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	<title>Comments on: Why We Don&#039;t Believe Rumors of an Apple/Verizon Love Child</title>
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		<title>By: free online virtual worlds</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/28/why-we-dont-believe-rumors-of-an-appleverizon-love-child/#comment-209401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[free online virtual worlds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahh it keeps us anticipating. Now that this post makes sense its kinda disappointing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh it keeps us anticipating. Now that this post makes sense its kinda disappointing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mehul Jain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mehul Jain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[very true. Its funny how all these rumors start with &quot;people familiar with the matter&quot;...i love this line..all it takes to start a rumor is...&quot;people familiar with the matter&quot;! :)

I don&#039;t know if the media pad makes a lot of sense, but nevertheless It&#039;ll be very interesting to see what apple actually launches on June 8th...specially now that palm will try &amp; steel the thunder on June 7th!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very true. Its funny how all these rumors start with &#8220;people familiar with the matter&#8221;&#8230;i love this line..all it takes to start a rumor is&#8230;&#8221;people familiar with the matter&#8221;! :)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the media pad makes a lot of sense, but nevertheless It&#8217;ll be very interesting to see what apple actually launches on June 8th&#8230;specially now that palm will try &amp; steel the thunder on June 7th!</p>
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		<title>By: DailyWireless &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wednesday Links: iPhone Lite? App Store Hits 1 Billion, Palm Pre</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/28/why-we-dont-believe-rumors-of-an-appleverizon-love-child/#comment-209399</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DailyWireless &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wednesday Links: iPhone Lite? App Store Hits 1 Billion, Palm Pre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Gigaom doesn&#8217;t believe the rumors of Verizon and Apple working together on an iPhone-lite project. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Why We Don’t Believe Rumors of an Apple/Verizon Love Child [Voices] True HelloWorld Story</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/28/why-we-dont-believe-rumors-of-an-appleverizon-love-child/#comment-209398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; Why We Don’t Believe Rumors of an Apple/Verizon Love Child [Voices] True HelloWorld Story]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/28/why-we-dont-believe-rumors-of-an-appleverizon-love-child/#comment-209397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[why not release a tethering device that allows ipod touch and other apple products to attach to the ip world via verizon? a sort of ulta portable CDMA wifi router locked to apple products?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why not release a tethering device that allows ipod touch and other apple products to attach to the ip world via verizon? a sort of ulta portable CDMA wifi router locked to apple products?</p>
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		<title>By: Christina Viering</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/28/why-we-dont-believe-rumors-of-an-appleverizon-love-child/#comment-209396</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christina Viering]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to have the choice of more Apple software based phones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to have the choice of more Apple software based phones.</p>
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		<title>By: vinnie mirchandani</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/28/why-we-dont-believe-rumors-of-an-appleverizon-love-child/#comment-209395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vinnie mirchandani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Verizon started rolling out 3G in 2001 and even today major parts of the country still do not have it. It&#039;s better than ATT, but there are major coverage gaps. Even if LTE rollout is quicker (hard to believe given capex constraints in this economy), LTE will still not have major metro coverage till 2012 at earliest...so Apple may be thinking ahead.

Short term, I hope it extends with ATT but on terms friendlier to consumers...see

