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	<title>Comments on: Ding-dong, DRM Is Dead &#8212; But Here Comes Variable Pricing</title>
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		<title>By: Q dub</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/07/ding-dong-drm-is-dead-but-here-comes-variable-pricing/#comment-166783</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Q dub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If demand is infinite, then you should *definitely* charge more!  I don&#039;t see any problem with this, the spread difference between new and old songs is still much tighter than brand new DVDs vs bargain bin at your local BestBuy.

That being said, while hot new music is less price elastic, its also abundantly easier to pirate.  If I were them, I&#039;d spend time coming up with an algorithm for *rareness* and price that stuff up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If demand is infinite, then you should *definitely* charge more!  I don&#8217;t see any problem with this, the spread difference between new and old songs is still much tighter than brand new DVDs vs bargain bin at your local BestBuy.</p>
<p>That being said, while hot new music is less price elastic, its also abundantly easier to pirate.  If I were them, I&#8217;d spend time coming up with an algorithm for *rareness* and price that stuff up.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Houghton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Houghton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual, you hit the nail on the head.  Becuase iTunes controls 70% or more of the digital market, this does have broader industry ramifications.  Interestingly  EMI has not pushed any prices higher and Amazon and WalMart.com are resisting the increases where they can.

More for those interested @ http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/04/itunes-hits-129-but-emi-amazon-walmart-buck-trend.html

And thanks OM for the kind words about Hypebot.com.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, you hit the nail on the head.  Becuase iTunes controls 70% or more of the digital market, this does have broader industry ramifications.  Interestingly  EMI has not pushed any prices higher and Amazon and WalMart.com are resisting the increases where they can.</p>
<p>More for those interested @ <a href="http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/04/itunes-hits-129-but-emi-amazon-walmart-buck-trend.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/04/itunes-hits-129-but-emi-amazon-walmart-buck-trend.html</a></p>
<p>And thanks OM for the kind words about Hypebot.com.</p>
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		<title>By: coxy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[coxy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe in response to this (?), Amazon MP3 UK are offering over 100 tracks for 29 pence ($0.42) and many albums for just £3 ($4.39) indefinitely. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/08/amazon-itunes-music-downlads-mp3

On a side note, I used Amazon MP3 for the first time last week and was pleased to see they had a version of their download client for Ubuntu and it was easy enough to get working on a 64bit system too! Impressive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe in response to this (?), Amazon MP3 UK are offering over 100 tracks for 29 pence ($0.42) and many albums for just £3 ($4.39) indefinitely. <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/08/amazon-itunes-music-downlads-mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/08/amazon-itunes-music-downlads-mp3</a></p>
<p>On a side note, I used Amazon MP3 for the first time last week and was pleased to see they had a version of their download client for Ubuntu and it was easy enough to get working on a 64bit system too! Impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashish Prasad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ashish Prasad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Variable pricing is not uncommon in entertainment (or for that matter, in any industry). Retailers like Wal-Mart and the likes always sell DVDs with different pricing. On the extreme end, the eBay model is all about variable pricing...it&#039;s actually auction. I hope we don&#039;t see mp3s being auctioned on iTunes, although that&#039;s a selling model too, where buyer bids and pays what he/she likes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Variable pricing is not uncommon in entertainment (or for that matter, in any industry). Retailers like Wal-Mart and the likes always sell DVDs with different pricing. On the extreme end, the eBay model is all about variable pricing&#8230;it&#8217;s actually auction. I hope we don&#8217;t see mp3s being auctioned on iTunes, although that&#8217;s a selling model too, where buyer bids and pays what he/she likes.</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Om Malik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes and while that is true, charging extra 30 cents don&#039;t make much sense. anyway for now i am going to watch my pennies and also try and go for amazon as a likely source of music because it is cheaper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes and while that is true, charging extra 30 cents don&#8217;t make much sense. anyway for now i am going to watch my pennies and also try and go for amazon as a likely source of music because it is cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/07/ding-dong-drm-is-dead-but-here-comes-variable-pricing/#comment-166778</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Om Malik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i totally agree on that. I think the 99 cents pricing worked well as it was simple and widely understood. Now it is going to be an ad-hoc pricing scheme for all songs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i totally agree on that. I think the 99 cents pricing worked well as it was simple and widely understood. Now it is going to be an ad-hoc pricing scheme for all songs.</p>
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		<title>By: ol' yeller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ol' yeller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[consumers generally prefer flat rate pricing schemes.  examples: dial-up ISPs, broadband, and wireless services.  exceptions always exist and obviously not *everyone* prefers flat-rate.

