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		<title>By: BotchagalupeMarks for March 21st - 00:15 &#124; IT Management and Cloud Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BotchagalupeMarks for March 21st - 00:15 &#124; IT Management and Cloud Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Web Infrastructure And a Startup Funding Manifesto - [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Web 2.0 Is Dead; Long Live Web 2.0 &#124; Tom Keller</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/01/11/fail-fast-a-startup-funding-manifesto/#comment-928844</link>
		<dc:creator>Web 2.0 Is Dead; Long Live Web 2.0 &#124; Tom Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] http://gigaom.com/2009/01/11/fail-fast-a-startup-funding-manifesto/  Tags: Entrepreneurialism &gt; Internet [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://gigaom.com/2009/01/11/fail-fast-a-startup-funding-manifesto/" rel="nofollow">http://gigaom.com/2009/01/11/fail-fast-a-startup-funding-manifesto/</a>  Tags: Entrepreneurialism &gt; Internet [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Paul Wall</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/01/11/fail-fast-a-startup-funding-manifesto/#comment-923144</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting read.  However, as neither author has actually worked at a startup, I worry the prospective might be a tad inaccurate.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting read.  However, as neither author has actually worked at a startup, I worry the prospective might be a tad inaccurate.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: &#187; If you are Not Failing, You are not innovating. Ask BINC : The BINC Blog: Ask BINC</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/01/11/fail-fast-a-startup-funding-manifesto/#comment-921724</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; If you are Not Failing, You are not innovating. Ask BINC : The BINC Blog: Ask BINC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] least that is what the writers of GigaOm say in their post about web infrastructure and getting funding for your startup.   “Scientists [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Kristoffer Sheather</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/01/11/fail-fast-a-startup-funding-manifesto/#comment-921695</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristoffer Sheather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unless your a startup cloud provider that is.. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Links From This Week &#124; Andrew Hyde - Humble Yet Bold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links From This Week &#124; Andrew Hyde - Humble Yet Bold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Web Infrastructure And a Startup Funding Manifesto Benjamin Black&#8217;s great piece on startups. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Ranjit Nayak</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/01/11/fail-fast-a-startup-funding-manifesto/#comment-921487</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranjit Nayak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very interesting observations for all entreprenuers and investors. It seems like the common sense approach - using leased infrastructure. I would be surprised if startups decide to build their own data centers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting observations for all entreprenuers and investors. It seems like the common sense approach &#8211; using leased infrastructure. I would be surprised if startups decide to build their own data centers.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Black</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/01/11/fail-fast-a-startup-funding-manifesto/#comment-921483</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the thoughtful response, Adam.  I&#039;ll take your points in order:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) You are absolutely right that, for sophisticated apps/sites, you need a capable operations staff.  For apps that can run on the more abstracted stacks, like AppEngine, though, there can be little need for additional operations folk.  Fitting within the length target for the article meant focusing on one aspect of the total problem.  Perhaps we can do another about operations.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) While you can certainly get started on a DSL line and a machine under your desk, the cloud is far more attractive, in my opinion.  The costs are usually quite small to start and the availability and scalability advantages are enormous.  Bootstrapping doesn&#039;t have to mean skimping on infrastructure, anymore.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3) Force.com could be seen as expensive.  It could also be seen as incredibly cheap because there is no capex and no large, up front software investment.  If something is not part of your core business, outsourcing it can be a big win.  Hence, force.com.  Please remember that there is no free lunch: complexity doesn&#039;t disappear by moving to cloud offerings, it just moves up the stack where it can be more easily and cheaply managed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4) AppEngine had to start somewhere and, since Google has incredible depth in Python that&#039;s what they chose.  I don&#039;t expect they&#039;ll stay Python-only and I absolutely agree with their logic.  Go with what you know, then work out from there.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;5) There is, indeed, no kicking the cloud.  I see that as a good thing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;bb&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughtful response, Adam.  I&#8217;ll take your points in order:</p>

<p>1) You are absolutely right that, for sophisticated apps/sites, you need a capable operations staff.  For apps that can run on the more abstracted stacks, like AppEngine, though, there can be little need for additional operations folk.  Fitting within the length target for the article meant focusing on one aspect of the total problem.  Perhaps we can do another about operations.</p>

<p>2) While you can certainly get started on a DSL line and a machine under your desk, the cloud is far more attractive, in my opinion.  The costs are usually quite small to start and the availability and scalability advantages are enormous.  Bootstrapping doesn&#8217;t have to mean skimping on infrastructure, anymore.</p>

