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		<title>By: Could Apple Be Your Next Phone Company?: Tech News and Analysis &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Could Apple Be Your Next Phone Company?: Tech News and Analysis &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] hop on and off its network in exchange for a chunk of the revenue those high-data users provide. Sprint, for example has talked about embracing such a wholesale model in the past. LightSquared, which hopes to build a wholesale LTE network in the U.S., is another [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hop on and off its network in exchange for a chunk of the revenue those high-data users provide. Sprint, for example has talked about embracing such a wholesale model in the past. LightSquared, which hopes to build a wholesale LTE network in the U.S., is another [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Where Can WiMAX Catch a Break? The Smart Grid</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160105</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Where Can WiMAX Catch a Break? The Smart Grid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] October 22, 2009 &#124; 5:00 AM PT &#124; 0 comments &#124;  20 tweets retweet &#187;      WiMAX might be losing attention and mindshare from telcos in the U.S., but it&#8217;s another story entirely when it comes to that oh-so-buzzy [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] October 22, 2009 | 5:00 AM PT | 0 comments |  20 tweets retweet &#187;      WiMAX might be losing attention and mindshare from telcos in the U.S., but it&#8217;s another story entirely when it comes to that oh-so-buzzy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: HostingDude</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160104</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Aaron Glenn

Now you&#039;re talking about accounting differences -- between an initial fixed cost for setup, and ongoing costs (theoretically variable, but limited by contract) for the DS3.  Thus, there is a point where the greater cost of installation is eclipsed by the savings.

In your example of 24 T1 lines (almost a T3) vs. 1 DS3 line, the monthly cost of DS3 is one-quarter that of the T1 copper, with a $9,000.00 monthly savings.  You can string a LOT of fiber, even (perhaps especially) in a dense metropolitan area, knowing your ongoing costs will be $108,000.00 LESS per fiber line, per annum.

Said another way, you can get a quicker payoff of fixed costs. In more suburban settings or less densely populated areas, sure you&#039;re going to need T1.  But you&#039;ll also find a lot less concrete and steel obstacles to reduce signal.

On the topic in general, Sprint has made a gamble here, and we have yet to see if it will pay off.

As far as selling the pipe, Sprint was right to do so.  Look at the previous market model of telephone long-distance as the market reached maturity. &quot;Pipe&quot; revenues were reduced down almost to the billable cost of 1.x cents per minute.

In cellular, the same will come true as the market matures. The revenues will NOT be in the pipe.  They will be in the service provider and content.  Sprint has had to make up for some blunders with cutbacks that affect customer service, but that can be rectified.

Just the allure of being the only 4g network got me doing my research on how to get a phone supporting it, which led me to this page.  And I&#039;m a T-Mobile (Blackberry) business customer who depends heavily on UMA to lower our costs.  So Sprint has a hook with 4g, and with its packaged program at $99.  If they can ramp up the customer service quality to keep customers they snag with these lures, they&#039;ll be fine.

Mobile customers don&#039;t switch carriers month-by-month.  There are such a thing as service contracts, and such a thing as constant introduction of new and updated phones which carriers provide free or at discount to entice current customers to renew. Thus if Sprint can gain a bigger footprint by concentrating on marketing and customer service, they have a fairly decent fighting chance of making this work.

