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		<title>By: Can you hear me? HD Voice and Its Implications &#171; IMTC: Interoperability, Multimedia and Standards</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 06:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Global IP Solutions: Positioning Codecs, Including SILK &#124; Voice on the Web</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Global IP Solutions: Positioning Codecs, Including SILK &#124; Voice on the Web]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: EnThinnai Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; HD Voice is Easy to Realize</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] month Daniel Berninger wrote a guest column expressing the benefits of using high definition codec for voice communication. In that post, Dan [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: 3</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I ran across an interesting article titled &quot;Talk Is Cheap&quot; reviewing top VoIP programs at DealDogs.net.  This is the article link &lt;a href=&quot;http://dealdogs.net/?p=10668&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here&lt;/a&gt; to read a description and see videos about top webchat programs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran across an interesting article titled &#8220;Talk Is Cheap&#8221; reviewing top VoIP programs at DealDogs.net.  This is the article link <a href="http://dealdogs.net/?p=10668" rel="nofollow"> here</a> to read a description and see videos about top webchat programs.</p>
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		<title>By: McGuire&#8217;s Law &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Enabling Technology: February 21, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[McGuire&#8217;s Law &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Enabling Technology: February 21, 2009]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Daniel Berninger</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another data point on the sad state of telephone fidelity:  Analog telephones miss between 66-83% of the available energy in speech.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another data point on the sad state of telephone fidelity:  Analog telephones miss between 66-83% of the available energy in speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Green</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy Green]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of the comments about analog being good enough and people don&#039;t want any better reminds me of another debate that I think has been pretty much settled.  And that question was whether consumers will spend $1.50 for freshly brewed Ethiopian coffee when they can get the neighborhood mud at the diner. People did notice the difference and an enormous market was born. As far as analog audio being good enough technically, there&#039;s important research that shows that certain aspects of the  human voice signal, called formants, are blocked by the PSTN&#039;s 3.4 Khz bandwidth.  The HD experience is simply better, and here’s hoping that carriers and service providers will begin to support it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the comments about analog being good enough and people don&#8217;t want any better reminds me of another debate that I think has been pretty much settled.  And that question was whether consumers will spend $1.50 for freshly brewed Ethiopian coffee when they can get the neighborhood mud at the diner. People did notice the difference and an enormous market was born. As far as analog audio being good enough technically, there&#8217;s important research that shows that certain aspects of the  human voice signal, called formants, are blocked by the PSTN&#8217;s 3.4 Khz bandwidth.  The HD experience is simply better, and here’s hoping that carriers and service providers will begin to support it</p>
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		<title>By: David Frankel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Frankel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wideband audio is a solution to a problem most people don&#039;t know they have. Point-to-point mobile-to-mobile phone calls work most of time, even though they sound like crap. I tell people: I talk to my brother over those connections all the time. The audio isn&#039;t 100% intelligible, but we&#039;ve been finishing each other&#039;s sentences for almost 50 years so it doesn&#039;t matter. We&#039;d all like it to be better, and the technology community really should be ashamed of what they&#039;re delivering here. But it&#039;s functional and people are (obviously) willing to pay for it.

Conferencing (my business) is a different animal. You&#039;re often talking with people you haven&#039;t met. You&#039;re trying to recognize voices, understand foreign accents, and decipher unfamiliar speech. There&#039;s background noise and double-talk. Now layer on narrowband sampling and encoding, which strips away half of the audio information, and these calls can be disasters.

Ever wonder why you&#039;re exhausted after a 45 minute conference call? It&#039;s because a sizable fraction of your brainpower was devoted to &quot;recovering&quot; the missing information. Spend a couple hours on an HD conference call and you&#039;ll feel a lot better.

Someday, hopefully we&#039;ll all enjoy wideband audio as part of the telecom routine -- even on your mobile phone. Technology, as noted, is not the problem (there&#039;s already a wideband codec defined for GSM, AMR-WB / G.722.2). But it&#039;s going to take a lot of time and work to make the subconscious benefits more obvious to the general population, and even to the &quot;specialists&quot; in the field.