<p>3) Force.com could be seen as expensive.  It could also be seen as incredibly cheap because there is no capex and no large, up front software investment.  If something is not part of your core business, outsourcing it can be a big win.  Hence, force.com.  Please remember that there is no free lunch: complexity doesn&#8217;t disappear by moving to cloud offerings, it just moves up the stack where it can be more easily and cheaply managed.</p>

<p>4) AppEngine had to start somewhere and, since Google has incredible depth in Python that&#8217;s what they chose.  I don&#8217;t expect they&#8217;ll stay Python-only and I absolutely agree with their logic.  Go with what you know, then work out from there.</p>

<p>5) There is, indeed, no kicking the cloud.  I see that as a good thing.</p>

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		<title>By: 2008: The Birth of the Cloud? &#124; KillerBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>2008: The Birth of the Cloud? &#124; KillerBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] was reading something very interesting in GigaOM, and I would like to share it with you. 2008 wasn’t a good year economy-wise, but it might be a [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: TechLang</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/01/11/fail-fast-a-startup-funding-manifesto/#comment-921422</link>
		<dc:creator>TechLang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting, but to find out a great team should be a big problem&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, but to find out a great team should be a big problem</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ifindkarma</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/01/11/fail-fast-a-startup-funding-manifesto/#comment-921388</link>
		<dc:creator>ifindkarma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Benjamin. Good article.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, you fail to point out that...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) OF COURSE you still need great operations engineers, even if you&#039;re running completely on the cloud. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) Plentyoffish.com ran on Markus Frind&#039;s desktop machine and an Internet connection for lord-knows-how-long. Probably way longer than anyone reasonable would do so. But still, it goes to show you that even cloud computing is overkill for most projects. Get yourself a DSL line and a static IP address, and you can get started.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.inc.com/magazine/20090101/and-the-money-comes-rolling-in.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3) The pricing of Force.com is unbelievably expensive. Plus, it just pushes the hassles to a different layer of the stack.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4) Google App Engine only lets me write apps in Python 2.5. Exsqueeze me? Baking power? How about PHP, Ruby, Java, Perl, or (gulp!) C#? Or will they gladly kick me over to Amazon and/or Microsoft for those applications which represent, oh I don&#039;t know, like 99.999% of all web traffic?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;5) I like hardware because I can kick it. There&#039;s no kicking the cloud, man.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;^_^&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Benjamin. Good article.</p>

<p>However, you fail to point out that&#8230;</p>

<p>1) OF COURSE you still need great operations engineers, even if you&#8217;re running completely on the cloud. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something.</p>

<p>2) Plentyoffish.com ran on Markus Frind&#8217;s desktop machine and an Internet connection for lord-knows-how-long. Probably way longer than anyone reasonable would do so. But still, it goes to show you that even cloud computing is overkill for most projects. Get yourself a DSL line and a static IP address, and you can get started.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.inc.com/magazine/20090101/and-the-money-comes-rolling-in.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.inc.com/magazine/20090101/and-the-money-comes-rolling-in.html</a></p>

<p>3) The pricing of Force.com is unbelievably expensive. Plus, it just pushes the hassles to a different layer of the stack.</p>

<p>4) Google App Engine only lets me write apps in Python 2.5. Exsqueeze me? Baking power? How about PHP, Ruby, Java, Perl, or (gulp!) C#? Or will they gladly kick me over to Amazon and/or Microsoft for those applications which represent, oh I don&#8217;t know, like 99.999% of all web traffic?</p>

<p>5) I like hardware because I can kick it. There&#8217;s no kicking the cloud, man.</p>

<p>^_^</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;infrastructure troublemaker&quot; is an understatement, as is the scope of the management chain he leaves behind angry&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;infrastructure troublemaker&#8221; is an understatement, as is the scope of the management chain he leaves behind angry</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2009/01/11/fail-fast-a-startup-funding-manifesto/#comment-921371</link>
		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Classic = &quot;Benjamin Black is an infrastructure troublemaker who has blazed a trail of game-changing technology, leaving behind angry execs at Joyent, Microsoft, Amazon, and Internap. Vijay Gill builds networks and infrastructure&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic = &#8220;Benjamin Black is an infrastructure troublemaker who has blazed a trail of game-changing technology, leaving behind angry execs at Joyent, Microsoft, Amazon, and Internap. Vijay Gill builds networks and infrastructure&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very well said. This article puts everything I&#039;ve experienced over the past ten years in perspective; spot on. Big opportunities are in front of us.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said. This article puts everything I&#8217;ve experienced over the past ten years in perspective; spot on. Big opportunities are in front of us.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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