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		<title>By: links for 2009-03-06 at DeStructUred Blog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/08/open-thread-social-web-its-challenges/#comment-154604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[links for 2009-03-06 at DeStructUred Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Open Thread: Social Web &amp; Its Challenges (tags: blog business socialmedia trends social) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Ian Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/08/open-thread-social-web-its-challenges/#comment-154603</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Kennedy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post Om - I always appreciate your man-on-the-street perspective.

It&#039;s still early days as they just launched it but take a look at the Topics feature put out by the MyBlogLog team at Yahoo, they sift through the hundreds of thousands of social media feeds of their hyper-connected members to highlight the most active topics. Similar to what Techmeme does for blogs but on a much larger scale and across more than just blogs.

Topics Page: http://www.mybloglog.com/buzz/hot/topics

Blog Post: http://blog.mybloglog.com/my_weblog/2008/12/mybloglog-we-know-whats-hot.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Om &#8211; I always appreciate your man-on-the-street perspective.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still early days as they just launched it but take a look at the Topics feature put out by the MyBlogLog team at Yahoo, they sift through the hundreds of thousands of social media feeds of their hyper-connected members to highlight the most active topics. Similar to what Techmeme does for blogs but on a much larger scale and across more than just blogs.</p>
<p>Topics Page: <a href="http://www.mybloglog.com/buzz/hot/topics" rel="nofollow">http://www.mybloglog.com/buzz/hot/topics</a></p>
<p>Blog Post: <a href="http://blog.mybloglog.com/my_weblog/2008/12/mybloglog-we-know-whats-hot.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mybloglog.com/my_weblog/2008/12/mybloglog-we-know-whats-hot.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: The PHA : links for 2008-12-10</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/08/open-thread-social-web-its-challenges/#comment-154602</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The PHA : links for 2008-12-10]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Open Thread: Social Web &amp; Its Challenges - GigaOM (tags: Blog web software trends business twitter sustainability social socialmedia attention aggregator social-software socialsoftware) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: richardstacy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/08/open-thread-social-web-its-challenges/#comment-154601</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have posted - http://tinyurl.com/6zxayc]]></description>
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		<title>By: The twitterings of a wit or the witterings of a twit - its all social media to me &#171; Richard Stacy @ Stacy Consulting</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The twitterings of a wit or the witterings of a twit - its all social media to me &#171; Richard Stacy @ Stacy Consulting]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] mess and noise and pointless twittering.  See this rather curmudgeonly rant from Jerry Bowles and this from OmMalik and this from Steve [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: richardstacy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/08/open-thread-social-web-its-challenges/#comment-154599</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@om

Indeed, conversations is what I am talking about - connected conversations - which is as good a concise definition of social media as any out there I think.  And it is the connectivity bit that makes the difference as @ike above points out.  Am framing a post on this subject.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@om</p>
<p>Indeed, conversations is what I am talking about &#8211; connected conversations &#8211; which is as good a concise definition of social media as any out there I think.  And it is the connectivity bit that makes the difference as @ike above points out.  Am framing a post on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Bebo Aggregates, Redesigns &#38; Launches Social Inbox - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/08/open-thread-social-web-its-challenges/#comment-154598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bebo Aggregates, Redesigns &#38; Launches Social Inbox - GigaOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Bebo is just embracing all web offerings and “aggregating communication and community.” His comments are in line with some of the themes I have been exploring over past few [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Bebo Aggregates, Redesigns &#38; Launches Social Inbox - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/08/open-thread-social-web-its-challenges/#comment-208759</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bebo Aggregates, Redesigns &#38; Launches Social Inbox - GigaOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Bebo is just embracing all web offerings and “aggregating communication and community.” His comments are in line with some of the themes I have been exploring over past few [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Your Dose - 9th December 2008 &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Your Dose - 9th December 2008 &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Strangely</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Strangely]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post.  I love the phrase &quot;poverty of attention&quot; - I wish I&#039;d thought of that.

I struggle to impress on people at my workplace (a warehouse, full of data, ironically), to be very careful not to mix up &#039;data&#039; and &#039;information&#039;.
Within that small area, I think, lies a lot of the muddled thinking around the various business models.  They are all finding that it&#039;s not enough to have oodles of data and fancy lip gloss and call it &quot;the next big thing&quot;.  Just because someone or thing is talked about does not validate it.  I can talk about the garbage outside - but it&#039;s still garbage.

The challenge of the social web for me is;
Is social commentary (like this one of mine) data or information?
Where&#039;s the boundary?

The wonderful phrase, &#039;Poverty of Attention&#039;, a sort-of-soundalike antonym for attention deficit syndrome, is like art.  It has information derived from the component data of it&#039;s letters.  So maybe, like the beauty of art being in the eye of the beholder, the &#039;value&#039; of the social web is personal and will always remain so - like Ronald says above, &#039;social&#039; depends on your definition of friend.

