In India, WebMail Has To Come From Local Servers

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Google (s GOOG), if it wants to offer its Gmail service to Indian nationals, will soon have to set up servers locally in India and offer email addresses ending in dot-in (.in). Same holds true for Microsoft’s (s msft) HotMail, Yahoo Mail (s yhoo), Rediff and every other web service that wants to do business in India. These changes are being mandatory because of recent amendments in the country’s IT Act. Government officials are using the Mumbai terror attacks and identity theft cases to push through these baffling changes in the IT Act. Stay tuned for more on this developing story. I wonder if more countries will follow suit, leading to the balkanization of web services. Any thoughts, folks?

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Naavi

The report does not appear to be completely correct. Please wait for proper report.

There could be a preference for local servers and also to seek cooperation of intermediaries in collecting information where required for criminal investigations. Part of the report which suggests that .in names are to be forced is not true.

More detailed comment is available at http://www.naavi.org/cl_editorial_09/edit_april_08_ita_2008_toi.htm

bob

yeah the US Govt also claims to be able to spy up on any communication to/from non-us citizens if it passes thru servers in the US.
Now India want to be able to do the same.

Faisal

Hi Om,

I had suggested something different on this issue in my earlier blog. The crux of the idea is to register email ids against an e-visa or e-passport to be issued by a third party vendor only after getting a valid photo ID from the person registering. This will make the process lengthy but will surely secure the email.

Anand

LOL..It can’t happen..Anyway, a government change is just a month away, and these things will die down..

aki narula

Absurd! Are you able to control mobile SIM cards this way? Common person suffers. Terrorists still strike. And worst Media shows images of TOP COPS killed and their preparations to attack. Policing new technology is not the way. Best they should have asked a pool of best tech minds to build better monitoring services.

From, Indian babus:) and politicians, God save my India.

Gailu

I am a in software development industry for last 10 years and I don’t care about technology progress untill India can feed all Indians first.

Senthil Nathan

Well, technology progress is one of many ways to feed more Indians. See for example technology is feeding me and many others here. I am not sure I would have got my first job easily if IT industry is non-existent in India. So IMHO we should care about all sort of progress including technology progress if we are to feed more Indians and lift them out of poverty.

| Balu |

Good in a way.. I will be able to access my gmail even if some under-sea cable snaps! Anti-privacy is another issue altogether, apart from that it’s just good for Indian net users

| Balu |

Good in a way.. I will be able to access my gmail even if some under-sea cable snaps! Anti-privacy is another issue altogether, apart from that it’s just good for Indian net users

Vinod Jain

illogical Move! Or may be a logical move to make these big giants Google, Yahoo, MSN to invest in development of world standards Data centres in India.

Etherealmind

Is this protectionism in disguise ? It would be typical government behavior to use National Security concerns to create jobs, employment and skills in the local economy by forcing global companies to invest locally.

For example, the American Actor Guild ensures that theatre shows must use American actors even when running in Australia, UK or wherever. This occurs even when the show is adapted for the local market.

China’s government continues to demand majority ownership by Chinese citizens in almost every company in the country.

Why is this any different from that ? And why is this unacceptable ? Data centres can be anywhere, why not India ?

Partho

In case you don’t know, or didn’t care to know, China is a communist state, while India is not. It is a liberal democracy, or atleast makes an attempt at that, never mind the results. What China can do is irrelevant to what can and should be done in India.

Dempsey

But that doesn’t change the fact that any country can be protectionist, and every country does it at some level or another.

Sidharth

Another illogical and foolish move by people who do not understand anything about the internet. The draft of the law was probably typed on a 20 year old typewriter and corrections made by applying white ink. Morons is the word that comes to mind when we hear these things.

free online virtual worlds

I guess they just have this idea that as long as they have everything IN their country and WITHIN their means its naturally safer and better, and everything else doesn’t matter, probably also because they don’t completely understand how it really works. But then again, even if it IS “more” within their means to monitor and control, somehow it seems like they usually end up not really doing it.

So it seems like similar to the railway station and its metal detectors Senthil Nathan mentioned, its probably just a show that they’re doing something to be tight with security and all but in actual fact its redundant actions.

shyam

Good luck catching ’em terrorists with that move. Unless they can force users to use only certain domains and service providers to do email in India, this would have zero effect.

Madan Menon

logically speaking – having servers hosted in India can actually speed things up because your latency will come down from 350-400 ms to about 100 odd ms. which (theoretically) should be faster.

What is the real rational behind this – is the question.

Madan Menon

logically speaking – having servers hosted in India can actually speed things up because your latency will come down from 350-400 ms to about 100 odd ms. which (theoretically) should be faster.

What is the real rational behind this – is the question.

Prateek

Leave it up to the babus to come up with the most stupid solution to the most serious problems.