http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2009/04/now-that-apple-is-no-longer-the-junior-partner.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Verizon started rolling out 3G in 2001 and even today major parts of the country still do not have it. It&#8217;s better than ATT, but there are major coverage gaps. Even if LTE rollout is quicker (hard to believe given capex constraints in this economy), LTE will still not have major metro coverage till 2012 at earliest&#8230;so Apple may be thinking ahead.</p>
<p>Short term, I hope it extends with ATT but on terms friendlier to consumers&#8230;see</p>
<p><a href="http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2009/04/now-that-apple-is-no-longer-the-junior-partner.html" rel="nofollow">http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2009/04/now-that-apple-is-no-longer-the-junior-partner.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Why We Don&#8217;t Believe Rumors of an Apple/Verizon Love Child &#124; Stacey Higginbotham &#124; Voices &#124; AllThingsD</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/28/why-we-dont-believe-rumors-of-an-appleverizon-love-child/#comment-209394</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why We Don&#8217;t Believe Rumors of an Apple/Verizon Love Child &#124; Stacey Higginbotham &#124; Voices &#124; AllThingsD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Read the rest of this post on the original site     Tagged: Apple, Voices, hardware, software, telecom, AT&amp;T, BusinessWeek, exclusive, GigaOm, iPhone, iPhone-lite, media pad, Stacey Higginbotham, Verizon &#124; permalink    Sphere.Inline.search(&quot;&quot;, &quot;http://voices.allthingsd.com/20090429/why-we-dont-believe-rumors-of-an-appleverizon-love-child/&quot;);      &#171; Previous Post Next Post &#187; [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Krishna Baidya</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/28/why-we-dont-believe-rumors-of-an-appleverizon-love-child/#comment-209393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Krishna Baidya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[good argument &amp; counter ones as well.
in my opinion:
a CDMA version for china makes sense as it still offers a sub base greater than 27mil .... and if  thaz in the road map then it may be pushed to other CDMA operators as well. however, i totally agree that this may be just enhancing apple&#039;s bargaining power with AT&amp;T.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good argument &amp; counter ones as well.<br />
in my opinion:<br />
a CDMA version for china makes sense as it still offers a sub base greater than 27mil &#8230;. and if  thaz in the road map then it may be pushed to other CDMA operators as well. however, i totally agree that this may be just enhancing apple&#8217;s bargaining power with AT&amp;T.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken the tech</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/28/why-we-dont-believe-rumors-of-an-appleverizon-love-child/#comment-209392</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken the tech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only ones loosing in this war between companies are the costumers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only ones loosing in this war between companies are the costumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Fleckhiemer</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/28/why-we-dont-believe-rumors-of-an-appleverizon-love-child/#comment-209391</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jerry Fleckhiemer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The author is solid on his interpretation.  May of you may lack the business acumen to interpret Apple&#039;s position and Verizon&#039;s position.

&gt; Verizon Doesn’t Share
The author is correct and there is no reason for Verizon with its 80M subs to start now for the sake of one phone.  That is the reason the shot it down the first time.  Remember Verizon had first dibs on the iPhone.  Verizon has more options than you can imagine.  Have you checked their Q1 numbers?  And, who cares about an app store… definitely not AT&amp;T since they get their money up front thru a contract, remember.  If people use any carriers medium they get a cut, whether its texts or any content.  This is a very common practice with makes your point moot.

&gt; Apple Doesn’t Stip Down
The price changed because of subsidies, period.  iPhone 3G is a far more advanced device the 2G variety.  AT&amp;T started subsidizing the device like they do all the others per a 2 year contract.

&gt; Legal Issues
Have you ever thought why it took so long for Apple to enter the phone market?  AT&amp;T are bigger a—holes.  If this iPhone-Lite happens there will be many lawsuits, remember Cisco sued Apple and AT&amp;T or the name of the phone.

&gt; Verizon and Wi-Fi VoIP Are Like Oil and Water
Verizon was the first carrier to implement data caps…  5Gb, which could be a small amount if you add a netbook and VoIP to the mix.  It doesn’t make sense to go against “normal business practices” to control bandwidth.  Wait for the new FCC chair and check out the front row seat of the “Net Neutrality” opponent’s bench.

&gt; Lousy Timing
Margins are the answer to your question about why they will not launch two different iPhones.  Confusion in the market place because the Verizon version would be a VoIP flavor that will require a change in user experience.

