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		<title>By: Broadband Has Turned Our Homes Into Glass Houses</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/09/verizon-data-sharing-hysteria-points-to-larger-privacy-issues/#comment-163028</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Broadband Has Turned Our Homes Into Glass Houses]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 15:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] know what&#8217;s being shared, which means they don&#8217;t know what to do about it and instead, just freak out. If you give people information in a standardized format suddenly they can have control &#8212; [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] know what&#8217;s being shared, which means they don&#8217;t know what to do about it and instead, just freak out. If you give people information in a standardized format suddenly they can have control &#8212; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Cool Tech Stuff Blog &#187; &#187; Verizon Offers Not-So Clear Opt-out Feature For Personal Data Sharing Plan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Cool Tech Stuff Blog &#187; &#187; Verizon Offers Not-So Clear Opt-out Feature For Personal Data Sharing Plan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] quick move to make money off of selling people&#8217;s personal data to outside companies. But in a statement over the weekend, the company noted that this data sharing was &#8216;designed for intra-carrier communication [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] quick move to make money off of selling people&#8217;s personal data to outside companies. But in a statement over the weekend, the company noted that this data sharing was &#8216;designed for intra-carrier communication [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 08:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps it didn&#039;t just emerge, but it is news nonetheless, and that&#039;s only as a result of broad news venues picking up on it.

More importantly, I only signed up for Verizon service within the last month, and was explicitly lied to when signing up for service, so this news is a valuable public service for me.

I am a privacy freak. So much so, that I have never given my SSN to anyone for any reason other than employment or tax filing.So much so that I forbade my employer (when I was employed by someone else), from allowing health insurance companies access to it, which required them to figure out how to issue insurance cards and accounts without it (this is 20 years ago, before most were aware of ID theft and other privacy issues associated with over-disclosure of personal info.) So much so that after arguing with the Verizon sales desk for over 45 minutes that it is indeed possible to set up an account without a SSN, that they finally called in to their credit department and were told they could if they collected a $500 deposit from me, which I gladly paid.

And, before I agreed to sign up, I confirmed that no personal information was ever disclosed to anyone for marketing purposes, and as the account was being registered, and they wanted my email address, I asked again how it might be used, and gave it only on the explicit affirmative statement of the store manager that none of my personal information was never disclosed, and it was only for sending of legal notices, etc. I also asked explicitly about marketing to my phone number, because a previous carrier had committed the cardinal sin of allowing people unknown to me to send text messages (spam) to my phone and then charging me for it. I was assured that Verizon did not do that, and had explicit rules against such marketing exploitation of my privacy and my money. So apparently this required opt-out provision was news to him too.

So Byron, you can be snarky about demanding people do their homework, but there is a limit to how much due diligence anyone should be required to perform before buying any product, especially one as basic as a phone. And if I have made it clear by my statements and actions that privacy is extremely important to me, and that I want to be opted out of everything that doesn&#039;t have my explicit permission, and not just the salesperson, but the store manager stands there and lies to me about how my private information will be treated, then I not only have a problem, I may have a right to legal recourse.

I discovered this only by accident, and only because people like Om and David published it. I&#039;m glad for the public service, and I&#039;m glad that someone with David&#039;s profile and following got noticed by the NY Times and by Om. No average consumer reads rcrwireless.com, and getting noticed by little tech publications does not constitute public disclosure of important issues of broad public concern. Do you actually suggest that one is obliged to imagine all the specific violations that all organizations might perpetrate against them, and then go searching the internet to see if that particular violation has already be found out? It&#039;s easier to read 45 pages of small print to find the little gem. In addition to doing plenty of homework at time of sale via questioning of the company representatives, I also read the fine print I was given at the store, much to the frustration of everyone else, and there was no mention of this.