A friend of mine suggested a while back that the FCC should mandate wideband audio for all telephony by some date certain. Maybe we should have made that part of the stimulus package!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wideband audio is a solution to a problem most people don&#8217;t know they have. Point-to-point mobile-to-mobile phone calls work most of time, even though they sound like crap. I tell people: I talk to my brother over those connections all the time. The audio isn&#8217;t 100% intelligible, but we&#8217;ve been finishing each other&#8217;s sentences for almost 50 years so it doesn&#8217;t matter. We&#8217;d all like it to be better, and the technology community really should be ashamed of what they&#8217;re delivering here. But it&#8217;s functional and people are (obviously) willing to pay for it.</p>
<p>Conferencing (my business) is a different animal. You&#8217;re often talking with people you haven&#8217;t met. You&#8217;re trying to recognize voices, understand foreign accents, and decipher unfamiliar speech. There&#8217;s background noise and double-talk. Now layer on narrowband sampling and encoding, which strips away half of the audio information, and these calls can be disasters.</p>
<p>Ever wonder why you&#8217;re exhausted after a 45 minute conference call? It&#8217;s because a sizable fraction of your brainpower was devoted to &#8220;recovering&#8221; the missing information. Spend a couple hours on an HD conference call and you&#8217;ll feel a lot better.</p>
<p>Someday, hopefully we&#8217;ll all enjoy wideband audio as part of the telecom routine &#8212; even on your mobile phone. Technology, as noted, is not the problem (there&#8217;s already a wideband codec defined for GSM, AMR-WB / G.722.2). But it&#8217;s going to take a lot of time and work to make the subconscious benefits more obvious to the general population, and even to the &#8220;specialists&#8221; in the field.</p>
<p>A friend of mine suggested a while back that the FCC should mandate wideband audio for all telephony by some date certain. Maybe we should have made that part of the stimulus package!</p>
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		<title>By: mjgraves</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mjgraves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the only issues were technical then the US would have broadly adopted ISDN as a superior solution, including end-to-end digital voice with wideband potential.

Incumbents will generally wring every last dollar out of the status quo, resisting any investment regardless of the potential. A such, I think that it will take a major change, revolution, not evolution, possibly by a new player in the game, to drive widespread migration off the PSTN.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the only issues were technical then the US would have broadly adopted ISDN as a superior solution, including end-to-end digital voice with wideband potential.</p>
<p>Incumbents will generally wring every last dollar out of the status quo, resisting any investment regardless of the potential. A such, I think that it will take a major change, revolution, not evolution, possibly by a new player in the game, to drive widespread migration off the PSTN.</p>
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		<title>By: JAy.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JAy.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those with perfect hearing, &quot;good enough&quot; quality may be just fine.  For those of us with substandard hearing, any improvement will be welcomed.

That said, I do not think that incumbent telcos will try to ignore this technology.  Part of the reason that voice call quality has stayed stagnant the last 20 years is the increase bandwith on the line being dedicated to other uses.  Currently I get traditional PSTN voice, 3 Mbps internet, and HDTV over a single copper pair (not a standard install, but all that was available in my particular case).  Additionally, I could add a dedicated VOIP connection to the pair if desired.

The incumbents have the ability to offer HDVN if they desire, and I am sure that they soon will offer it, although the price may be higher than some are willing to pay for many years still.  It may just get implemented without upgrading the PSTN network.  And it will likely not be exclusive in my lifetime (hopefully another 50 years). :)

JAy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those with perfect hearing, &#8220;good enough&#8221; quality may be just fine.  For those of us with substandard hearing, any improvement will be welcomed.</p>
<p>That said, I do not think that incumbent telcos will try to ignore this technology.  Part of the reason that voice call quality has stayed stagnant the last 20 years is the increase bandwith on the line being dedicated to other uses.  Currently I get traditional PSTN voice, 3 Mbps internet, and HDTV over a single copper pair (not a standard install, but all that was available in my particular case).  Additionally, I could add a dedicated VOIP connection to the pair if desired.</p>
<p>The incumbents have the ability to offer HDVN if they desire, and I am sure that they soon will offer it, although the price may be higher than some are willing to pay for many years still.  It may just get implemented without upgrading the PSTN network.  And it will likely not be exclusive in my lifetime (hopefully another 50 years). :)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Berninger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Berninger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The voice-quality-is-good-enough crowd miss two things.  They seem to forget conveying voice represents the core value proposition of a telephone call.  It is unthinkable that the core value proposition of a technology based service should remain static for 50 years.  Embracing good enough in the case of voice quality makes no more sense than embracing good enough in PC processing power.  The existing applications may work adequately with the status quo. The point of continuous improvement is expanding the range of addressable applications.  The fact voice quality does not change owes to the structural obstacles to improvements inherent with the telephone network.  It is not because no one can imagine benefits coming from improved voice quality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The voice-quality-is-good-enough crowd miss two things.  They seem to forget conveying voice represents the core value proposition of a telephone call.  It is unthinkable that the core value proposition of a technology based service should remain static for 50 years.  Embracing good enough in the case of voice quality makes no more sense than embracing good enough in PC processing power.  The existing applications may work adequately with the status quo. The point of continuous improvement is expanding the range of addressable applications.  The fact voice quality does not change owes to the structural obstacles to improvements inherent with the telephone network.  It is not because no one can imagine benefits coming from improved voice quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Q dub</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Q dub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I frequently observe people asking a caller to dial their landline to resume the conversation over higher quality.  You&#039;re right that there is a point where it&#039;s &quot;good enough&quot; that it won&#039;t matter, but I&#039;d hypothesis that wireless voice is largely below this threshold.