And next to that, I think we will always need people of real skill to make sense of the myriad of conversations and ideas.  Otherwise, the conversational twitter remains as chatter, and as was said previously, what once happened in cafes now happens on the web and is essentially the same, but without the ambience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  I love the phrase &#8220;poverty of attention&#8221; &#8211; I wish I&#8217;d thought of that.</p>
<p>I struggle to impress on people at my workplace (a warehouse, full of data, ironically), to be very careful not to mix up &#8216;data&#8217; and &#8216;information&#8217;.<br />
Within that small area, I think, lies a lot of the muddled thinking around the various business models.  They are all finding that it&#8217;s not enough to have oodles of data and fancy lip gloss and call it &#8220;the next big thing&#8221;.  Just because someone or thing is talked about does not validate it.  I can talk about the garbage outside &#8211; but it&#8217;s still garbage.</p>
<p>The challenge of the social web for me is;<br />
Is social commentary (like this one of mine) data or information?<br />
Where&#8217;s the boundary?</p>
<p>The wonderful phrase, &#8216;Poverty of Attention&#8217;, a sort-of-soundalike antonym for attention deficit syndrome, is like art.  It has information derived from the component data of it&#8217;s letters.  So maybe, like the beauty of art being in the eye of the beholder, the &#8216;value&#8217; of the social web is personal and will always remain so &#8211; like Ronald says above, &#8216;social&#8217; depends on your definition of friend.</p>
<p>And next to that, I think we will always need people of real skill to make sense of the myriad of conversations and ideas.  Otherwise, the conversational twitter remains as chatter, and as was said previously, what once happened in cafes now happens on the web and is essentially the same, but without the ambience.</p>
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		<title>By: The next step for social &#8212; Vad NU!</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/08/open-thread-social-web-its-challenges/#comment-154595</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The next step for social &#8212; Vad NU!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Malik of GigaOM has created an open thread about the social web and it&#8217;s challenges, which is quite an interesting read. And it prompted me to think about the next step for [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: DrewVogel.COM &#183; Social Media as Social Mess</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/08/open-thread-social-web-its-challenges/#comment-154594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DrewVogel.COM &#183; Social Media as Social Mess]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 8, 2008 in A Front Page Item &#124; No comments   Couple of very interesting articles here and here, discussing the self-reverance of social media. As a Luddite who largely fails to see the allure [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Drowning in Social Media</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/08/open-thread-social-web-its-challenges/#comment-154593</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drowning in Social Media]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I read Open Thread: Social Web &amp; Its Challenges, I realized how ridiculously fragmented and ugly my own online identity has become. Twitter [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: ronald</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/08/open-thread-social-web-its-challenges/#comment-154592</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ronald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s go back to try to teach a system the meaning of mean.
First thing, there is a difference between being mean and by x I mean y.
Then there is a difference in situation of how mean being mean is, which can differ widely between people and situation. And X might not mean the same to me or you, so Y can differ. Let alone all the other meanings like in math.
It all boils down to context not equal context from person to person and for that persons situation.
In other words context is learned and the meaning of the data depends on when, how and where you learned the data, same data can mean different things in different cultures.
To build a filter which works for you, it has to learn your shared context, like a good assistant. But can today&#039;s learning system create context autonomously so data can have meaning? A good start would be a definition what learning is, which is also testable. So we can test our systems if they learn, or just dump data somewhere and remember the location.

For Google, if Information is data in context, then Google  does not organize Information. They rank data according to the organization provided by people (links), take  away the links and Google has no idea on how to organize the data.

As to attention, I model it as a temporary context.

But what that really all means is, you have to put Personal back into PC. Any cloud system will be slightly overwhelmed and as I have pointed out context/meaning is pretty much local. On the other hand as broader you go as less local it has to be, or it all depends on your definition of friend for social networks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s go back to try to teach a system the meaning of mean.<br />
First thing, there is a difference between being mean and by x I mean y.<br />
Then there is a difference in situation of how mean being mean is, which can differ widely between people and situation. And X might not mean the same to me or you, so Y can differ. Let alone all the other meanings like in math.<br />
It all boils down to context not equal context from person to person and for that persons situation.<br />
In other words context is learned and the meaning of the data depends on when, how and where you learned the data, same data can mean different things in different cultures.<br />
To build a filter which works for you, it has to learn your shared context, like a good assistant. But can today&#8217;s learning system create context autonomously so data can have meaning? A good start would be a definition what learning is, which is also testable. So we can test our systems if they learn, or just dump data somewhere and remember the location.</p>
<p>For Google, if Information is data in context, then Google  does not organize Information. They rank data according to the organization provided by people (links), take  away the links and Google has no idea on how to organize the data.</p>
<p>As to attention, I model it as a temporary context.</p>
<p>But what that really all means is, you have to put Personal back into PC. Any cloud system will be slightly overwhelmed and as I have pointed out context/meaning is pretty much local. On the other hand as broader you go as less local it has to be, or it all depends on your definition of friend for social networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/08/open-thread-social-web-its-challenges/#comment-154591</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Echo Chamber wants to cut down on the noise, yet refuses to see the beauty of these networks and what they are really designed to do.  Not sell.  Not persuade.  Not co-opt.

They were designed to connect, nothing more:  http://occamsrazr.com/2008/12/05/absolution]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Echo Chamber wants to cut down on the noise, yet refuses to see the beauty of these networks and what they are really designed to do.  Not sell.  Not persuade.  Not co-opt.</p>
<p>They were designed to connect, nothing more:  <a href="http://occamsrazr.com/2008/12/05/absolution" rel="nofollow">http://occamsrazr.com/2008/12/05/absolution</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gas Stations for Flying Cars &#8212; Matt Mullenweg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gas Stations for Flying Cars &#8212; Matt Mullenweg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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