I do not count Sprint out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aaron Glenn</p>
<p>Now you&#8217;re talking about accounting differences &#8212; between an initial fixed cost for setup, and ongoing costs (theoretically variable, but limited by contract) for the DS3.  Thus, there is a point where the greater cost of installation is eclipsed by the savings.</p>
<p>In your example of 24 T1 lines (almost a T3) vs. 1 DS3 line, the monthly cost of DS3 is one-quarter that of the T1 copper, with a $9,000.00 monthly savings.  You can string a LOT of fiber, even (perhaps especially) in a dense metropolitan area, knowing your ongoing costs will be $108,000.00 LESS per fiber line, per annum.</p>
<p>Said another way, you can get a quicker payoff of fixed costs. In more suburban settings or less densely populated areas, sure you&#8217;re going to need T1.  But you&#8217;ll also find a lot less concrete and steel obstacles to reduce signal.</p>
<p>On the topic in general, Sprint has made a gamble here, and we have yet to see if it will pay off.</p>
<p>As far as selling the pipe, Sprint was right to do so.  Look at the previous market model of telephone long-distance as the market reached maturity. &#8220;Pipe&#8221; revenues were reduced down almost to the billable cost of 1.x cents per minute.</p>
<p>In cellular, the same will come true as the market matures. The revenues will NOT be in the pipe.  They will be in the service provider and content.  Sprint has had to make up for some blunders with cutbacks that affect customer service, but that can be rectified.</p>
<p>Just the allure of being the only 4g network got me doing my research on how to get a phone supporting it, which led me to this page.  And I&#8217;m a T-Mobile (Blackberry) business customer who depends heavily on UMA to lower our costs.  So Sprint has a hook with 4g, and with its packaged program at $99.  If they can ramp up the customer service quality to keep customers they snag with these lures, they&#8217;ll be fine.</p>
<p>Mobile customers don&#8217;t switch carriers month-by-month.  There are such a thing as service contracts, and such a thing as constant introduction of new and updated phones which carriers provide free or at discount to entice current customers to renew. Thus if Sprint can gain a bigger footprint by concentrating on marketing and customer service, they have a fairly decent fighting chance of making this work.</p>
<p>I do not count Sprint out.</p>
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		<title>By: How ISPs Can Survive Becoming Dumb Pipes</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How ISPs Can Survive Becoming Dumb Pipes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 16:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] outsource-the-network strategy, although India&#8217;s Bharti has outsourced its network as well. Sprint got rid of its 4G network through a partnership deal with Clearwire, and it&#8217;s also reportedly in talks to outsource its [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] outsource-the-network strategy, although India&#8217;s Bharti has outsourced its network as well. Sprint got rid of its 4G network through a partnership deal with Clearwire, and it&#8217;s also reportedly in talks to outsource its [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160102</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 12:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are two blurbs about the use of MW backhaul for the Clearwire network:

http://www.unstrung.com/blog.asp?blog_sectionid=414&amp;doc_id=165037

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090304-714762.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are two blurbs about the use of MW backhaul for the Clearwire network:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.unstrung.com/blog.asp?blog_sectionid=414&#038;doc_id=165037" rel="nofollow">http://www.unstrung.com/blog.asp?blog_sectionid=414&#038;doc_id=165037</a></p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090304-714762.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090304-714762.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 12:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t Clearwire state that it uses all microwave backhaul?  I read about Dragonwave radios with 80Mbps or so links.  What was used on Portland?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t Clearwire state that it uses all microwave backhaul?  I read about Dragonwave radios with 80Mbps or so links.  What was used on Portland?</p>
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		<title>By: Can Outsourcing Its Network Save Sprint?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160100</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can Outsourcing Its Network Save Sprint?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The deal, if agreed to, would see Sprint pay Ericsson $2 billion in return for a 20 percent reduction in network costs. Part of those cost savings would likely come from shifting between 5,000 and 7,000 service employees to Ericsson. In what has become a frequent refrain, Sprint insiders told the newspaper the move would allow the carrier to concentrate on &#8220;product development, marketing and strategic partnerships.&#8221; Earlier this year, Sprint handed off its 4G WiMAX network to Clearwire to concentrate less on the pipe and more on products. In February, we described the action as Sprint&#8217;s Dumb Pipe Dream. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The deal, if agreed to, would see Sprint pay Ericsson $2 billion in return for a 20 percent reduction in network costs. Part of those cost savings would likely come from shifting between 5,000 and 7,000 service employees to Ericsson. In what has become a frequent refrain, Sprint insiders told the newspaper the move would allow the carrier to concentrate on &#8220;product development, marketing and strategic partnerships.&#8221; Earlier this year, Sprint handed off its 4G WiMAX network to Clearwire to concentrate less on the pipe and more on products. In February, we described the action as Sprint&#8217;s Dumb Pipe Dream. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sprint Evaluating LTE Equipment</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sprint Evaluating LTE Equipment]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] being said, Sprint does face some hard choices about its future without its own 4G network, and it may also be leaving a door open on an LTE future with Clearwire. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] being said, Sprint does face some hard choices about its future without its own 4G network, and it may also be leaving a door open on an LTE future with Clearwire. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: U.S. Wireless Data Revenue on the Brink</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[U.S. Wireless Data Revenue on the Brink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] central to some people&#8217;s lives. For that, we need innovation. Apple, some handset makers and certain carriers are offering that, but will the rest of the industry take them up on [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] central to some people&#8217;s lives. For that, we need innovation. Apple, some handset makers and certain carriers are offering that, but will the rest of the industry take them up on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: State of WiMAX: Will Huawei Win It All?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[State of WiMAX: Will Huawei Win It All?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Malik  &#124; Sunday, March 1, 2009 &#124; 10:00 PM PT &#124; 0 comments     WiMAX, despite losing attention and mindshare in the U.S., seems to be thriving across the planet. Business Standard, an Indian newspaper, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Malik  | Sunday, March 1, 2009 | 10:00 PM PT | 0 comments     WiMAX, despite losing attention and mindshare in the U.S., seems to be thriving across the planet. Business Standard, an Indian newspaper, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Telstra&#8217;s Planned App Store Is a Shift for Carriers</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160096</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Telstra&#8217;s Planned App Store Is a Shift for Carriers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] their tune after seeing the success of the Apple App Store (and likely fearing the relegation to dumb pipe status). As a result, he thinks the carriers will snap up the opportunity to build their own stores [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] their tune after seeing the success of the Apple App Store (and likely fearing the relegation to dumb pipe status). As a result, he thinks the carriers will snap up the opportunity to build their own stores [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sprint Loses Less Money, More Subscribers</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sprint Loses Less Money, More Subscribers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] losses, (it plans to cut 8,000 jobs) and it&#8217;s unclear if the launch of the Palm Pre phone, the Clear WiMAX network and a competitive prepaid calling plan can save [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] losses, (it plans to cut 8,000 jobs) and it&#8217;s unclear if the launch of the Palm Pre phone, the Clear WiMAX network and a competitive prepaid calling plan can save [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Glenn</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Glenn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jesse Kopelman