when real competition does not exist and firms have monopoly or duopoly power do they try to force metered usage (a.k.a. per song pricing).  witness the music industry trying to keep their archaic model intact.

i don&#039;t want to pay for mp3s with low bitrates or previously proprietary codecs, nor do i want to order actual cds, so i suffer through one of the balkiest and worst UIs i&#039;ve ever used - rhapsody - in order to listen to most anything i like.  on an ex-MSFT guy could keep such a great underlying concept and service completely hamstrung with a horrible web and desktop client UI.

apple will go subscription at some point.  only a matter of when, not if.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>consumers generally prefer flat rate pricing schemes.  examples: dial-up ISPs, broadband, and wireless services.  exceptions always exist and obviously not *everyone* prefers flat-rate.</p>
<p>when real competition does not exist and firms have monopoly or duopoly power do they try to force metered usage (a.k.a. per song pricing).  witness the music industry trying to keep their archaic model intact.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t want to pay for mp3s with low bitrates or previously proprietary codecs, nor do i want to order actual cds, so i suffer through one of the balkiest and worst UIs i&#8217;ve ever used &#8211; rhapsody &#8211; in order to listen to most anything i like.  on an ex-MSFT guy could keep such a great underlying concept and service completely hamstrung with a horrible web and desktop client UI.</p>
<p>apple will go subscription at some point.  only a matter of when, not if.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Raphone</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/04/07/ding-dong-drm-is-dead-but-here-comes-variable-pricing/#comment-166776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Raphone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I might be looking at this matter from the wrong point of view, but in 1969 Dollars one could have purchased a new Ford Mustang for from $2,900.00 to $3,900.00 depending on how it was equipped. Now a Mustang costs from $29,000.00 to $39,000.00. In 1969 a 45 RPM Single costs about $1.00. I know, the purchaser actually received two songs but the one on the B Side was usually blah. I guess based on inflation iTunes is a great deal or consumers should be paying from $9.90 to $12.90 per song.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might be looking at this matter from the wrong point of view, but in 1969 Dollars one could have purchased a new Ford Mustang for from $2,900.00 to $3,900.00 depending on how it was equipped. Now a Mustang costs from $29,000.00 to $39,000.00. In 1969 a 45 RPM Single costs about $1.00. I know, the purchaser actually received two songs but the one on the B Side was usually blah. I guess based on inflation iTunes is a great deal or consumers should be paying from $9.90 to $12.90 per song.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cobb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[30 cents is worth it for DRM free music, and given a choice between buying a song with DRM for 99 cents and without for a premium, I&#039;d pay the premium. This is the opportunity for the market to show the cabal that this is a good idea, because if nobody buys the new product, then the producers are justified in saying the people want DRM. All the anti-dRM talk is just academic if the market doesn&#039;t respond.

As for the spectre of &#039;variable pricing&#039;, everybody knows that the premium priced stuff is going to be hot pop properties like whatever the Pussycat Dolls do next, not a Vladimir Horowitz recording from 1949.

If music people are smart, they will realize that the real money is to be made through Guitar Hero and Rock Band re-issues of old properties. That&#039;s the one place I&#039;d sell my soul to become a deal making IP attorney. Any idiot can just *listen* but a million consumers will pay big bucks to *play*. Nobody complains about DRM for video games. Nobody. And there are no XBox titles on Pirate Bay. In fact, the market for 3 year old XBox titles has now gone one way because demand is so low. GameStop stopped buying XBox titles in February, so your used games are worthless. But nobody is complaining.

