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	<title>Comments on: Cisco&#039;s Chambers Sees the End of Business Machines</title>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a hard to integrate life and work on 2 devices for the employee and the employer. The employee doesn&#039;t want to carry 2 devices, wanting privacy and to seamlessly coherently juggle their time. The employer needs security, and control of their network.

For 6 years ago IS has CC&#039;d my work Email to a personal mailbox I use for work. Using CC when replying from the device to my desktop, Email can be put in sent mail. Better PDA phones have robust programs to edit and store attachments. Contacts can be mailed to and from a mobile device using outlook. With encryption programs personal &amp; company data like credit card numbers can be kept securely in the same place. My company phone forwards to my personal phone I turn off after work

Many executives at my company put shoe heel to Iphone saying &quot;this device is useless, give me back my Blackberry, Palm, or Q. Docs to Go just introduced for the Iphone is a crude product compared to a 3 year old Palm version. It is forever tethered to Itunes when many users would rather use a different player or service. The same is true for the Itouch I bought. Assuming it was like my old nano and would sync with something else was a big mistake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a hard to integrate life and work on 2 devices for the employee and the employer. The employee doesn&#8217;t want to carry 2 devices, wanting privacy and to seamlessly coherently juggle their time. The employer needs security, and control of their network.</p>
<p>For 6 years ago IS has CC&#8217;d my work Email to a personal mailbox I use for work. Using CC when replying from the device to my desktop, Email can be put in sent mail. Better PDA phones have robust programs to edit and store attachments. Contacts can be mailed to and from a mobile device using outlook. With encryption programs personal &amp; company data like credit card numbers can be kept securely in the same place. My company phone forwards to my personal phone I turn off after work</p>
<p>Many executives at my company put shoe heel to Iphone saying &#8220;this device is useless, give me back my Blackberry, Palm, or Q. Docs to Go just introduced for the Iphone is a crude product compared to a 3 year old Palm version. It is forever tethered to Itunes when many users would rather use a different player or service. The same is true for the Itouch I bought. Assuming it was like my old nano and would sync with something else was a big mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Latest business news - Diane Francis: Ecoflation &#8212; b &#124; eFreequency</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210274</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Latest business news - Diane Francis: Ecoflation &#8212; b &#124; eFreequency]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Cisco&#8217;s Chambers Sees the End of Business Machines [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Collaboration and SaaS</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210273</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Collaboration and SaaS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is especially true for smaller businesses. employees want to use devices they already own (iPhone) for business purposes. and now they can, thanks to SaaS solutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is especially true for smaller businesses. employees want to use devices they already own (iPhone) for business purposes. and now they can, thanks to SaaS solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210272</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have used a Palm and various models of cell phones for the past several years and find the two devices both manageable, easy to carry and contain all the info I wish to have available. The obsession, and I do mean obsession, with Blackberry devices is appalling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used a Palm and various models of cell phones for the past several years and find the two devices both manageable, easy to carry and contain all the info I wish to have available. The obsession, and I do mean obsession, with Blackberry devices is appalling.</p>
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		<title>By: When Being Rational Kills Your Business &#8211; Clayton Christensen &#171; I&#8217;m Not Actually a Geek</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[When Being Rational Kills Your Business &#8211; Clayton Christensen &#171; I&#8217;m Not Actually a Geek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Mini computers -&gt; PCs. Of course, they&#8217;ve jettisoned the PC business. I wonder if the next wave will be the mobile platforms emerging, like the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mini computers -&gt; PCs. Of course, they&#8217;ve jettisoned the PC business. I wonder if the next wave will be the mobile platforms emerging, like the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SaaS Will Accelerate The Convergence Of Consumerism With Enterprise &#124; CloudAve</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SaaS Will Accelerate The Convergence Of Consumerism With Enterprise &#124; CloudAve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] by Getty Images via DaylifeLast week Stacey Higginbotham wrote on GigaOm about how CISCO Chairman and CEO, John Chambers, sees an end to the idea of business machines. She [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by Getty Images via DaylifeLast week Stacey Higginbotham wrote on GigaOm about how CISCO Chairman and CEO, John Chambers, sees an end to the idea of business machines. She [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fazal Majid</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fazal Majid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 06:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;consumer hardware is now just as powerful and functional in many cases as the business hardware&quot;

You have it backward - business hardware is the one lagging behind consumer stuff, just like most non-executive company cars are drab compared to the ones people buy with their own money. This is simply because:
1) Apart from pampered executives, most corporate peons have to do with the cheapest equipment the company can get away with.
2) The people making the purchasing decisions are not the ones who will be using them, so user-centric features are prioritized last, far behind concerns like adhering to bureaucratic procedures or maximizing IT job security (i.e. using Windows)

Ten years ago when I wanted an ultra-thin laptop and few were available outside Japan, I got a Toshiba Portege that Toshiba would normally sell only to large businesses (not even small &amp; medium ones, let alone consumers).

