Comments on: Apple To Verizon: Can I Hear LTE Now?

By: Bob

Bob — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:01:04 +0000

Why in the world would anybody want an I-Phone from Verizon. They are already talking about doing away with their 5GB allowance and downgrading it to MB. So lets see, everytime that I try to get on their slow internet service, I am going to be charged for having to wait for a page to open, not to mention what ever I download. Verizon is getting ridiculous in their pricing, (HELLO), people do not have money to throw away, and neither do I. If they raise their internet prices I'm gone.

By: Pinoy Tutorial

Pinoy Tutorial — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:55:17 +0000

We all know that AT&T service is now on a plummet but we also need to settle the facts first and see the side of AT&.

Updates: ATT had recently released a statement why they are suing Verizon. May the “there’s a misinterpretaion for that that” image help you to understand better why AT&T is having a boiling-point over the matter.

detailed sources: http://bit.ly/ATT-VS-VERIZON-Theres-a-misinterpretation-for-that

Hint: The conflict is about not including AT&T’s Zedge 2.5G on the picture :D

Flame-on!

By: stomps

stomps — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:11:41 +0000

I used to work for a handset manufacturer and I think a lot of this talk is garbage. LTE is going to start as a data only service. The reason is the back haul…..If you cannot support the increase in data through the ground at an IP transport level, what makes you think that VOIP is going to be deployed when LTE is initially released? As SAE is implemented(back haul) the capacity for VOIP will become a reality…..This is several years and BILLIONS OF DOLLARS away….
The answer regarding HSPDA and EVDO REVA is simple. HSDPA has higher peak rates than EVDO REVA given that proper TCP IP setting are utilized. The differentiation here is the footprint expressed for 3G services by Verizon and AT&T. Verizon has 5 times more coverage of 3G then AT&T currently. So naturally, you would expect that your average data throughput would be better if you are a truly a mobile user and not a sitter.
Apple and its IPhone deployment is only a matter of systems integration and not real core R&D. That what the chipset manufacturers are there for along with protocol stack providers. You are combining everyone’s technology into a single product…Hence, integration is what they are really doing. The only creativity that’s involved is the packaging, U.I./G.U.I., and interfaces created to mitigate cross technology interoperability. I challenge anyone to crack open an I-Phone and actually see an APPLE CHIPSET! Samsung, Arm, Toshiba, Broadcom, Infineon, and countless others come to mind regarding core technology components.
In any regard, the business guy is correct. Implementing the product design for verizon should take about 6-12 months depending upon how well they know and adhere to the device submission process for verizon. anyways, got to go.

By: 2guys1blog

2guys1blog — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:03:15 +0000

LTE can’t be the ONLY standard in the industry. It won’t EVER be. No one data standard can be the only available standard at any one time because not every area will support the standard. Duh.

By: Dude

Dude — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:42:35 +0000

LTE is just a network standard for data. Eventually, consumers that have a SIM card for voice and data, will be able to insert that SIM into a VZW device and use that device on Vzw’s network. Won’t be GSM or CDMA. LTE will be the new standard. Watch out AT&T and Sprint. Verizon’s got backing from Vodafone and DT. You’re all wrong…:)

By: Yeap

Yeap — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:03:17 +0000

Actually your all wrong… LTE is voice and data. Voice will run like VOIP (IMS). Hence, the ability for all networks to be on LTE and make calls. Why would this just be data? Your all wrong. CDMA will remain for Verizon but LTE will be more of a VOIP approach. If i am wrong, can someone please explain to me why voice would not be included? Why would all networks merge just data with LTE? Voice will roll out through LTE like RAJ says but when it launches i am sure LTE devices will be IMS 100% and previous devices will be cdma. I also think CDMA rev a will still be going on for a while. LTE means 100% new network for VOICE & DATA. LTE Devices should be running 100% on the service.

By: kirk

kirk — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:54:55 +0000

Yes it is true that VZs EVDO network is much better than ATT’s UMTS network, both in speed and good through put, but most of ATTs issues are caused by the usage rate, and the primarly reason is the iPhone.

However, the reason you will not see Apple offering a CDMA iPhone is due to the exclusivity with ATT. Apple is building a huge residual tail and that cash stream would go away if they were to terminate the exclusivity. The other reason is the market for CDMA is small, and limited from a time perspecitve. Apple could invest in CDMA, provide to say 25% of the 80M CDMA customers, but they would lose more money from ATT in the process due to the termination of the residuals from ATT. Furthermore, if they did bring on the CDMA version VZ would be forced to deploy more EVDO radios or move to revB, which would represent investment in old technology.

VZ is looking to move to LTE, and wanting to lead. Doing so gets them free from being the only CDMA firm in the world and allows them to benefit from the comodization of LTE just as their competitors have benefited from GSM/UMTS commoditizaation. VZ appears to be pushing the LTE introduction up and will be data only to start. This hopefully will permit a device with apple, such as the rumored tablet. The market for such a device would be someone that likes the iPhone conept but wants a seperate, small phone, and a seperate larger screen as their computer.