It is and always has been about value. The value of DRM free music is high. Thanks Apple. Now fix your memory pig of a player.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30 cents is worth it for DRM free music, and given a choice between buying a song with DRM for 99 cents and without for a premium, I&#8217;d pay the premium. This is the opportunity for the market to show the cabal that this is a good idea, because if nobody buys the new product, then the producers are justified in saying the people want DRM. All the anti-dRM talk is just academic if the market doesn&#8217;t respond.</p>
<p>As for the spectre of &#8216;variable pricing&#8217;, everybody knows that the premium priced stuff is going to be hot pop properties like whatever the Pussycat Dolls do next, not a Vladimir Horowitz recording from 1949.</p>
<p>If music people are smart, they will realize that the real money is to be made through Guitar Hero and Rock Band re-issues of old properties. That&#8217;s the one place I&#8217;d sell my soul to become a deal making IP attorney. Any idiot can just *listen* but a million consumers will pay big bucks to *play*. Nobody complains about DRM for video games. Nobody. And there are no XBox titles on Pirate Bay. In fact, the market for 3 year old XBox titles has now gone one way because demand is so low. GameStop stopped buying XBox titles in February, so your used games are worthless. But nobody is complaining.</p>
<p>It is and always has been about value. The value of DRM free music is high. Thanks Apple. Now fix your memory pig of a player.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Downs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Downs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that, from a consumer&#039;s perspective, a subscription service makes sense in the U.S. In countries without the payments infrastructure (or copyright enforcement), ad based models like Google&#039;s recent China deal may work.

What&#039;s unclear to me is how, when fully implemented, these models work for the artist. Presumably music companies allocate artist royalties based on the number (and percentage) of plays on a given service, but with a fixed subscription or ad revenue model the upside capped. Therefore, the outcome is fundamentally distributive. That is, one artist&#039;s hit effectively takes money from other artists.

Further, while it&#039;s true that once you have a digital master, the marginal distribution costs for DRM-free music are near zero, the terms between an artist and his/her record label are a significant driver of any given song&#039;s cost structure. If the top line is fixed across subscription services, record company A&amp;R managers lose flexibility when contracting with and motivating talent.

I think that, while they currently enjoy a cross-subsidy from CD and online pay-per models, subscription services are unsustainable. I suspect that pay-per (streamed and/or downloadable) will eventually dominate, but record companies are going to have to get a lot more sophisticated about pricing. Getting back to Om&#039;s post, now that DRM is effectively dead, dynamic, not variable, pricing will be the key enabler.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that, from a consumer&#8217;s perspective, a subscription service makes sense in the U.S. In countries without the payments infrastructure (or copyright enforcement), ad based models like Google&#8217;s recent China deal may work.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s unclear to me is how, when fully implemented, these models work for the artist. Presumably music companies allocate artist royalties based on the number (and percentage) of plays on a given service, but with a fixed subscription or ad revenue model the upside capped. Therefore, the outcome is fundamentally distributive. That is, one artist&#8217;s hit effectively takes money from other artists.</p>
<p>Further, while it&#8217;s true that once you have a digital master, the marginal distribution costs for DRM-free music are near zero, the terms between an artist and his/her record label are a significant driver of any given song&#8217;s cost structure. If the top line is fixed across subscription services, record company A&amp;R managers lose flexibility when contracting with and motivating talent.</p>
<p>I think that, while they currently enjoy a cross-subsidy from CD and online pay-per models, subscription services are unsustainable. I suspect that pay-per (streamed and/or downloadable) will eventually dominate, but record companies are going to have to get a lot more sophisticated about pricing. Getting back to Om&#8217;s post, now that DRM is effectively dead, dynamic, not variable, pricing will be the key enabler.</p>
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