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		<title>By: HP&#8217;s Transition to the Cloud Will Cost 9,000 Jobs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HP&#8217;s Transition to the Cloud Will Cost 9,000 Jobs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] this effort will be tied to automating its data centers, and appears to be an effort to deliver on HP&#8217;s vision of cloud computing. From the SEC filing noting the charge: As part of this multi-year transformation plan, HP intends [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this effort will be tied to automating its data centers, and appears to be an effort to deliver on HP&#8217;s vision of cloud computing. From the SEC filing noting the charge: As part of this multi-year transformation plan, HP intends [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cloud Computing is &#34;depressingly&#34; similar to SOA &#124; SOA Governance - Service Oriented Architecture - SOA Business - SOA Design - SOA Services - SOA Software - SOA Solutions - SOA Security - SOA Web Service</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cloud Computing is &#34;depressingly&#34; similar to SOA &#124; SOA Governance - Service Oriented Architecture - SOA Business - SOA Design - SOA Services - SOA Software - SOA Solutions - SOA Security - SOA Web Service]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] read. In it he references an ancient (Feb 17, 2009) article by Stacey Higginbotham entitled, &#8220;HP Confines the Cloud for Enterprises,&#8221; in which she wrote up HP&#8217;s strategy announcement on Cloud Computing. In particular, [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] read. In it he references an ancient (Feb 17, 2009) article by Stacey Higginbotham entitled, &#8220;HP Confines the Cloud for Enterprises,&#8221; in which she wrote up HP&#8217;s strategy announcement on Cloud Computing. In particular, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hey, IT Staff, Get Off My Cloud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hey, IT Staff, Get Off My Cloud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] it is more likely embracing the concept of delivering IT as a service from a single resource pool espoused by HP rather than the multi-tenant, Amazon-like model of cloud computing. But the article addresses a big [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it is more likely embracing the concept of delivering IT as a service from a single resource pool espoused by HP rather than the multi-tenant, Amazon-like model of cloud computing. But the article addresses a big [...]</p>
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		<title>By: IBM Finally Gives Cloud Its Blessing</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/17/hp-confines-the-cloud-for-enterprises/#comment-161402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IBM Finally Gives Cloud Its Blessing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] way we see it, IBM&#8217;s announcement is precisely what HP has been talking about: automation of tasks and the idea that for enterprises, cloud computing is less about offloading [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] way we see it, IBM&#8217;s announcement is precisely what HP has been talking about: automation of tasks and the idea that for enterprises, cloud computing is less about offloading [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hewlett-Packard&#8217;s Russ Daniels discusses his company&#8217;s approach to the Cloud &#124; Paul Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hewlett-Packard&#8217;s Russ Daniels discusses his company&#8217;s approach to the Cloud &#124; Paul Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: HP i cloud computing = SOA &#124; soablog.pl</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/17/hp-confines-the-cloud-for-enterprises/#comment-161400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HP i cloud computing = SOA &#124; soablog.pl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] artykuł Stacey Higginbotham : Zgodnie z tym co twierdzi HP, idea cloud computingu jest akceptowalna jako [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Service-Oriented Architecture mobile edition</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Service-Oriented Architecture mobile edition]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] computing  Stacey Higginbotham, a commentator for GigaOm, recently remarked that a recent HP tutorial on cloud computing was &quot;depressingly similar to the idea of service [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Rise of the Mega Data Center &#171; JCurve</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/17/hp-confines-the-cloud-for-enterprises/#comment-161398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Rise of the Mega Data Center &#171; JCurve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] computing systems that combine multiple CPUs with expensive networking equipment. In a  webinar held Wednesday, Russ Daniels, CTO of Cloud Strategy Services at Hewlett-Packard, explained some of the differences to one of the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] computing systems that combine multiple CPUs with expensive networking equipment. In a  webinar held Wednesday, Russ Daniels, CTO of Cloud Strategy Services at Hewlett-Packard, explained some of the differences to one of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Rise of the Mega Data Center</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/17/hp-confines-the-cloud-for-enterprises/#comment-161397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Rise of the Mega Data Center]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 05:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] computing systems that combine multiple CPUs with expensive networking equipment. In a  webinar held Wednesday, Russ Daniels, CTO of Cloud Strategy Services at Hewlett-Packard, explained some of the differences to one of the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] computing systems that combine multiple CPUs with expensive networking equipment. In a  webinar held Wednesday, Russ Daniels, CTO of Cloud Strategy Services at Hewlett-Packard, explained some of the differences to one of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cloud Computing Is a Tool, Not a Strategy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/17/hp-confines-the-cloud-for-enterprises/#comment-161396</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cloud Computing Is a Tool, Not a Strategy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  &#124; Thursday, February 19, 2009 &#124; 4:00 PM PT &#124; 0 comments    This week I&#8217;m listening in on HP talk to some of its customers about cloud computing. Today&#8217;s webinar was a pretty good overview of how enterprises should think about using the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  | Thursday, February 19, 2009 | 4:00 PM PT | 0 comments    This week I&#8217;m listening in on HP talk to some of its customers about cloud computing. Today&#8217;s webinar was a pretty good overview of how enterprises should think about using the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Talking about Data and the Cloud at TTI/Vanguard, San Diego &#124; Paul Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Talking about Data and the Cloud at TTI/Vanguard, San Diego &#124; Paul Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cloud Droplets #61- Startup Riots &#124; IT Management and Cloud Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cloud Droplets #61- Startup Riots &#124; IT Management and Cloud Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] HP and the Cloud  [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: rebecca lawson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/17/hp-confines-the-cloud-for-enterprises/#comment-161393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rebecca lawson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, at HP we don’t advocate using the term “private cloud” at all. We think it muddies the water.