My thoughts:  VoIP has not been completely adopted by telecom any where in this world as of today.  The hardcore does not trust it because reliability and quality of service can not be guaranteed in an IP environment; these are facts about IP as it stands today.  Some, IT folk, may argue that IP has come a long way but it is not a dedicated channel that can be statically allocated, managed, and provisioned.  IP is a “Best Effort” service and protocol, period.  That has not and will not change because it goes against the very nature of the history and progression of IP.  The only way to supplement these conflicting ideas is bandwidth and with EPON, GPON, and BPON fiber technologies, they are being addressed in the telecom world, but you will pay for it because it is brand spanking new.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author is solid on his interpretation.  May of you may lack the business acumen to interpret Apple&#8217;s position and Verizon&#8217;s position.</p>
<p>&gt; Verizon Doesn’t Share<br />
The author is correct and there is no reason for Verizon with its 80M subs to start now for the sake of one phone.  That is the reason the shot it down the first time.  Remember Verizon had first dibs on the iPhone.  Verizon has more options than you can imagine.  Have you checked their Q1 numbers?  And, who cares about an app store… definitely not AT&amp;T since they get their money up front thru a contract, remember.  If people use any carriers medium they get a cut, whether its texts or any content.  This is a very common practice with makes your point moot.</p>
<p>&gt; Apple Doesn’t Stip Down<br />
The price changed because of subsidies, period.  iPhone 3G is a far more advanced device the 2G variety.  AT&amp;T started subsidizing the device like they do all the others per a 2 year contract.</p>
<p>&gt; Legal Issues<br />
Have you ever thought why it took so long for Apple to enter the phone market?  AT&amp;T are bigger a—holes.  If this iPhone-Lite happens there will be many lawsuits, remember Cisco sued Apple and AT&amp;T or the name of the phone.</p>
<p>&gt; Verizon and Wi-Fi VoIP Are Like Oil and Water<br />
Verizon was the first carrier to implement data caps…  5Gb, which could be a small amount if you add a netbook and VoIP to the mix.  It doesn’t make sense to go against “normal business practices” to control bandwidth.  Wait for the new FCC chair and check out the front row seat of the “Net Neutrality” opponent’s bench.</p>
<p>&gt; Lousy Timing<br />
Margins are the answer to your question about why they will not launch two different iPhones.  Confusion in the market place because the Verizon version would be a VoIP flavor that will require a change in user experience.</p>
<p>My thoughts:  VoIP has not been completely adopted by telecom any where in this world as of today.  The hardcore does not trust it because reliability and quality of service can not be guaranteed in an IP environment; these are facts about IP as it stands today.  Some, IT folk, may argue that IP has come a long way but it is not a dedicated channel that can be statically allocated, managed, and provisioned.  IP is a “Best Effort” service and protocol, period.  That has not and will not change because it goes against the very nature of the history and progression of IP.  The only way to supplement these conflicting ideas is bandwidth and with EPON, GPON, and BPON fiber technologies, they are being addressed in the telecom world, but you will pay for it because it is brand spanking new.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You and Om make excellent points and some of my colleagues share the same opinion.  But, lets just play Devil&#039;s advocate...

Lousy Timing Part I:
Potentially you could have it perfectly backwards.  From a financial perspective, Apple would be way more excited about making the announcement that the iPhone is available to 80 million Verizon subscribers.  How many more phones will Apple sell when they introduce a new thinner/faster/longer-battery-life iPhone to only AT&amp;T customers?  Just the same,at the end of the day, Apple&#039;s fiduciary duty is to its shareholders.

Lousy Timing Part II:
Qualcomm is desperate to sell CDMA technology and Verizon&#039;s subscribers are desperate to buy iPhones.  LTE will be very slow to roll out in the US.  Wait to make the LTE argument until we get the first trial LTE network in the US.  Apple can sell every interested Verizon customer an iPhone with a CDMA radio now and again with an LTE radio a few years from now.

Verizon and WiFi VoIP are Like Oil and Water:
Apple iPhones will be easier to control than Android phones.  There is likely a growing sense of urgency for Apple to get phones on other carrier&#039;s networks.The other cell manufacturers are leveraging the exclusivity agreement between Apple and AT&amp;T which is evident by the number of Android-based, iPhone-like phones in the pipeline.  Apple does not want to fumble at this stage in the game.

Legal Issues:
Nobody knows the details...

Apple Doesn&#039;t Strip Down:
True, but Businessweek&#039;s assumption is baseless.  Nobody knows the details of the exclusivity agreement and how Apple will avoid lawsuits with AT&amp;T.  It isn&#039;t appropriate to assume anything about form factor since we don&#039;t know the details of the exclusivity agreement.  However, they could surely surprise us.