Today, I told my Fortune 1000 company they can keep their mangy HP laptops and Blackberry phones and I&#039;d use my far superior MacBook Air and iPhone. Consumer-oriented Web 2.0 services are miles ahead in terms of usability or scalability than the outdated and usually horrendously unusable &quot;enterprise&quot; products. The Mac Pro I use at home is miles ahead of the substandard hardware we use at work.

A big part of Apple&#039;s success is due to the fact they deliberately turned their backs on the enterprise and the usual compromises it entails. Similarly, Linux and Open Source systems are far more secure, robust and efficient than corporate ones.

What is going to happen is that at some point enterprises will realize how their vendors and IT departments are conspiring to keep them behind the times. IT apps will be outsourced to the cloud wholesale, and employees be given laptop stipends to spend as they please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;consumer hardware is now just as powerful and functional in many cases as the business hardware&#8221;</p>
<p>You have it backward &#8211; business hardware is the one lagging behind consumer stuff, just like most non-executive company cars are drab compared to the ones people buy with their own money. This is simply because:<br />
1) Apart from pampered executives, most corporate peons have to do with the cheapest equipment the company can get away with.<br />
2) The people making the purchasing decisions are not the ones who will be using them, so user-centric features are prioritized last, far behind concerns like adhering to bureaucratic procedures or maximizing IT job security (i.e. using Windows)</p>
<p>Ten years ago when I wanted an ultra-thin laptop and few were available outside Japan, I got a Toshiba Portege that Toshiba would normally sell only to large businesses (not even small &amp; medium ones, let alone consumers).</p>
<p>Today, I told my Fortune 1000 company they can keep their mangy HP laptops and Blackberry phones and I&#8217;d use my far superior MacBook Air and iPhone. Consumer-oriented Web 2.0 services are miles ahead in terms of usability or scalability than the outdated and usually horrendously unusable &#8220;enterprise&#8221; products. The Mac Pro I use at home is miles ahead of the substandard hardware we use at work.</p>
<p>A big part of Apple&#8217;s success is due to the fact they deliberately turned their backs on the enterprise and the usual compromises it entails. Similarly, Linux and Open Source systems are far more secure, robust and efficient than corporate ones.</p>
<p>What is going to happen is that at some point enterprises will realize how their vendors and IT departments are conspiring to keep them behind the times. IT apps will be outsourced to the cloud wholesale, and employees be given laptop stipends to spend as they please.</p>
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		<title>By: Mobilefoneb</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210268</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mobilefoneb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 20:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jason: untrue.  As a Cisco employee, you can get a Bold, Curve, Storm, iPhone, multitude of Windows devices, Nokia E71s or an iPhone.  A couple of years ago, most people had moved to Nokia E61s.  Since then people have moved to all types of devices.

Most people have a Bold or Curve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason: untrue.  As a Cisco employee, you can get a Bold, Curve, Storm, iPhone, multitude of Windows devices, Nokia E71s or an iPhone.  A couple of years ago, most people had moved to Nokia E61s.  Since then people have moved to all types of devices.</p>
<p>Most people have a Bold or Curve.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Lackey</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210267</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Lackey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 18:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ram - just about any smartphone will let you do pop3/imap4 and Windows Mobile, iPhone and Symbian at the very least will get you access to Exchange.

@Kumar - I am told that Cisco is pretty firm about which phones employees can use, I think that some users of certain wifi voip services are limited to Nokia E71 and some other device.