Had high profile people like this not published the news (when they found out about it), I wouldn&#039;t have found out until much later, and by that time we&#039;re talking about the privacy violation being in the past, and lawsuits based on he-said she-said and trying to establish principles in precedent which Congress and the FCC seem determined not to guarantee in laws and regulations. No one wants to deal with that, so I appreciate this &quot;news&quot; being made public, because despite &quot;doing my homework&quot; (probably better than 99.997% of the population does), it was indeed news to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it didn&#8217;t just emerge, but it is news nonetheless, and that&#8217;s only as a result of broad news venues picking up on it.</p>
<p>More importantly, I only signed up for Verizon service within the last month, and was explicitly lied to when signing up for service, so this news is a valuable public service for me.</p>
<p>I am a privacy freak. So much so, that I have never given my SSN to anyone for any reason other than employment or tax filing.So much so that I forbade my employer (when I was employed by someone else), from allowing health insurance companies access to it, which required them to figure out how to issue insurance cards and accounts without it (this is 20 years ago, before most were aware of ID theft and other privacy issues associated with over-disclosure of personal info.) So much so that after arguing with the Verizon sales desk for over 45 minutes that it is indeed possible to set up an account without a SSN, that they finally called in to their credit department and were told they could if they collected a $500 deposit from me, which I gladly paid.</p>
<p>And, before I agreed to sign up, I confirmed that no personal information was ever disclosed to anyone for marketing purposes, and as the account was being registered, and they wanted my email address, I asked again how it might be used, and gave it only on the explicit affirmative statement of the store manager that none of my personal information was never disclosed, and it was only for sending of legal notices, etc. I also asked explicitly about marketing to my phone number, because a previous carrier had committed the cardinal sin of allowing people unknown to me to send text messages (spam) to my phone and then charging me for it. I was assured that Verizon did not do that, and had explicit rules against such marketing exploitation of my privacy and my money. So apparently this required opt-out provision was news to him too.</p>
<p>So Byron, you can be snarky about demanding people do their homework, but there is a limit to how much due diligence anyone should be required to perform before buying any product, especially one as basic as a phone. And if I have made it clear by my statements and actions that privacy is extremely important to me, and that I want to be opted out of everything that doesn&#8217;t have my explicit permission, and not just the salesperson, but the store manager stands there and lies to me about how my private information will be treated, then I not only have a problem, I may have a right to legal recourse.</p>
<p>I discovered this only by accident, and only because people like Om and David published it. I&#8217;m glad for the public service, and I&#8217;m glad that someone with David&#8217;s profile and following got noticed by the NY Times and by Om. No average consumer reads rcrwireless.com, and getting noticed by little tech publications does not constitute public disclosure of important issues of broad public concern. Do you actually suggest that one is obliged to imagine all the specific violations that all organizations might perpetrate against them, and then go searching the internet to see if that particular violation has already be found out? It&#8217;s easier to read 45 pages of small print to find the little gem. In addition to doing plenty of homework at time of sale via questioning of the company representatives, I also read the fine print I was given at the store, much to the frustration of everyone else, and there was no mention of this.</p>
<p>Had high profile people like this not published the news (when they found out about it), I wouldn&#8217;t have found out until much later, and by that time we&#8217;re talking about the privacy violation being in the past, and lawsuits based on he-said she-said and trying to establish principles in precedent which Congress and the FCC seem determined not to guarantee in laws and regulations. No one wants to deal with that, so I appreciate this &#8220;news&#8221; being made public, because despite &#8220;doing my homework&#8221; (probably better than 99.997% of the population does), it was indeed news to me.</p>
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		<title>By: byron</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/09/verizon-data-sharing-hysteria-points-to-larger-privacy-issues/#comment-163025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[byron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It did not just emerge over the March 7-8, 2009 weekend &#039;Verizon Wireless was trying to share your cell phone data&#039;.

Do your homework.

VZW intros new opt-out policy for dissemination of calling records
October 12 2007
and the original:
http://www.rcrwireless.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071012/FREE/71012004/1002/FREE