Verizon Doesn&#039;t Share:
The times have changed.  The demand for WiFi enabled phones has skyrocketed.  While Verizon will hold onto its closed network as long as it can to protect profitability, at some point it will start losing subscribers as people tire of Verizon&#039;s selection.  This will surely happen in the transition by AT&amp;T and Verizon to LTE.   It is much safer for Verizon to test business models with a very profitable/controllable Apple iPhone than the Android-based models.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and Om make excellent points and some of my colleagues share the same opinion.  But, lets just play Devil&#8217;s advocate&#8230;</p>
<p>Lousy Timing Part I:<br />
Potentially you could have it perfectly backwards.  From a financial perspective, Apple would be way more excited about making the announcement that the iPhone is available to 80 million Verizon subscribers.  How many more phones will Apple sell when they introduce a new thinner/faster/longer-battery-life iPhone to only AT&amp;T customers?  Just the same,at the end of the day, Apple&#8217;s fiduciary duty is to its shareholders.</p>
<p>Lousy Timing Part II:<br />
Qualcomm is desperate to sell CDMA technology and Verizon&#8217;s subscribers are desperate to buy iPhones.  LTE will be very slow to roll out in the US.  Wait to make the LTE argument until we get the first trial LTE network in the US.  Apple can sell every interested Verizon customer an iPhone with a CDMA radio now and again with an LTE radio a few years from now.</p>
<p>Verizon and WiFi VoIP are Like Oil and Water:<br />
Apple iPhones will be easier to control than Android phones.  There is likely a growing sense of urgency for Apple to get phones on other carrier&#8217;s networks.The other cell manufacturers are leveraging the exclusivity agreement between Apple and AT&amp;T which is evident by the number of Android-based, iPhone-like phones in the pipeline.  Apple does not want to fumble at this stage in the game.</p>
<p>Legal Issues:<br />
Nobody knows the details&#8230;</p>
<p>Apple Doesn&#8217;t Strip Down:<br />
True, but Businessweek&#8217;s assumption is baseless.  Nobody knows the details of the exclusivity agreement and how Apple will avoid lawsuits with AT&amp;T.  It isn&#8217;t appropriate to assume anything about form factor since we don&#8217;t know the details of the exclusivity agreement.  However, they could surely surprise us.</p>
<p>Verizon Doesn&#8217;t Share:<br />
The times have changed.  The demand for WiFi enabled phones has skyrocketed.  While Verizon will hold onto its closed network as long as it can to protect profitability, at some point it will start losing subscribers as people tire of Verizon&#8217;s selection.  This will surely happen in the transition by AT&amp;T and Verizon to LTE.   It is much safer for Verizon to test business models with a very profitable/controllable Apple iPhone than the Android-based models.</p>
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		<title>By: austinandrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[austinandrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;legitimate publications&quot;?

huh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;legitimate publications&#8221;?</p>
<p>huh.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems the Wall Street Journal says Microsoft is in discussions with Verizon Wireless as well:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124093915558664239.html

I don&#039;t think Apple would play in the same &quot;new toy sandbox&quot; with Microsoft. Something is afoul in
one of these reported stories.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems the Wall Street Journal says Microsoft is in discussions with Verizon Wireless as well:</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124093915558664239.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124093915558664239.html</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Apple would play in the same &#8220;new toy sandbox&#8221; with Microsoft. Something is afoul in<br />
one of these reported stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s great if Verizon allows downloads from appworld on the Blackberry.  I heard otherwise, so thanks for correcting me if that&#039;s true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s great if Verizon allows downloads from appworld on the Blackberry.  I heard otherwise, so thanks for correcting me if that&#8217;s true.</p>
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		<title>By: Gadget Sleuth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gadget Sleuth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Legitimate publications are starting to report this now, so there probably is something to it, though lord knows what exactly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legitimate publications are starting to report this now, so there probably is something to it, though lord knows what exactly.</p>
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