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		<title>By: Google May Buy Twitter. Or Not. But Why is Twitter So Hot?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/03/why-twitter-didnt-sell-to-facebook-%e2%80%94-really/#comment-935762</link>
		<dc:creator>Google May Buy Twitter. Or Not. But Why is Twitter So Hot?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] they are in for the long haul and want to turn fast-growing Twitter into a big company. Remember they turned down Facebook, which wanted to buy them for $500 million. They can hold out for more &#8212; especially [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] they are in for the long haul and want to turn fast-growing Twitter into a big company. Remember they turned down Facebook, which wanted to buy them for $500 million. They can hold out for more &#8212; especially [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Reading it later 4 at Otakurean?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reading it later 4 at Otakurean?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 03:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Why twitter didn&#8217;t sell to facebook [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Facebook&#8217;s Liquidity Troubles - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/03/why-twitter-didnt-sell-to-facebook-%e2%80%94-really/#comment-916577</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook&#8217;s Liquidity Troubles - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] valuation, but until a sale occurs, that value is theoretical (even if that theoretical value has very real business impacts).  Maybe by the time its investors are required to officially asses the value of their investment [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: links for 2008-12-05 &#124; stuart henshall</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/03/why-twitter-didnt-sell-to-facebook-%e2%80%94-really/#comment-916506</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-12-05 &#124; stuart henshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Why Twitter Didn’t Sell to Facebook — Really - GigaOM Useful perspective on Twitter via Om. That six million number is a real jump! Am sure like skype many users have multiple accounts and many are dormant. Still this is exciting progress! (tags: twitter gigaom) [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Why Twitter Didn’t Sell to Facebook — Really &#8211; GigaOM Useful perspective on Twitter via Om. That six million number is a real jump! Am sure like skype many users have multiple accounts and many are dormant. Still this is exciting progress! (tags: twitter gigaom) [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: gfish</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/03/why-twitter-didnt-sell-to-facebook-%e2%80%94-really/#comment-916471</link>
		<dc:creator>gfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;I said this in BusinessWeek and I&#039;ll say it anywhere, the Microsoft/Facebook deal was a way for Microsoft to part their struggling ad network on Facebook and run up possible impressions for advertisers. They wanted to block the likes of Yahoo and Google so they offered $240 million and said that they&#039;re buying a tiny sliver of a company to make sure that their competitors would have to come in with huge offers for a new supposedly $15 billion company.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;@Mike, yes $150 million is more than $120 million but Twitter should sell their company for much more than that. At $150 million, it&#039;s just a 12.5% premium and a tech company can grow by 12% or so in a year. If you can grow in a year independently, why sell? Most companies are sold at premiums between 35% and 50% so a good deal for Twitter would&#039;ve been something between $162 million to $180 million. Really good companies are sold at double their money and with Twitter being a very widely used tool and a stable company, they could easily entertain offers of $250 million and up.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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<li><p>I said this in BusinessWeek and I&#8217;ll say it anywhere, the Microsoft/Facebook deal was a way for Microsoft to part their struggling ad network on Facebook and run up possible impressions for advertisers. They wanted to block the likes of Yahoo and Google so they offered $240 million and said that they&#8217;re buying a tiny sliver of a company to make sure that their competitors would have to come in with huge offers for a new supposedly $15 billion company.</p></li>
<li><p>@Mike, yes $150 million is more than $120 million but Twitter should sell their company for much more than that. At $150 million, it&#8217;s just a 12.5% premium and a tech company can grow by 12% or so in a year. If you can grow in a year independently, why sell? Most companies are sold at premiums between 35% and 50% so a good deal for Twitter would&#8217;ve been something between $162 million to $180 million. Really good companies are sold at double their money and with Twitter being a very widely used tool and a stable company, they could easily entertain offers of $250 million and up.</p></li>
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		<title>By: Twitter thoughts &#171; Loo.me (aka Sideways8)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitter thoughts &#171; Loo.me (aka Sideways8)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Why Twitter Didn&#8217;t Sell to Facebook - Really [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/03/why-twitter-didnt-sell-to-facebook-%e2%80%94-really/#comment-916389</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Uhh, last time I checked 150 million was more than 120 million. They should of sold it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: michaelportent</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/03/why-twitter-didnt-sell-to-facebook-%e2%80%94-really/#comment-916382</link>
		<dc:creator>michaelportent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think, especially in a down economy, any social networking valuation is probably way off. If Facebook was generating even close to the kind of ad revenues that search engines get (they certainly never, ever will), it&#039;d still probably be an over-valuation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The inherent problem with Twitter is a) its user base is growing faster than they can really sustain it and b) without some base level of advertising, the whole thing could collapse quickly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Combine those two realities that Facebook and Twitter are looking at separately and together it&#039;d be like 2 people hopping in a 1-man boat that&#039;s being pulled under by the tide.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Both companies need to find a way to monetize without breaking the bond of clean, useful functionality to their user bases.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, especially in a down economy, any social networking valuation is probably way off. If Facebook was generating even close to the kind of ad revenues that search engines get (they certainly never, ever will), it&#8217;d still probably be an over-valuation.</p>

