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		<title>By: Stat Shot: Google’s Growing Infrastructure Advantage &#124; Yooxe</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stat Shot: Google’s Growing Infrastructure Advantage &#124; Yooxe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] increased its direct peering, and through the use of its own content caching appliances located at ISPs around the world, it has cut out middlemen like Level 3 or Bandwidth.com. Are Yahoo and Microsoft taking [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] increased its direct peering, and through the use of its own content caching appliances located at ISPs around the world, it has cut out middlemen like Level 3 or Bandwidth.com. Are Yahoo and Microsoft taking [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stat Shot: Google&#8217;s Growing Infrastructure Advantage &#8211; GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stat Shot: Google&#8217;s Growing Infrastructure Advantage &#8211; GigaOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] increased its direct peering, and through the use of its own content caching appliances located at ISPs around the world, it has cut out middlemen like Level 3 or Bandwidth.com. Are Yahoo and Microsoft taking [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] increased its direct peering, and through the use of its own content caching appliances located at ISPs around the world, it has cut out middlemen like Level 3 or Bandwidth.com. Are Yahoo and Microsoft taking [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fornecedores que bloqueiam BitTorrent: tremei! O Google está de olho em vocês! &#124; Remixtures</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fornecedores que bloqueiam BitTorrent: tremei! O Google está de olho em vocês! &#124; Remixtures]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Lessig como também foi desmentido pela Google no blog da empresa. Na verdade, o OpenEdge apenas abrange a assinatura de acordos não exclusivos com as operadoras para a implementação de tecnologia de [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lessig como também foi desmentido pela Google no blog da empresa. Na verdade, o OpenEdge apenas abrange a assinatura de acordos não exclusivos com as operadoras para a implementação de tecnologia de [...]</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A different spin on Net Neutrality...

http://the-anti-google-baloney.blogspot.com/2008/12/different-spin-by-citizenanon.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A different spin on Net Neutrality&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://the-anti-google-baloney.blogspot.com/2008/12/different-spin-by-citizenanon.html" rel="nofollow">http://the-anti-google-baloney.blogspot.com/2008/12/different-spin-by-citizenanon.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Google Battles ISPs With Technology</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155326</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Google Battles ISPs With Technology]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Google doesn&#8217;t want to have to bow to the ISPs, and the last mile is one key section of its infrastructure it doesn&#8217;t yet control.    [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Google doesn&#8217;t want to have to bow to the ISPs, and the last mile is one key section of its infrastructure it doesn&#8217;t yet control.    [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Net Neutrality - No More? &#124; Network Industry Review</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Net Neutrality - No More? &#124; Network Industry Review]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] quotes Om Malik&#8217;s &#8220;With Google’s Money and Infrastructure, Does Net Neutrality Really Matter?&#8221; by getting carriers to connect directly to via OpenEdge, consumers are able to better [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] quotes Om Malik&#8217;s &#8220;With Google’s Money and Infrastructure, Does Net Neutrality Really Matter?&#8221; by getting carriers to connect directly to via OpenEdge, consumers are able to better [...]</p>
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		<title>By: les madras</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155324</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[les madras]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there is a huge difference between a CDN like Akamai and what Google wants to do.  When the same content needs to be distributed to a large number of users, a CDN moves that content to the &quot;edge&quot; for efficient distribution.  What Google wants to do is to move its database to the edge so that it can deliver dynamic and personalized content much faster than anyone else.

It is fine for the networks to charge extra for this placement, but only as long as this does not slow down those who cannot pay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is a huge difference between a CDN like Akamai and what Google wants to do.  When the same content needs to be distributed to a large number of users, a CDN moves that content to the &#8220;edge&#8221; for efficient distribution.  What Google wants to do is to move its database to the edge so that it can deliver dynamic and personalized content much faster than anyone else.</p>
<p>It is fine for the networks to charge extra for this placement, but only as long as this does not slow down those who cannot pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Small Webmaster</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Small Webmaster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google&#039;s edge caching is anticompetitive. To see this, you just have to take off the doctrinaire glasses of the &quot;network neutrality&quot; activists, who are myopically focused on the pipes and on bashing and regulating ISPs (and are also mostly funded by Google).

Think about it. It&#039;s obvious that Google will be able to place an edge cache at the site of any ISP it wants, probably for free. Why? Because YouTube and its related services consume SO much bandwidth that the ISP would be crazy to say no. The ISP would surely save big on its backbone connection. Terabytes per month on YouTube alone. That&#039;s money in the bank right there. And service would be faster, too.

But would an ISP allow just any content provider to put a cache at its sites, for free or even for money? Doubtful. Caches take up space and power and require access for maintenance. The ISP needs to be strongly motivated, by big bandwidth savings, even to consider it. And only big companies like Google have that to offer. If a small Internet startup were to call your local cable company and ask for &quot;co-location space,&quot; the person there would probably say, &quot;That’s not a product we sell to the public.&quot; That is, if the person who answered the phone at the cable company even knew what it was.