Arvind

I really don’t know how this can be implemented well. Consider as someone just mentioned – IP address used to determine your location – its possible to change it (consider VPN, etc)

Maybe an effective solution will emerge .. lets wait and watch.

gp

I wonder why google websites like gmail , google serach , google pages have suddenly become so SLOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW in india , so much some of friends have switched yahoo atleast for searches which is very fast……….are google Indian data centres bandwidth starved ………..

gp

net /power infrastructure is pathetic in india and who needs a “.in” domain ?

icicihf

I agree.

Power cuts even today (Upto 3-4 hrs in cities … imagine in towns/villages) and net speeds still < 1MBps (Shared & Overloaded) ….really sucks

Senthil Nathan

I do not know how this is going to help the government. I have the same questions raised by Nikhil. It will inflict more suffering for Indian users because servers in India will face more downtime and reliability issues. This shows that Congress doesn’t have one single person who understands IT. Not long ago they banned blogspot.com domain name because somebody posted some nonsense on his personal blog on blogspot. Absurd. I am hearing that BJP is more IT savvy than congress government. Advani claims to be so. They have installed servers in all their regional offices. They are also leading the way with big budgets for banner ads on premium sites.

These kind of stupidity is common in India. Last week I entered a railway station through a main entrance which was heavily guarded with metal detectors and luggage scanners. Then when I walked to a next platform I saw people freely moving in and out through a unguarded side entrance. Objective here is to show some stupid officer or stupid politician that some action is being taken. Results does not matter.

Do not be surprised if some idiot in this government comes with idea like all ISP’s should block websites which are not hosted in India. They may even ask wemasters to license the web domains with a separate redtape entrenched department for this. As long as these babus rule the country it will never become a “developed” country.

Manish J.

Senthil,

Sorry to go off topic, but yes the whole security issue in India is window dressing!

I took a look at the BJP and Congress Manifesto’s and one of biggest issues for both parties is how to feed people. The solution:

BJP – Allow each family up to 35 kg of rice/wheat at Rs 2/kg
Congress – Allow each family up to 25 kg of rice/wheat at Rs 3/kg

Yes, food is their biggest selling issue when going to the voters. Poverty is a hugh issue and sadly our technology issues really don’t matter when put to elections.

leedrake

It’s not irrational if they want to be able to control and monitor communications. It may be nefarious, anti-privacy, etc. But not irrational.

Nikhil Narayanan

Om,
AFAIK Yahoo! has been using country specific domain names for quite sometime,but it can be bypassed by giving the US as location and a random US Zip code.
So, what is the whole point of this exercise?
Assuming IP is detected and ‘location’ can not be changed while an ID is created,what if the terrorists(who attack India) have their ids created by someone sitting in the US;that means that mail server is NOT in India.

I do not see the govt. directive as a solution to the menace.Or I am missing something.

-Nikhil

| Balu |

But hey most Indians use their gmail account for accessing orkut and well why would set your address as US there =D

Aaditya

Another one from our stone age babus. Well what else do we expect from people who spent their entire time studying for the civil services and wagging their tails for the political masters post getting in. SuperStupidSuckers

Mike

I only have one question…which Indian webmail company greased the proper wheels for this legislation to go through?

Vlad

After Satyam is gone, there must be some consolidation of power. Too bad I don’t follow political news :)

Libran Lover

Illogical, nonsense and useless are three words which come to mind. This causes hassles to service providers, but absolutely no benefit to the government, people or the country. What prevents a criminal or terrorist from registering an email address that doesn’t end with .in and using it in India? There are a thousand ways to by-pass location detection methods. When that happens, are they going to ban anyone without a .in email address from accessing free email accounts in India?

Harshad Sharma

The Government seems to think locking down the Internet is a solution to preventing its misuse. Would they also neuter all Indians because humans produce humans, some of whom become criminals. What better than to nip the problem right where it begins… isn’t it?

Niche Techie

Looks like our so called “IT Law Makers” haven’t got past the stone age. Those were the days when somebody got sick and the person was secluded/isolated for fear of spread of the disease.

Is there an opportunity that lies with the new age entrepreneurs to club together and present a better option to the law makers of this country ?

Chendu

Completely irrational and illogical move from this government…. First basic thing is can they even guarantee uninterrupted power? I work with a major investment banks unit and few times a day we have power cut and everything runs on our own generator…. Running a datacenter in india probably would be more expensive than anywhere because one has to run generator for few hours to keep power…(Diesel is not subsidized if one is procuring for power generation )

Complete stupidity from Indian Government officials…..

Manish J.

First, they went after RIM saying they could not offer their service in India via Tata Teleservices unless the servers were in India. Nevermind that Vodafone and Airtel had been offering RIM services for years.

Just more stupidity from Indian government officials.

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