<p>The inherent problem with Twitter is a) its user base is growing faster than they can really sustain it and b) without some base level of advertising, the whole thing could collapse quickly.</p>

<p>Combine those two realities that Facebook and Twitter are looking at separately and together it&#8217;d be like 2 people hopping in a 1-man boat that&#8217;s being pulled under by the tide.</p>

<p>Both companies need to find a way to monetize without breaking the bond of clean, useful functionality to their user bases.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Twitter y Facebook: te compro el 100% de tu sueño por el 3% del mío</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/03/why-twitter-didnt-sell-to-facebook-%e2%80%94-really/#comment-916376</link>
		<dc:creator>Twitter y Facebook: te compro el 100% de tu sueño por el 3% del mío</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] leyendo en GigaOm las razones por las cuales Evan Williams de Twitter rechazó la oferta por Twitter de $500 millones [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/03/why-twitter-didnt-sell-to-facebook-%e2%80%94-really/#comment-916308</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Open Source Developers and users, Break the chains of web 2.0 share cropping. Understand that Twitter is a closed source application and more than likely will want any Open Source competitor to their service to fail.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Twitter the friendly little bird wants to become a closed source monopoly. Twitter wants to lock you and your content into their closed silo and they want to generate millions in revenue off of your content, and for this they will give you nothing back to you or your community in return.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With an Open Source solution you at least have a copy of the application that you have given value. With Open Source you have a choice. If you want to do things differently you are &quot;Free&quot; to take the software and do so. This kind of Freedom also keeps any ideas of vendor/data/content lock in out of the picture.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At adelph.us we believe in members freedom to control their accounts, and their content.  We also believe that any revenue model should always put the members in the equation first.  We believe in the Open Source community and ideals. We know we are not the smartest guys in the room and trust the our community of members and developers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Break the chains of the old web 2.0 model. Do not give your content or your software development work to closed source old world companies they only seek to profit from your actions, and that give nothing back to you or to your communities.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Source Developers and users, Break the chains of web 2.0 share cropping. Understand that Twitter is a closed source application and more than likely will want any Open Source competitor to their service to fail.</p>

<p>Twitter the friendly little bird wants to become a closed source monopoly. Twitter wants to lock you and your content into their closed silo and they want to generate millions in revenue off of your content, and for this they will give you nothing back to you or your community in return.</p>

<p>With an Open Source solution you at least have a copy of the application that you have given value. With Open Source you have a choice. If you want to do things differently you are &#8220;Free&#8221; to take the software and do so. This kind of Freedom also keeps any ideas of vendor/data/content lock in out of the picture.</p>

<p>At adelph.us we believe in members freedom to control their accounts, and their content.  We also believe that any revenue model should always put the members in the equation first.  We believe in the Open Source community and ideals. We know we are not the smartest guys in the room and trust the our community of members and developers.</p>

<p>Break the chains of the old web 2.0 model. Do not give your content or your software development work to closed source old world companies they only seek to profit from your actions, and that give nothing back to you or to your communities.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/03/why-twitter-didnt-sell-to-facebook-%e2%80%94-really/#comment-916306</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Twitter did not sell to facebook because Twitter guys are simply not stupid.  MS gave facebook money because they wanted the ad deal...the equity was just an extra bonus.  Facebook, the masters of PR and marketing, spun the MS cash as a 15 billion valuation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I simply think it is incredibly silly that a company with no real scalable revenue model, burning cash at breakneck speed, is going around acting like it can buy up other companies, especially in these economic times.  We all need some of what Facebook execs are smoking :)  it will help us get through tough days with a sense of delusional hubris.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter did not sell to facebook because Twitter guys are simply not stupid.  MS gave facebook money because they wanted the ad deal&#8230;the equity was just an extra bonus.  Facebook, the masters of PR and marketing, spun the MS cash as a 15 billion valuation.</p>