And of course, would-be competitors of Google won’t be able to buy space on Google’s private edge caches.

So, in what way is this neutral? Google can get its servers into places where CoolNewInternetGarageStartup.com can’t, and can make its services more responsive than the startup&#039;s. Therefore, Google is indeed getting preferential access to infrastructure. It’s just that the infrastructure happens to be co-location space instead of pipes. And it has a big advantage there, because co-location is much more difficult to obtain than bandwidth. You can get any Internet carrier to sell you a pipe. But co-location space at ISPs, which is more cost-effective than buying pipes, isn’t necessarily even available to you unless you’re Google. So this is really, really anticompetitive. And how could anyone say it was &quot;neutral?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google&#8217;s edge caching is anticompetitive. To see this, you just have to take off the doctrinaire glasses of the &#8220;network neutrality&#8221; activists, who are myopically focused on the pipes and on bashing and regulating ISPs (and are also mostly funded by Google).</p>
<p>Think about it. It&#8217;s obvious that Google will be able to place an edge cache at the site of any ISP it wants, probably for free. Why? Because YouTube and its related services consume SO much bandwidth that the ISP would be crazy to say no. The ISP would surely save big on its backbone connection. Terabytes per month on YouTube alone. That&#8217;s money in the bank right there. And service would be faster, too.</p>
<p>But would an ISP allow just any content provider to put a cache at its sites, for free or even for money? Doubtful. Caches take up space and power and require access for maintenance. The ISP needs to be strongly motivated, by big bandwidth savings, even to consider it. And only big companies like Google have that to offer. If a small Internet startup were to call your local cable company and ask for &#8220;co-location space,&#8221; the person there would probably say, &#8220;That’s not a product we sell to the public.&#8221; That is, if the person who answered the phone at the cable company even knew what it was.</p>
<p>And of course, would-be competitors of Google won’t be able to buy space on Google’s private edge caches.</p>
<p>So, in what way is this neutral? Google can get its servers into places where CoolNewInternetGarageStartup.com can’t, and can make its services more responsive than the startup&#8217;s. Therefore, Google is indeed getting preferential access to infrastructure. It’s just that the infrastructure happens to be co-location space instead of pipes. And it has a big advantage there, because co-location is much more difficult to obtain than bandwidth. You can get any Internet carrier to sell you a pipe. But co-location space at ISPs, which is more cost-effective than buying pipes, isn’t necessarily even available to you unless you’re Google. So this is really, really anticompetitive. And how could anyone say it was &#8220;neutral?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Walsh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Walsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank You, Google

As its apologists contort themselves in logical knots trying to square Google’s move with all that they hold to be true, Google has in fact done us all a great favor. It has exposed the lie behind net neutrality.

Whether Google ever really believed in net neutrality or just saw it as a useful means to foil competitors is immaterial. And while Google’s spokespeople will no doubt continue to toe the party line, Google itself will continue doing what it has been doing since it achieved search domination--leverage its enormous data center and fiber infrastructure to obtain a disproportionate advantage over would-be competitors. Nothing wrong with this dog-eat-dog capitalist behavior but for quite some time that behavior has been cloaked in the feel-good fabric of net neutrality. Now the cloak as been removed.

The laughable part of this whole episode is that many in Washington (both outgoing and incoming) actually believe that important traffic, especially video, travels over the internet. Does anyone think that Apple would trust the delivery of high-definition movies to “the internet”? Of course not. Most of that traffic, from Apple, Yahoo, Google, and others, is distributed to remote storage or caching points over high-speed fiber connections that come with service quality guarantees. In many cases the only thing traveling over “the internet” is the DNS lookup.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You, Google</p>
<p>As its apologists contort themselves in logical knots trying to square Google’s move with all that they hold to be true, Google has in fact done us all a great favor. It has exposed the lie behind net neutrality.</p>
<p>Whether Google ever really believed in net neutrality or just saw it as a useful means to foil competitors is immaterial. And while Google’s spokespeople will no doubt continue to toe the party line, Google itself will continue doing what it has been doing since it achieved search domination&#8211;leverage its enormous data center and fiber infrastructure to obtain a disproportionate advantage over would-be competitors. Nothing wrong with this dog-eat-dog capitalist behavior but for quite some time that behavior has been cloaked in the feel-good fabric of net neutrality. Now the cloak as been removed.</p>
<p>The laughable part of this whole episode is that many in Washington (both outgoing and incoming) actually believe that important traffic, especially video, travels over the internet. Does anyone think that Apple would trust the delivery of high-definition movies to “the internet”? Of course not. Most of that traffic, from Apple, Yahoo, Google, and others, is distributed to remote storage or caching points over high-speed fiber connections that come with service quality guarantees. In many cases the only thing traveling over “the internet” is the DNS lookup.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose Miguel Cansado</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155321</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jose Miguel Cansado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The essence of Net Neutrality can be phrased as &quot; All IP Packets are created Equal&quot;. No ISP should block or prioritize any traffic based on what the Packet carries. That is, no VoIP/Skype, YouTube video, music download or Bittorrent traffic is going to be given any prioritization based on its nature. All packets will be equally treated by the network infrastructure.