It&#039;s much easier (read: cheaper) to carry 24 T1s over copper back to the CO than run a 750ft DS3 to a fiber drop and OCn MUX. I much prefer your ideal world of &#039;why not get a DS3 instead!&#039; though, believe me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jesse Kopelman</p>
<p>It&#8217;s much easier (read: cheaper) to carry 24 T1s over copper back to the CO than run a 750ft DS3 to a fiber drop and OCn MUX. I much prefer your ideal world of &#8216;why not get a DS3 instead!&#8217; though, believe me.</p>
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		<title>By: techboy2000</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[techboy2000]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When will this nationwide Wimax network be completed?  Who is going to create intriguing devices for a non-existent network?  Who is going to create intriguing devices for Wimax even if a network is created?  Vendors will create the best wireless devices for networks with the biggest subscriber base (AT&amp;T and Verizon).  AT&amp;T and Verizon are going LTE.  All non-third world countries are going LTE.  Game over.
Sprint needs to drop Wimax ASAP.
I like Anonymous&#039; line &quot;Does anyone do simple math anymore?&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will this nationwide Wimax network be completed?  Who is going to create intriguing devices for a non-existent network?  Who is going to create intriguing devices for Wimax even if a network is created?  Vendors will create the best wireless devices for networks with the biggest subscriber base (AT&amp;T and Verizon).  AT&amp;T and Verizon are going LTE.  All non-third world countries are going LTE.  Game over.<br />
Sprint needs to drop Wimax ASAP.<br />
I like Anonymous&#8217; line &#8220;Does anyone do simple math anymore?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Our Readers Take on the LTE v. WiMAX Debate</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Our Readers Take on the LTE v. WiMAX Debate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]    When I wrote last week about Sprint giving up control of its 4G future, my post engendered a lively debate among some of our commenters about the technical merits of LTE and WiMAX. Since most of our readers aren&#8217;t planning a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]    When I wrote last week about Sprint giving up control of its 4G future, my post engendered a lively debate among some of our commenters about the technical merits of LTE and WiMAX. Since most of our readers aren&#8217;t planning a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Hall</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/02/05/sprints-dumb-pipe-dream/#comment-160091</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stacey Higginbotham brings up an interesting point. If wireless carriers’ networks are barely able to handle the stress of increased data consumption from mobile phones, how can they be expected to support anything beyond that? Data traffic over tier-one networks is growing at 10-15% per month, with 1% or 2% of users generating up to 50% of the total volume. The rapid adoption of high-end smartphones like the iPhone and the avid consumption of video and other data-intensive applications will further accelerate this growth. It has become critical for operators to strengthen their existing network infrastructure in order to stay competitive and profitable. By increasing network efficiency and capacity, and intelligently controlling service selection, operators can cost-effectively manage the effects of continued traffic growth within the footprint of their existing installation and scale their networks ahead of the data curve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacey Higginbotham brings up an interesting point. If wireless carriers’ networks are barely able to handle the stress of increased data consumption from mobile phones, how can they be expected to support anything beyond that? Data traffic over tier-one networks is growing at 10-15% per month, with 1% or 2% of users generating up to 50% of the total volume. The rapid adoption of high-end smartphones like the iPhone and the avid consumption of video and other data-intensive applications will further accelerate this growth. It has become critical for operators to strengthen their existing network infrastructure in order to stay competitive and profitable. By increasing network efficiency and capacity, and intelligently controlling service selection, operators can cost-effectively manage the effects of continued traffic growth within the footprint of their existing installation and scale their networks ahead of the data curve.</p>
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