspace</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-982560</link>
		<dc:creator>Tech Interrupted: Lessons From T-Mo and Rackspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] during a July App Engine platform outage, I got several emails from people who were frustrated that Google didn&#8217;t give them much information on the problem. One of those emails (I&#8217;m keeping the person&#8217;s name out of this as he is [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: What Happened in Cloud Computing in Q2? &#124; Tech Daily</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-961280</link>
		<dc:creator>What Happened in Cloud Computing in Q2? &#124; Tech Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] The quarter wrapped up with highly publicized outages of Rackspace’s Dallas data center and Google’s App Engine platform. Meanwhile a routing error at Google slowed service for about 14 percent of users, and a [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: What Happened in Cloud Computing in Q2?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-961196</link>
		<dc:creator>What Happened in Cloud Computing in Q2?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] The quarter wrapped up with highly publicized outages of Rackspace’s Dallas data center and Google’s App Engine platform. Meanwhile a routing error at Google slowed service for about 14 percent of users, and a [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Rethinking The Cloud: From Client/Server To P2P &#124; CloudAve</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-957527</link>
		<dc:creator>Rethinking The Cloud: From Client/Server To P2P &#124; CloudAve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] this concept are maturing fast. However, the services offered by different vendors are facing downtimes. In fact, such downtimes were part of even the traditional infrastructure approaches like [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this concept are maturing fast. However, the services offered by different vendors are facing downtimes. In fact, such downtimes were part of even the traditional infrastructure approaches like [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: google fan boy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-957425</link>
		<dc:creator>google fan boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;muselius- you say its a &#039;it is a preview release&#039;... App Engine has been out of preview for over a year. Since February, they have been charging for the GAE service if you exceed your quotas, which should be reliable enough for a &#039;serious project&#039; if a guy has to pay for it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A six hour downtime is inexcusable, and shows they lack the resources to diagnose and restore the service in a timely manner. The level of communication of the problem is poor as well.  Obviously they aren&#039;t prepared to let people know they made a mistake since they aren&#039;t divulging exactly what went wrong.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We have been kicking the tires on GAE, and with this outage and the way Google handled it is bad business.  Right now, I don&#039;t see any benefits to using the service. Amazon Web Services gives you the best flexibility with scaling up, down and out.  Plus you aren&#039;t limited to any single platform.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lets be honest... Google is good at one thing... Selling Ads.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>muselius- you say its a &#8216;it is a preview release&#8217;&#8230; App Engine has been out of preview for over a year. Since February, they have been charging for the GAE service if you exceed your quotas, which should be reliable enough for a &#8217;serious project&#8217; if a guy has to pay for it.</p>

<p>A six hour downtime is inexcusable, and shows they lack the resources to diagnose and restore the service in a timely manner. The level of communication of the problem is poor as well.  Obviously they aren&#8217;t prepared to let people know they made a mistake since they aren&#8217;t divulging exactly what went wrong.</p>

<p>We have been kicking the tires on GAE, and with this outage and the way Google handled it is bad business.  Right now, I don&#8217;t see any benefits to using the service. Amazon Web Services gives you the best flexibility with scaling up, down and out.  Plus you aren&#8217;t limited to any single platform.</p>

<p>Lets be honest&#8230; Google is good at one thing&#8230; Selling Ads.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Los peligros de la nube del hosting, Carrero</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-957273</link>
		<dc:creator>Los peligros de la nube del hosting, Carrero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] referencias: GigaOM y DataCenter Knowledge vía: Denker über  Etiquetas: cloud computing, hosting, php, servidores [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: muselius</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-957209</link>
		<dc:creator>muselius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We use appengine as our hosting platform and we were affected by the downtime. I think all these problems will finish soon, it is a preview release, don&#039;t forget that &quot;detail&quot;, it is not supposed to be reliable enough for a serious project!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We use appengine as our hosting platform and we were affected by the downtime. I think all these problems will finish soon, it is a preview release, don&#8217;t forget that &#8220;detail&#8221;, it is not supposed to be reliable enough for a serious project!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Saasmanario - Semana 27/2009 &#124; Saasmania</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-957166</link>
		<dc:creator>Saasmanario - Semana 27/2009 &#124; Saasmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] semana dos outage.- Mala semana para las nubes públicas de RackSpace y Google App Engine, ambas sufrieron caídas que afectaron a bastantes [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Mishan Aburted</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-956911</link>
		<dc:creator>Mishan Aburted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google Arrogance(tm) is their most important product, and the nature of Google&#039;s business may make them peculiarly tone deaf in dealing with end-users.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The lock-in problem with AppEngine seems like the biggest red flag.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google Arrogance(tm) is their most important product, and the nature of Google&#8217;s business may make them peculiarly tone deaf in dealing with end-users.</p>