Best way to look at this is through examples: Companies like FaceBook or eBay or name-your-cloud-service-provider have designed their multi-tenant services around a certain kind workload can that scale like crazy, built on a highly integrated (and often propriety) infrastructure stack that is designed push resiliency up into the software layer. This lets them use really inexpensive, commoditized components that can fail without bringing the whole service down. And, the multi-tenant software lets them avoid the costs associated with running multiple software instances (the ASP model).

Contrast this with a typical enterprise, let’s say a multi-national manufacturing concern, who needs to execute a multitude of different workload types (think: supply chain, ERP, collaboration, etc) mostly inside their firewall, but of course accommodating supply chain partners, customer etc. It would be smart for this company to virtualize and automate their servers/storage/network as much as possible, consolidate app instances and the like. It would also be smart to provide their internal infrastructure as a service, so that they can efficiently provision configure-to-order infrastructure for their internal constitutions. They might also choose to use outsourced or hosting partners for this internally-consumed infrastructure.

But by no means would they construct the same kind of single-purpose, massive scale out, global-class infrastructure as the big cloud service companies. It’s apples and oranges.

The market wants to call both of these things “cloud” which causes the confusion.

So, HP has settled on distinguishing global-class services (you might call it cloud-class services) from enterprise-class services. Both are necessary, both serve different purposes, both will live on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, at HP we don’t advocate using the term “private cloud” at all. We think it muddies the water.</p>
<p>Best way to look at this is through examples: Companies like FaceBook or eBay or name-your-cloud-service-provider have designed their multi-tenant services around a certain kind workload can that scale like crazy, built on a highly integrated (and often propriety) infrastructure stack that is designed push resiliency up into the software layer. This lets them use really inexpensive, commoditized components that can fail without bringing the whole service down. And, the multi-tenant software lets them avoid the costs associated with running multiple software instances (the ASP model).</p>
<p>Contrast this with a typical enterprise, let’s say a multi-national manufacturing concern, who needs to execute a multitude of different workload types (think: supply chain, ERP, collaboration, etc) mostly inside their firewall, but of course accommodating supply chain partners, customer etc. It would be smart for this company to virtualize and automate their servers/storage/network as much as possible, consolidate app instances and the like. It would also be smart to provide their internal infrastructure as a service, so that they can efficiently provision configure-to-order infrastructure for their internal constitutions. They might also choose to use outsourced or hosting partners for this internally-consumed infrastructure.</p>
<p>But by no means would they construct the same kind of single-purpose, massive scale out, global-class infrastructure as the big cloud service companies. It’s apples and oranges.</p>
<p>The market wants to call both of these things “cloud” which causes the confusion.</p>
<p>So, HP has settled on distinguishing global-class services (you might call it cloud-class services) from enterprise-class services. Both are necessary, both serve different purposes, both will live on.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Steege</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/17/hp-confines-the-cloud-for-enterprises/#comment-161392</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete Steege]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HP&#039;s approach seems more realistic than the &quot;three giant data centers&quot; forecasts we occassionally hear from the cloud giants. Home Depot and Lowe&#039;s have not put my local hardware store out of business. As a matter of fact, they are thriving since they&#039;ve embraced their local, personalized role.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP&#8217;s approach seems more realistic than the &#8220;three giant data centers&#8221; forecasts we occassionally hear from the cloud giants. Home Depot and Lowe&#8217;s have not put my local hardware store out of business. As a matter of fact, they are thriving since they&#8217;ve embraced their local, personalized role.</p>