As much as I hate prattling on about the iPhone, it certainly did help tear down the wall between enterprise and personal, or at least poke some big, corner office size holes in that wall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ram &#8211; just about any smartphone will let you do pop3/imap4 and Windows Mobile, iPhone and Symbian at the very least will get you access to Exchange.</p>
<p>@Kumar &#8211; I am told that Cisco is pretty firm about which phones employees can use, I think that some users of certain wifi voip services are limited to Nokia E71 and some other device.</p>
<p>As much as I hate prattling on about the iPhone, it certainly did help tear down the wall between enterprise and personal, or at least poke some big, corner office size holes in that wall.</p>
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		<title>By: Uday Subbarayan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210266</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uday Subbarayan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that this is a hard problem to solve even with separate systems for work &amp; personal use. Thanks to VPN &amp; proliferation of broadband, it&#039;s &quot;data everywhere&quot; now. It&#039;s travels with people. It doesn&#039;t stick inside the corporate wall any more...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this is a hard problem to solve even with separate systems for work &amp; personal use. Thanks to VPN &amp; proliferation of broadband, it&#8217;s &#8220;data everywhere&#8221; now. It&#8217;s travels with people. It doesn&#8217;t stick inside the corporate wall any more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kumar</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kumar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 16:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The funny part of all of this is that Cisco employees can&#039;t use web based email - the Cisco IT department doesn&#039;t support it, so for all the talk of device freedom, its just talk.  Maybe someday Cisco can walk the walk, not just let the Chambers talking head say whatever he feels like.  Want to have real fun- ask John if his employees actually use any of the 0 contribution margin voice-over-ip software he has been hyping over the years.  Another fun one- ask Cisco how many of their &#039;Advanced Technologies&#039; ever got to the vaunted goal of billion dollar markets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny part of all of this is that Cisco employees can&#8217;t use web based email &#8211; the Cisco IT department doesn&#8217;t support it, so for all the talk of device freedom, its just talk.  Maybe someday Cisco can walk the walk, not just let the Chambers talking head say whatever he feels like.  Want to have real fun- ask John if his employees actually use any of the 0 contribution margin voice-over-ip software he has been hyping over the years.  Another fun one- ask Cisco how many of their &#8216;Advanced Technologies&#8217; ever got to the vaunted goal of billion dollar markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 16:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, but how do we deal with security concerns?  Companies will still want to control data loss by controlling systems and who they can interact with.

Chambers&#039; mention of the Flip should be interpreted as, &quot;Don&#039;t believe anything I say.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but how do we deal with security concerns?  Companies will still want to control data loss by controlling systems and who they can interact with.</p>
<p>Chambers&#8217; mention of the Flip should be interpreted as, &#8220;Don&#8217;t believe anything I say.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ram</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210263</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 16:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[iPhone lets you get enterprise email on the device, as well as personal.  Its cheaper for corporations due to the fact that they dont need to buy blackberry servers on top of exchange servers.  But most business users pefer blackberry productivity features.

More important - people don&#039;t want to conform to corporate communications policies that having one device would require.  Do you really want to entertain that next job using you work device? Or have use foul language in an sms to a friend (esp. if you&#039;re at a bank)?  Probably not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iPhone lets you get enterprise email on the device, as well as personal.  Its cheaper for corporations due to the fact that they dont need to buy blackberry servers on top of exchange servers.  But most business users pefer blackberry productivity features.</p>
<p>More important &#8211; people don&#8217;t want to conform to corporate communications policies that having one device would require.  Do you really want to entertain that next job using you work device? Or have use foul language in an sms to a friend (esp. if you&#8217;re at a bank)?  Probably not.</p>
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		<title>By: dannyman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210262</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dannyman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 16:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uhm, if your work place requires you to carry their gadget around, why not just leave it at work?  I actually returned my work-issued gadget, and I feel no loss at my inability to access work e-mail from my mobile device. :)

-danny]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm, if your work place requires you to carry their gadget around, why not just leave it at work?  I actually returned my work-issued gadget, and I feel no loss at my inability to access work e-mail from my mobile device. :)</p>
<p>-danny</p>
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		<title>By: Uday Subbarayan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210261</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uday Subbarayan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 16:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree and I see a need. So, how do we solve this problem?

One possible solution is a laptop with following config,

Hardware --- Virtualization --2 Sw Head, one points to business cloud for storage and other points to personal cloud of choice for storage.

Uday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and I see a need. So, how do we solve this problem?</p>
<p>One possible solution is a laptop with following config,</p>
<p>Hardware &#8212; Virtualization &#8211;2 Sw Head, one points to business cloud for storage and other points to personal cloud of choice for storage.</p>
<p>Uday.</p>
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		<title>By: ns</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/05/07/ciscos-chambers-sees-the-end-of-business-machines/#comment-210260</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ns]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem comes of course for some industries, notably finance, where the employer has regulatory obligations to monitor communications made &#039;using firm devices&#039;. For some employees that extends further - Traders for instance are generally banned from using personal devices for fear of market manipulation. Trading firms generally implement blanket bans across whole classes of web based applications (mail, web based office, forums etc.) and actively monitor others. yes they are often throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but the reputational risk is perceived as high.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem comes of course for some industries, notably finance, where the employer has regulatory obligations to monitor communications made &#8216;using firm devices&#8217;. For some employees that extends further &#8211; Traders for instance are generally banned from using personal devices for fear of market manipulation. Trading firms generally implement blanket bans across whole classes of web based applications (mail, web based office, forums etc.) and actively monitor others. yes they are often throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but the reputational risk is perceived as high.</p>
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