<p>The lock-in problem with AppEngine seems like the biggest red flag.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: La caída de Google AppEngine y el peligro de la nube &#124; Denken Über</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-956857</link>
		<dc:creator>La caída de Google AppEngine y el peligro de la nube &#124; Denken Über</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] terceros no es la panacea que esperamos. Hoy fue el turno de Google App Engine como reportan desde GigaOM hasta DataCenter Knowledge y es interesante ver como este tipo de problemas le abre los ojos a [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] terceros no es la panacea que esperamos. Hoy fue el turno de Google App Engine como reportan desde GigaOM hasta DataCenter Knowledge y es interesante ver como este tipo de problemas le abre los ojos a [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sonal Maheshwari</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-956856</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonal Maheshwari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree completely with you on this. Why in the world even after so much time do they keep the tag as Beta. It looks like they want to remain free of all the hassles due to customer queries and dissatisfaction.
This has been the story since long let us see when they change their ways.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sonal Maheshwari
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usourceit.com/portal/SalesEnquiryClient.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;USourceIT: Single source for all your IT needs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely with you on this. Why in the world even after so much time do they keep the tag as Beta. It looks like they want to remain free of all the hassles due to customer queries and dissatisfaction.
This has been the story since long let us see when they change their ways.</p>

<p>Sonal Maheshwari
<a href="http://www.usourceit.com/portal/SalesEnquiryClient.aspx" rel="nofollow">USourceIT: Single source for all your IT needs</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dailypad</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-956828</link>
		<dc:creator>dailypad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If google docs team is reading this. Google spreadsheets forms have been having chinese characters display issue under Safari and I.E. since a week ago. just use Safari and I.E. to check this link to see the different compared to Firefox http://tr.im/mfoQ&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Have emailed google for a week without any responses.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If google docs team is reading this. Google spreadsheets forms have been having chinese characters display issue under Safari and I.E. since a week ago. just use Safari and I.E. to check this link to see the different compared to Firefox <a href="http://tr.im/mfoQ" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/mfoQ</a></p>

<p>Have emailed google for a week without any responses.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Venkatesh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-956797</link>
		<dc:creator>Venkatesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google Appengine is sort of alpha stages. I love the idea , but when you start developing , thats when you realize that its not worth it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First you have to get used to Appengine way of doing things in the hope that you will get unlimited scalability. That would add anthing between 30% to 50% additional development time. All is good if that provides you scalability. But scalability is iffy because you get penalized for every data write etc with &quot;warning, operaiton would soon exceed its quota&quot;.
Bulk data load is a joke. So forget it if you have loads of data to be uploaded. There is no relational DB, so you one&#039;s got to implement everything , right from count(*) et all.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is little , if any documentation about what would happen when your app would be brought down. There is no support help line. Just post to google group and pray that it will get looked by some one at Google.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All in all, if you are startup, stick to traditional web hosts for development or even amazon. Scalability issues is a good problem to have, because it means your apps are being atleast used.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With Google appenine and its restriction , one would end up launching late and launching a substandard product.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google Appengine is sort of alpha stages. I love the idea , but when you start developing , thats when you realize that its not worth it.</p>

<p>First you have to get used to Appengine way of doing things in the hope that you will get unlimited scalability. That would add anthing between 30% to 50% additional development time. All is good if that provides you scalability. But scalability is iffy because you get penalized for every data write etc with &#8220;warning, operaiton would soon exceed its quota&#8221;.
Bulk data load is a joke. So forget it if you have loads of data to be uploaded. There is no relational DB, so you one&#8217;s got to implement everything , right from count(*) et all.</p>

<p>There is little , if any documentation about what would happen when your app would be brought down. There is no support help line. Just post to google group and pray that it will get looked by some one at Google.</p>

<p>All in all, if you are startup, stick to traditional web hosts for development or even amazon. Scalability issues is a good problem to have, because it means your apps are being atleast used.</p>

<p>With Google appenine and its restriction , one would end up launching late and launching a substandard product.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Thyaga</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-956779</link>
		<dc:creator>Thyaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Now I understand why google stamps &#039;Beta&#039; on all their apps. They want to free-up their engineers from any customer support issues, to enable them to can focus on churning pet projects into Beta releases. Google makes money when they sell ads. This seem to me like their business model to create as many as beta apps against which they can sell their large inventory of ads.
Why shouldn&#039;t Microsoft envy Google ?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I understand why google stamps &#8216;Beta&#8217; on all their apps. They want to free-up their engineers from any customer support issues, to enable them to can focus on churning pet projects into Beta releases. Google makes money when they sell ads. This seem to me like their business model to create as many as beta apps against which they can sell their large inventory of ads.
Why shouldn&#8217;t Microsoft envy Google ?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bruce Simmons</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/07/02/googles-app-engine-is-sputtering/#comment-956776</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not surprised.  Are you?  Google has been a very aloof creature...  and they very well can be, but I think it&#039;s time they start to play in the same yard with everyone and actually communicate with the rest of us Earthly like folk!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not surprised.  Are you?  Google has been a very aloof creature&#8230;  and they very well can be, but I think it&#8217;s time they start to play in the same yard with everyone and actually communicate with the rest of us Earthly like folk!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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