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		<title>By: MNIC</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/17/hp-confines-the-cloud-for-enterprises/#comment-161391</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MNIC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many enterprises have computing needs that allow them to achieve the level of scale where they can have significant cost savings over current operations by using cloud computing.

I think you&#039;ll find the first virtual machines and hypervisors were first provided by IBM and having more than 40 years of insight into virtualisation might be worth consideration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many enterprises have computing needs that allow them to achieve the level of scale where they can have significant cost savings over current operations by using cloud computing.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ll find the first virtual machines and hypervisors were first provided by IBM and having more than 40 years of insight into virtualisation might be worth consideration.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yuvamani</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yuvamani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am confused (and I think it is the desired effect) of these companies like HP and IBM promising internal enterprise clouds.

Unless you use shared and off-premise (in HP terminology) clouds, You are not going to really rack up the cost saving or any of the advantages of true &quot;cloud computing&quot;

Dedicated and on premise clouds is known by another name: &quot;Virtualization&quot; . Dont go to HP or IBM for that solution, go directly to the source which is VMware, Microsoft or Xen. They will happily sell you virtualisation software and tools to manage them ...

On premise shared clouds are hard to implement. Who are you going to share the data centre with and why is this any more &quot;secure&quot; than hosting your application on Amazon in the first place ??

The only market with promise which has not fully been attacked is the off premise dedicated clouds. This is essentially the same as creating a cloud with a firewall in it blanketing everybody else from those machines ... For cloud vendors like Amazon, Azure - Implementing that technology will be key to getting Enterprises on your platform anyway ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused (and I think it is the desired effect) of these companies like HP and IBM promising internal enterprise clouds.</p>
<p>Unless you use shared and off-premise (in HP terminology) clouds, You are not going to really rack up the cost saving or any of the advantages of true &#8220;cloud computing&#8221;</p>
<p>Dedicated and on premise clouds is known by another name: &#8220;Virtualization&#8221; . Dont go to HP or IBM for that solution, go directly to the source which is VMware, Microsoft or Xen. They will happily sell you virtualisation software and tools to manage them &#8230;</p>
<p>On premise shared clouds are hard to implement. Who are you going to share the data centre with and why is this any more &#8220;secure&#8221; than hosting your application on Amazon in the first place ??</p>
<p>The only market with promise which has not fully been attacked is the off premise dedicated clouds. This is essentially the same as creating a cloud with a firewall in it blanketing everybody else from those machines &#8230; For cloud vendors like Amazon, Azure &#8211; Implementing that technology will be key to getting Enterprises on your platform anyway &#8230;</p>
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