That said, I think some sort of high-quality voice solution will ultimately be delivered by incumbents, not a newbie startup.  No carrier will permit the double-whammy of greater spectrum usage AND over-the-top voice cannibalization, and will likely pursue their own, possibly premium priced offering once the demand is validated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I frequently observe people asking a caller to dial their landline to resume the conversation over higher quality.  You&#8217;re right that there is a point where it&#8217;s &#8220;good enough&#8221; that it won&#8217;t matter, but I&#8217;d hypothesis that wireless voice is largely below this threshold.</p>
<p>That said, I think some sort of high-quality voice solution will ultimately be delivered by incumbents, not a newbie startup.  No carrier will permit the double-whammy of greater spectrum usage AND over-the-top voice cannibalization, and will likely pursue their own, possibly premium priced offering once the demand is validated.</p>
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		<title>By: mjgraves</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mjgraves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Through the transition to cellular we&#039;ve been trained to accept substandard call quality. As someone who uses G.722 literally every day (there&#039;s a Polycom IP650 on my desk) I speak from experience when I say that quality makes a difference.

Since I first evaluated the Polycom HDVoice products about a year ago many people around me have started adopting these devices. Starting a month ago the week VoIP Users Conference call (http://www.voipusersconference.org) has been hosted on both wideband (http://www.zipdx.com) and traditional (http://www.talkshoe.com) conference bridges. Thus our podcasts serve as examples of the difference between old skool PSTN and better.

Happilt, ounterpath is about to release a new retail version of their Eyebeam soft phone for Windows that will also be G.722 capable. I&#039;ve been using a pre-release vresion for the past week and it&#039;s excellent.

We need to not only demand better, but also do something about it. Use wideband IP telephony where possible, and push for better where it&#039;s not offered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Through the transition to cellular we&#8217;ve been trained to accept substandard call quality. As someone who uses G.722 literally every day (there&#8217;s a Polycom IP650 on my desk) I speak from experience when I say that quality makes a difference.</p>
<p>Since I first evaluated the Polycom HDVoice products about a year ago many people around me have started adopting these devices. Starting a month ago the week VoIP Users Conference call (<a href="http://www.voipusersconference.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.voipusersconference.org</a>) has been hosted on both wideband (<a href="http://www.zipdx.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.zipdx.com</a>) and traditional (<a href="http://www.talkshoe.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkshoe.com</a>) conference bridges. Thus our podcasts serve as examples of the difference between old skool PSTN and better.</p>
<p>Happilt, ounterpath is about to release a new retail version of their Eyebeam soft phone for Windows that will also be G.722 capable. I&#8217;ve been using a pre-release vresion for the past week and it&#8217;s excellent.</p>
<p>We need to not only demand better, but also do something about it. Use wideband IP telephony where possible, and push for better where it&#8217;s not offered.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken the tech</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken the tech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes, the voice quality isn&#039;t so important but can make a difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, the voice quality isn&#8217;t so important but can make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Graves On SOHO VoIP &#187; FWD&#8217;s Dan Berninger On HDVoice</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Graves On SOHO VoIP &#187; FWD&#8217;s Dan Berninger On HDVoice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] has a nice guest post by FWD&#8217;s Dan Berninger. Dan describes the benefits of wideband voice encoding, as well as the obstacles to its more [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Berninger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Berninger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jesse &amp; Derek:

There exists no end a debate about which factors have the greatest impact on voice quality or the voice quality required for a given context.  The column makes a very simple point...we need to do better!  A world where telephone network voice quality remains static for 50 years represents a crazy anomaly in our supposed technologically advanced society.  A tremendous amount of information available in face to face conversations gets dropped above and below the 3.4khz pass band of &quot;toll quality voice&quot;.  This has really productivity consequences for society.  Yes, deal with jitter.  Yes, deal with noise and stop making excuses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse &amp; Derek:</p>
<p>There exists no end a debate about which factors have the greatest impact on voice quality or the voice quality required for a given context.  The column makes a very simple point&#8230;we need to do better!  A world where telephone network voice quality remains static for 50 years represents a crazy anomaly in our supposed technologically advanced society.  A tremendous amount of information available in face to face conversations gets dropped above and below the 3.4khz pass band of &#8220;toll quality voice&#8221;.  This has really productivity consequences for society.  Yes, deal with jitter.  Yes, deal with noise and stop making excuses.</p>
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