<p>I simply think it is incredibly silly that a company with no real scalable revenue model, burning cash at breakneck speed, is going around acting like it can buy up other companies, especially in these economic times.  We all need some of what Facebook execs are smoking :)  it will help us get through tough days with a sense of delusional hubris.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: waitasecond</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/03/why-twitter-didnt-sell-to-facebook-%e2%80%94-really/#comment-916302</link>
		<dc:creator>waitasecond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;wait a second, what&#039;s twitter&#039;s business model again?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wait a second, what&#8217;s twitter&#8217;s business model again?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: 081204 Social Links (Dec 04, 2008) &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</title>
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		<dc:creator>081204 Social Links (Dec 04, 2008) &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Why Twitter Didn’t Sell to Facebook — Really The offer wasn&#8217;t sweet enough; Twitter has a lot more upside. The soured deal show how much trouble Facebook is going to have using its stock as currency. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Deepak Das</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/12/03/why-twitter-didnt-sell-to-facebook-%e2%80%94-really/#comment-916264</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepak Das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;First of, FB stock is not cash. It&#039;s like Monopoly Money. True valuation is established only after cash changes hands.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Twitter is growing, it&#039;s creating new ways of information dissemination. The tweets during the presidential election and the recent mumbai terror events have sort of proven that. While there is a lot of potential here, twitter still needs to work on how it can reduce the noise and be a meaningful service and make money. By staying independent, their cognitive freedoms are maintained. If on the other they went the FB route, then their creative thinking would have been squashed by the product roadmap requirements of the Bergs (Mark and Sheryl).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think @ev did the right thing by rejecting FB&#039;s offer at this time. If twitter can ride out this eco-storm, then any option they get after it will probably be better or equivalent to the passed FB offer. The possibility of a FB IPO in 09/10 are remote given the current state of the economy.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of, FB stock is not cash. It&#8217;s like Monopoly Money. True valuation is established only after cash changes hands.</p>

<p>Twitter is growing, it&#8217;s creating new ways of information dissemination. The tweets during the presidential election and the recent mumbai terror events have sort of proven that. While there is a lot of potential here, twitter still needs to work on how it can reduce the noise and be a meaningful service and make money. By staying independent, their cognitive freedoms are maintained. If on the other they went the FB route, then their creative thinking would have been squashed by the product roadmap requirements of the Bergs (Mark and Sheryl).</p>

<p>I think @ev did the right thing by rejecting FB&#8217;s offer at this time. If twitter can ride out this eco-storm, then any option they get after it will probably be better or equivalent to the passed FB offer. The possibility of a FB IPO in 09/10 are remote given the current state of the economy.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ian Andrew Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Andrew Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re right, Sean.  Sort of.  The press didn&#039;t invent the $15Bn valuation - it was quite plainly announced that Microsoft bought 1.6% of Facebook for $240Mm:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21458486/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But ignoring that, using the Google IPO benchmark and assuming FB hits its numbers for 2008, FB should be worth about $2.3Bn.  3% of that is only ~$70Mm.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But the reality is that if Facebook uses an internal benchmark of $5Bn valuation counting the MSFT investment as an outlier, then they offered Evan &amp; co. 10% of their company, not 3%.  Simple math there.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Sean.  Sort of.  The press didn&#8217;t invent the $15Bn valuation &#8211; it was quite plainly announced that Microsoft bought 1.6% of Facebook for $240Mm:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21458486/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21458486/</a></p>

<p>But ignoring that, using the Google IPO benchmark and assuming FB hits its numbers for 2008, FB should be worth about $2.3Bn.  3% of that is only ~$70Mm.</p>

<p>But the reality is that if Facebook uses an internal benchmark of $5Bn valuation counting the MSFT investment as an outlier, then they offered Evan &amp; co. 10% of their company, not 3%.  Simple math there.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Om,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is exactly what  I have been saying since this emerged. 
I think you nailed it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hearing people yell that &quot;they should have sold&quot;, &quot;they&#039;re crazy&quot;, is so foolish.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I believe a day will come, in which the true value of Facebook&#039;s offer, (in volatile equity),
will look paltry compared to Twitter&#039;s value. And it will take no longer than
the solidification of Facebook&#039;s actual value.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ed
@NextInstinct&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om,</p>

<p>This is exactly what  I have been saying since this emerged. 
I think you nailed it.</p>

<p>Hearing people yell that &#8220;they should have sold&#8221;, &#8220;they&#8217;re crazy&#8221;, is so foolish.</p>

<p>I believe a day will come, in which the true value of Facebook&#8217;s offer, (in volatile equity),
will look paltry compared to Twitter&#8217;s value. And it will take no longer than
the solidification of Facebook&#8217;s actual value.</p>

<p>Ed
@NextInstinct</p>]]></content:encoded>
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