What is wrong with investing in more servers and putting them closer to the users? With Google/YouTube handling such a huge traffic, it is normal that they want to cache as close to the users as possible to make the service better.

Net Neutrality is not about let&#039;s forbid anyone to improve their service over others because they invest more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The essence of Net Neutrality can be phrased as &#8221; All IP Packets are created Equal&#8221;. No ISP should block or prioritize any traffic based on what the Packet carries. That is, no VoIP/Skype, YouTube video, music download or Bittorrent traffic is going to be given any prioritization based on its nature. All packets will be equally treated by the network infrastructure.</p>
<p>What is wrong with investing in more servers and putting them closer to the users? With Google/YouTube handling such a huge traffic, it is normal that they want to cache as close to the users as possible to make the service better.</p>
<p>Net Neutrality is not about let&#8217;s forbid anyone to improve their service over others because they invest more.</p>
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		<title>By: Neno Brown</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155320</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neno Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someones on the payrole.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someones on the payrole&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Google&#8217;s Net Neutrality Flap: Think HD &#171; NewTeeVee</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155319</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Google&#8217;s Net Neutrality Flap: Think HD &#171; NewTeeVee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Net Neutrality Flap: Think&#160;HD  Om&#8217;s been following this whole is-Google-being-evil-over-net-neutrality-or-not fiasco, but we wanted to take his [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Net Neutrality Flap: Think&nbsp;HD  Om&#8217;s been following this whole is-Google-being-evil-over-net-neutrality-or-not fiasco, but we wanted to take his [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mari Silbey</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155318</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mari Silbey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It first dawned on me that net neutrality really is a myth at a conference Cynthia Brumfield hosted on IP video policy earlier this year. People pay for faster delivery of their content every day.

Amazingly, a former FCC economist at the conference suggested quite blithely that content owners would soon be in the pipe business (i.e. broadband networks). He was right, of course, but his nonchalant attitude shocked me. This is a serious issue, and one that really needs to be discussed. Especially since many people don&#039;t understand how the system works today and how it&#039;s going to work in the very near future. The Internet was a great democratizing force, but, like with anything else, power is now consolidating. Clearly we have to figure out new anti-trust rules for the Internet age.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It first dawned on me that net neutrality really is a myth at a conference Cynthia Brumfield hosted on IP video policy earlier this year. People pay for faster delivery of their content every day.</p>
<p>Amazingly, a former FCC economist at the conference suggested quite blithely that content owners would soon be in the pipe business (i.e. broadband networks). He was right, of course, but his nonchalant attitude shocked me. This is a serious issue, and one that really needs to be discussed. Especially since many people don&#8217;t understand how the system works today and how it&#8217;s going to work in the very near future. The Internet was a great democratizing force, but, like with anything else, power is now consolidating. Clearly we have to figure out new anti-trust rules for the Internet age.</p>
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		<title>By: ronald</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155317</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ronald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@OM
 No technical details on how they do it.  My first stab on that would be, track ips to company A page PA, next another company B page PB same ip (reasonable time frame), now if ip visits c  I replace a generic link on page PC with something specific. The user behind ip might be interested in since they went to PA and PB.
Not exactly manipulating or inserting traffic, just bare bone pattern analysis.
Correct me if the tech works differently, I&#039;m just guessing.
How many CDN servers can any ISP handle, is the unlimited space available?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@OM<br />
 No technical details on how they do it.  My first stab on that would be, track ips to company A page PA, next another company B page PB same ip (reasonable time frame), now if ip visits c  I replace a generic link on page PC with something specific. The user behind ip might be interested in since they went to PA and PB.<br />
Not exactly manipulating or inserting traffic, just bare bone pattern analysis.<br />
Correct me if the tech works differently, I&#8217;m just guessing.<br />
How many CDN servers can any ISP handle, is the unlimited space available?</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155316</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Om Malik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@COP

Unfortunately donating servers is not part of Google&#039;s plan. Neither it should be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@COP</p>
<p>Unfortunately donating servers is not part of Google&#8217;s plan. Neither it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/15/with-googles-money-and-infrastructure-does-net-neutrality-really-matter/#comment-155315</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Om Malik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ronald,

akamai has started experimenting with this ad-injection technology and the content will come from their media partners. all the details are in the link to akamai story. hope that helps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ronald,</p>
<p>akamai has started experimenting with this ad-injection technology and the content will come from their media partners. all the details are in the link to akamai story. hope that helps.</p>
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