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		<title>By: The Open Cloud Manifesto &#171; powerx7</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165420</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Open Cloud Manifesto &#171; powerx7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] polémica se desató la semana pasada a partir de una entrada de Steven Martin, de Microsoft, en las que [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Open Cloud Manifesto &#124;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165419</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Open Cloud Manifesto &#124;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] polémica se desató la semana pasada a partir de una entrada de Steven Martin, de Microsoft, en las que [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Tectonic &#187; Buffer Overflow: Android, MonoDevelop, Open Cloud, air traffic control</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165418</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tectonic &#187; Buffer Overflow: Android, MonoDevelop, Open Cloud, air traffic control]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] standards for cloud computing. Matt Asay says it is IBM and others are calling the group a cabal. Not a good start to an open cloud [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Open Cloud Manifesto &#171; El blog de Enrique Dans</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165417</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Open Cloud Manifesto &#171; El blog de Enrique Dans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] La polémica se desató la semana pasada a partir de una entrada de Steven Martin, de Microsoft, en las que atacaba la iniciativa y la tildaba de secretista y de oscura.  Steven afirmaba que lo que había que hacer era poner el documento en un wiki y discutirlo abiertamente, y que la cuestión de los estándares precisaba una discusión larga hasta que el proceso se solidificase. El recurso a este tipo de técnicas no es nuevo en la estrategia de Microsoft: reclamar el desarrollo de un proceso supuestamente abierto en el que poder intervenir, para poder llegar a posiciones de fijación de estándares ventajosas mediante la saturación del proceso con “votos amigos” y estandarizaciones de facto. En realidad, el Open Cloud Manifesto es un documento enormemente generalista y abierto, que pretende sentar definiciones y bases de funcionamiento de cara al futuro, y en ese sentido resulta de lo más recomendable revisar cada una de sus seis páginas. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] La polémica se desató la semana pasada a partir de una entrada de Steven Martin, de Microsoft, en las que atacaba la iniciativa y la tildaba de secretista y de oscura.  Steven afirmaba que lo que había que hacer era poner el documento en un wiki y discutirlo abiertamente, y que la cuestión de los estándares precisaba una discusión larga hasta que el proceso se solidificase. El recurso a este tipo de técnicas no es nuevo en la estrategia de Microsoft: reclamar el desarrollo de un proceso supuestamente abierto en el que poder intervenir, para poder llegar a posiciones de fijación de estándares ventajosas mediante la saturación del proceso con “votos amigos” y estandarizaciones de facto. En realidad, el Open Cloud Manifesto es un documento enormemente generalista y abierto, que pretende sentar definiciones y bases de funcionamiento de cara al futuro, y en ese sentido resulta de lo más recomendable revisar cada una de sus seis páginas. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Open Cloud Manifesto is Nothing But a Vapor Tiger &#124; Digital Asset Management</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165416</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Open Cloud Manifesto is Nothing But a Vapor Tiger &#124; Digital Asset Management]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] week, we watched the big names in the IT industry play their little reindeer games over a proposed Open Cloud Manifesto put forth by IBM. I have to say, it wasn’t worth it. As far as Manifestos go, this one is pretty benign. Who cares [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] week, we watched the big names in the IT industry play their little reindeer games over a proposed Open Cloud Manifesto put forth by IBM. I have to say, it wasn’t worth it. As far as Manifestos go, this one is pretty benign. Who cares [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Open Cloud Manifesto // Sobre Tecnologia</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165415</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Open Cloud Manifesto // Sobre Tecnologia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Open Cloud Manifesto is Nothing But a Vapor Tiger</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Open Cloud Manifesto is Nothing But a Vapor Tiger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] week, we watched the big names in the IT industry play their little reindeer games over a proposed Open Cloud Manifesto put forth by IBM. I have to say, it wasn&#8217;t worth it. As far as Manifestos go, this one is pretty benign. Who [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] week, we watched the big names in the IT industry play their little reindeer games over a proposed Open Cloud Manifesto put forth by IBM. I have to say, it wasn&#8217;t worth it. As far as Manifestos go, this one is pretty benign. Who [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OStatic Buffer Overflow &#124; google android os blog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165413</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OStatic Buffer Overflow &#124; google android os blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Is a cabal of tech companies, including IBM, Sun Microsystems, and Enomaly developing a secretive &quot;Open Cloud Manifesto?&quot; Some say so. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Manifesto spurs a battle among giants in the cloud &#187; VentureBeat</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manifesto spurs a battle among giants in the cloud &#187; VentureBeat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] for openness is complaining about a lack of openness is pretty ironic in and of itself, as many other bloggers were eager to point out &#8212; and not always [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for openness is complaining about a lack of openness is pretty ironic in and of itself, as many other bloggers were eager to point out &#8212; and not always [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Geva Perry</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165411</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geva Perry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I published the full text of the Open Cloud Manifesto on my blog:

http://gevaperry.typepad.com/main/2009/03/the-open-cloud-manifesto-much-ado-about-nothing.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I published the full text of the Open Cloud Manifesto on my blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://gevaperry.typepad.com/main/2009/03/the-open-cloud-manifesto-much-ado-about-nothing.html" rel="nofollow">http://gevaperry.typepad.com/main/2009/03/the-open-cloud-manifesto-much-ado-about-nothing.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: thegeniusfiles</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thegeniusfiles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nobody invited Microsoft to the party? That is just wrong. To rectify the situation, I am pleased to announce the Open Sewer Initiative. Microsoft, please feel free to jump in at any time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody invited Microsoft to the party? That is just wrong. To rectify the situation, I am pleased to announce the Open Sewer Initiative. Microsoft, please feel free to jump in at any time.</p>
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		<title>By: Subhash Bose</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Subhash Bose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which part of microsoft software is open exactly?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which part of microsoft software is open exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: Treova</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Treova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How open is this initiative if I cannot even see it! Look, I am no supporter of Mr. Softie, but this thing is already beginning to smell like a half-baked marketing initiative.

Cloud Computing means so many different things to different stakeholders. Looking forward to the Monday release.

Also see
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/microsoft-pokes-hole-cloud-computing/story.aspx?guid=%7BFE589532%2D894D%2D44AE%2D8FB3%2D14C11DF54892%7D#comments1934232]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How open is this initiative if I cannot even see it! Look, I am no supporter of Mr. Softie, but this thing is already beginning to smell like a half-baked marketing initiative.</p>
<p>Cloud Computing means so many different things to different stakeholders. Looking forward to the Monday release.</p>
<p>Also see<br />
<a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/microsoft-pokes-hole-cloud-computing/story.aspx?guid=%7BFE589532%2D894D%2D44AE%2D8FB3%2D14C11DF54892%7D#comments1934232" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/microsoft-pokes-hole-cloud-computing/story.aspx?guid=%7BFE589532%2D894D%2D44AE%2D8FB3%2D14C11DF54892%7D#comments1934232</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam Johnston</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Johnston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geir summed it up nicely[1]:

&quot;You&#039;ve got a serious problem when MSFT can call you out on openness and they - despite being MSFT - have a point.&quot;

This comment[2] on TechCrunch&#039;s colourful Out of Order 2.0 article has some merit too:

&quot;It was a committee having a secret meeting. End of story.

This committee should be disbanded and a new one formed, and all the participants of the secret meetings should be barred from the new committee.

As far as committees and committee rules go, this is an ethical lapse of the highest order.&quot;

Sam

1. http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/geir/archives/001785_open_cloud_fail.html
2. http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/03/26/out-of-order-20/#comment-8783
3. http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/03/26/out-of-order-20/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geir summed it up nicely[1]:</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;ve got a serious problem when MSFT can call you out on openness and they &#8211; despite being MSFT &#8211; have a point.&#8221;</p>
<p>This comment[2] on TechCrunch&#8217;s colourful Out of Order 2.0 article has some merit too:</p>
<p>&#8220;It was a committee having a secret meeting. End of story.</p>
<p>This committee should be disbanded and a new one formed, and all the participants of the secret meetings should be barred from the new committee.</p>
<p>As far as committees and committee rules go, this is an ethical lapse of the highest order.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sam</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/geir/archives/001785_open_cloud_fail.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/geir/archives/001785_open_cloud_fail.html</a><br />
2. <a href="http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/03/26/out-of-order-20/#comment-8783" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/03/26/out-of-order-20/#comment-8783</a><br />
3. <a href="http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/03/26/out-of-order-20/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/03/26/out-of-order-20/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam Johnston</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165406</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Johnston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geir &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/geir/archives/001785_open_cloud_fail.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;summed it up nicely&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;You&#039;ve got a serious problem when MSFT can call you out on openness and they - despite being MSFT - have a point.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/03/26/out-of-order-20/#comment-8783&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This comment&lt;/a&gt; on TechCrunch&#039;s colourful &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/03/26/out-of-order-20/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Out of Order 2.0&lt;/a&gt; article has some merit too:

&quot;It was a committee having a secret meeting. End of story.

This committee should be disbanded and a new one formed, and all the participants of the secret meetings should be barred from the new committee.

As far as committees and committee rules go, this is an ethical lapse of the highest order.&quot;

Sam]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geir <a href="http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/geir/archives/001785_open_cloud_fail.html" rel="nofollow">summed it up nicely</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;ve got a serious problem when MSFT can call you out on openness and they &#8211; despite being MSFT &#8211; have a point.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/03/26/out-of-order-20/#comment-8783" rel="nofollow">This comment</a> on TechCrunch&#8217;s colourful <a href="http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/03/26/out-of-order-20/" rel="nofollow">Out of Order 2.0</a> article has some merit too:</p>
<p>&#8220;It was a committee having a secret meeting. End of story.</p>
<p>This committee should be disbanded and a new one formed, and all the participants of the secret meetings should be barred from the new committee.</p>
<p>As far as committees and committee rules go, this is an ethical lapse of the highest order.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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		<title>By: TanNg</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/27/thunder-in-the-cloud-over-openness/#comment-165405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TanNg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand you point. Are you supporting open process and Microsoft offer or not? Or you just take this as an opportunity to bash Microsoft.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand you point. Are you supporting open process and Microsoft offer or not? Or you just take this as an opportunity to bash Microsoft.</p>
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