and picked up here:
http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=15695.msg205086#msg205086]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It did not just emerge over the March 7-8, 2009 weekend &#8216;Verizon Wireless was trying to share your cell phone data&#8217;.</p>
<p>Do your homework.</p>
<p>VZW intros new opt-out policy for dissemination of calling records<br />
October 12 2007<br />
and the original:<br />
<a href="http://www.rcrwireless.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071012/FREE/71012004/1002/FREE" rel="nofollow">http://www.rcrwireless.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071012/FREE/71012004/1002/FREE</a></p>
<p>and picked up here:<br />
<a href="http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=15695.msg205086#msg205086" rel="nofollow">http://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=15695.msg205086#msg205086</a></p>
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		<title>By: Verizon Hit By Internet Privacy Freak Out - Occasionally, somebody reads the fine print and gets terrified&#8230; &#124; Voip Blog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/09/verizon-data-sharing-hysteria-points-to-larger-privacy-issues/#comment-163024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Verizon Hit By Internet Privacy Freak Out - Occasionally, somebody reads the fine print and gets terrified&#8230; &#124; Voip Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] posted something to their own blog insisting that nothing in the policy has changed, and they tell GigaOM that the information is only shared within Verizon and Vodafone (though what Vodafone does with it [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] posted something to their own blog insisting that nothing in the policy has changed, and they tell GigaOM that the information is only shared within Verizon and Vodafone (though what Vodafone does with it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Verizon Offers Not-So Clear Opt-out Feature For Personal Data Sharing Plan &#124; Emixt - Wholesale products</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/09/verizon-data-sharing-hysteria-points-to-larger-privacy-issues/#comment-163023</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Verizon Offers Not-So Clear Opt-out Feature For Personal Data Sharing Plan &#124; Emixt - Wholesale products]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] quick move to make money off of selling people&#8217;s personal data to outside companies. But in a statement over the weekend, the company noted that this data sharing was &#8216;designed for intra-carrier communication [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] quick move to make money off of selling people&#8217;s personal data to outside companies. But in a statement over the weekend, the company noted that this data sharing was &#8216;designed for intra-carrier communication [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Verizon Hit By Internet Privacy Freak Out - Occasionally, somebody reads the fine print and gets terrified&#8230; &#124; remove the labels &#124; Gadgets and Life</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/09/verizon-data-sharing-hysteria-points-to-larger-privacy-issues/#comment-163022</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Verizon Hit By Internet Privacy Freak Out - Occasionally, somebody reads the fine print and gets terrified&#8230; &#124; remove the labels &#124; Gadgets and Life]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] posted something to their own blog insisting that nothing in the policy has changed, and they tell GigaOM that the information is only shared within Verizon and Vodafone (though what Vodafone does with it [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] posted something to their own blog insisting that nothing in the policy has changed, and they tell GigaOM that the information is only shared within Verizon and Vodafone (though what Vodafone does with it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TPile &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Verizon Hit By Internet Privacy Freak Out - Occasionally, somebody reads the fine print and gets terrified&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/09/verizon-data-sharing-hysteria-points-to-larger-privacy-issues/#comment-163021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TPile &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Verizon Hit By Internet Privacy Freak Out - Occasionally, somebody reads the fine print and gets terrified&#8230;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] posted something to their own blog insisting that nothing in the policy has changed, and they tell GigaOM that the information is only shared within Verizon and Vodafone (though what Vodafone does with it [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] posted something to their own blog insisting that nothing in the policy has changed, and they tell GigaOM that the information is only shared within Verizon and Vodafone (though what Vodafone does with it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/09/verizon-data-sharing-hysteria-points-to-larger-privacy-issues/#comment-163020</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Om Malik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Fazal

I could not agree more. We have a bunch of fools in congress who are lackeys of big corporations. It annoys me no end that no one seems to care about the consumers at all, especially the greedy and corrupt politicians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fazal</p>
<p>I could not agree more. We have a bunch of fools in congress who are lackeys of big corporations. It annoys me no end that no one seems to care about the consumers at all, especially the greedy and corrupt politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Fazal Majid</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/03/09/verizon-data-sharing-hysteria-points-to-larger-privacy-issues/#comment-163019</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fazal Majid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;No consumer should have to negotiate an opt-out that arduous.&quot;

Indeed, no consumer should have to opt-out at all, the telco should be required to have explicit opt-in before it can proceed. It is only the US&#039; pathetic consumer protection laws abetted by a venal Congress (Telcos are the no. 1 campaign contributors) that allows such a travesty in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No consumer should have to negotiate an opt-out that arduous.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, no consumer should have to opt-out at all, the telco should be required to have explicit opt-in before it can proceed. It is only the US&#8217; pathetic consumer protection laws abetted by a venal Congress (Telcos are the no. 1 campaign contributors) that allows such a travesty in the first place.</p>
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