By: Bernie

Bernie — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:13:31 +0000

Ok…I have a degree in Business, a degree in Business Information Systems, and a Master’s Degree in Network and Telecommunications Management. The question here is why wouldn’t Apple roll out a CDMA for America’s largest network? The only reason Apple went with ATT in the first place is because 1…Verizon said NO to the Iphone initially because they wanted too much freedom with the handset and apps and 2…ATT had the largest network in America at the time…not to mention ATT uses GSM which is widely used around the globe. Back to my point…CDMA is a superior technology than GSM on a bad day. The data is better and the QoS is better. How can you even say they would not roll it out on Verizon’s 3G network whish is faster than ATT’s will EVER BE!!! It is just good business to add 80 million possible customers to your product line…who in the hell wouldn’t do that? Somebody please explain this to me???

By: megan

megan — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:25:56 +0000

A cdma-based iPhone is very possible with the release of the r-uim card (a removable id chip for cdma phones… kind of like a sim card for the gsm phone) in the American market. Said card has been used in China, India, Japan, etc. since 2002 on their cdma networks (which is why they get to use the nifty little iPhone and we Americans do not).
An r-uim card is interchangeable with a sim card, so the same iPhone my friend Billy used on AT&T, I could technically use with Verizon.
Verizon recently announced that they will be using “smart cards” developed by G&D (the company to develop to first sim card more than 20yrs ago) with their new lte network, which makes me think that maybe this “smart card” might be something completely new, with the new “big 3″ capabilities (until lte takes off of course)? cdma, gsm, and lte?
The r-uim could be a stepping stone into the new “smart card” for Verizon to get people to buy a new phone for the lte network that is supposed to be launched in a couple of cities by the end of this year and up to 210 by 2012. Let’s be honest for about 30 seconds here. Who wouldn’t buy an iPhone on Verizon? I can smell the signing of new contracts already.

By: Cell U Lar

Cell U Lar — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:24:46 +0000

Verizon is not running 1x for data, they are at Rev.A and Alltel is now up to Rev.A as well. (Verizon/Alltel)
GSM is nice but it’s still based on TDMA.

When Apple was looking for a carrier they approached Verizon first and Verizon said no.
Look at the limitations Apple put on AT&T.
If Verizon does get an iPhone it will be better because AT&T ‘bled’ the way and the bugs should be worked out now.

By: Carl

Carl — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:52:34 +0000

EV-DO doesn’t do voice, but HSPA does.

By: avremele

avremele — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:20:06 +0000

wrong. 50 bucks is only to use tethering. they charge the same 30.

By: ajain

ajain — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:44:58 +0000

Disagree with Om’s argument that, “spend development dollars on a protocol with the limited future wouldn’t make sense”.
1. Phone vendors do not do much protocol development. To add CDMA, Apple would have buy the appropriate CDMA handset ASIC from Qualcomm and use it instead of the Infineon UMTS chip they are using. This is the reason why other smartphone companies like RIM and Palm (with volume comparable to iPhones) have devices that work on GSM, CDMA and UMTS.
2. Most devices have a lifespan of 6-12 months. Apple’s iPhone 3G is at the top end, around 12 months. Since Vz’s CDMA network going to be around till the middle of the next decade, if not longer, Apple can easily recoup any investment.
3. Finally, if the development is expensive, and the Qualcomm CDMA chip costs more than their current UMTS chip, Apple and Verizon can handle the price difference through commercial terms. Since most CDMA devices cost a little more than equivalent UMTS devices, Verizon _might_ be OK putting in a higher subsidy.

By: Krishna Baidya

Krishna Baidya — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:48:44 +0000

some updates on CDMA future in India:

Reliance Infocomm, which holds 57.51% of CDMA sub base in India, launched GSM services in Dec 2008 with initial coverage of 11,000 towns and 340,000 (~45% of its current subscriber base). By January 2009, the operator has completed most of the capital spending on it’s second network and has spent $2.1 billion.

Tata Teleservices, the other leading CDMA mobile operator (holds about 35% of CDMA sub base), recently announced it will invest $2 billion to roll out services through the other technology, GSM.

BTW, There are 258.23 million GSM subscribers India constituting 74.44% of the mobile subscriber base by the end of 2008 and forecasted to capture more than 80% within next 5 yrs.

By: Q dub

Q dub — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:29:54 +0000

Great point Charlie. And this wouldn’t be Apple’s first CDMA phone, the iPhone in Japan is essentially a CDMA phone…so clearly they’re their willing to fork the hardware for a big enough market.

By: Paul Allen

Paul Allen — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:19:13 +0000

“Around the world, the CDMA ecosystem is slowly but surely contracting”

Gracious! You’re missing China and India expanding. China Netcom just rolled out EV-DO to a bunch of cities!
More NMT networks are going cdma-450 if their governments don’t intervene (Sweden)!