<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Another VoIP Startup in Trouble</title>
	<atom:link href="http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/</link>
	<description>Trusted Insights and Conversations on the Next Wave of Technology</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:00:28 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: iSkoot Reboots, Looks at a New Mobile Future &#124; Telecom Update</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-923151</link>
		<dc:creator>iSkoot Reboots, Looks at a New Mobile Future &#124; Telecom Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-923151</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] to cheaper and more mass market phones. It is a smart and logical move – especially if you consider the mortality rate among VoIP-related startups. iSkoot is lucky to have the cushion of $32.5 million in funding from the [...]&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to cheaper and more mass market phones. It is a smart and logical move – especially if you consider the mortality rate among VoIP-related startups. iSkoot is lucky to have the cushion of $32.5 million in funding from the [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: iSkoot Reboots, Looks at a New Mobile Future</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-923148</link>
		<dc:creator>iSkoot Reboots, Looks at a New Mobile Future</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-923148</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] to cheaper and more mass market phones. It is a smart and logical move – especially if you consider the mortality rate among VoIP-related startups. iSkoot is lucky to have the cushion of $32.5 million in funding from the [...]&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to cheaper and more mass market phones. It is a smart and logical move – especially if you consider the mortality rate among VoIP-related startups. iSkoot is lucky to have the cushion of $32.5 million in funding from the [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: VoIP: Dead or Alive?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-920097</link>
		<dc:creator>VoIP: Dead or Alive?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-920097</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] skeptical. Not because I am a hater. Far from it. It is just that the VoIP landscape is littered with carcasses of companies that represented mediocrity and marginal ideas. While there is some hope on the [...]&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] skeptical. Not because I am a hater. Far from it. It is just that the VoIP landscape is littered with carcasses of companies that represented mediocrity and marginal ideas. While there is some hope on the [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jaxtr Launches Free Calling Service. Why?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-918268</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaxtr Launches Free Calling Service. Why?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-918268</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] tried both and other features. Most jumped on the social networking bandwagon. And many of them - Jangl, TalkPlus and EQO for example &#8212; went bust, because they learned the harsh lesson &#8212; selling cheap minutes or offering [...]&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tried both and other features. Most jumped on the social networking bandwagon. And many of them &#8211; Jangl, TalkPlus and EQO for example &#8212; went bust, because they learned the harsh lesson &#8212; selling cheap minutes or offering [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Layoffs At Fring? &#124; Voip Blog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-916178</link>
		<dc:creator>Layoffs At Fring? &#124; Voip Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-916178</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] has not problem, coming up with solutions, like it did with our mobile problems!Mobile is on the up.GigaOm and ever inquisitive Ken Camp has also written on the issue. Tags: VoIP business, fring, mobile [...]&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has not problem, coming up with solutions, like it did with our mobile problems!Mobile is on the up.GigaOm and ever inquisitive Ken Camp has also written on the issue. Tags: VoIP business, fring, mobile [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ruslan Zalata</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-916066</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruslan Zalata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-916066</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;To A.B.Dada: you are asking for something that does not require installtion, has new codec, etc.. Go check our FreeRinger at http://www.freeringer.biz, it&#039;s a flash based voip app and free world-wide phone calling service. And yes, there&#039;s a business model.&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To A.B.Dada: you are asking for something that does not require installtion, has new codec, etc.. Go check our FreeRinger at <a href="http://www.freeringer.biz" rel="nofollow">http://www.freeringer.biz</a>, it&#8217;s a flash based voip app and free world-wide phone calling service. And yes, there&#8217;s a business model.</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: EQO May Be Done - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915705</link>
		<dc:creator>EQO May Be Done - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915705</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Malik  &#124; Sunday, November 30, 2008 &#124; 6:20 PM PT &#124; 0 comments    The bad news for mobile VoIP startups keeps coming. EQO, which had cut nearly 65 percent of its workforce about two months ago, might [...]&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Malik  | Sunday, November 30, 2008 | 6:20 PM PT | 0 comments    The bad news for mobile VoIP startups keeps coming. EQO, which had cut nearly 65 percent of its workforce about two months ago, might [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Yeah, what Om says&#8230; - Screwdd!</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915238</link>
		<dc:creator>Yeah, what Om says&#8230; - Screwdd!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915238</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Yeah, what Om says&#8230;  Nov.29, 2008 in Bubble Burst SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &quot;Yeah, what Om says&#8230;&quot;, url: &quot;http://www.screwdd.com/2008/11/29/yeah-what-om-says/&quot; }); Regardless of however you spin it, if you are firing 20 percent of your work force and have no real business model to speak of, you are in trouble. That certainly is true of Fring, an Israeli Mobile VoIP startup, which has cut 10 of its 50 employees. CEO Avi Shechter told TechCrunch that his company is doing well. In addition to $13 million it raised in the past, Avi says the company has raised an undisclosed amount of money in its Series C financing. (GigaOm) [...]&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yeah, what Om says&#8230;  Nov.29, 2008 in Bubble Burst SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &#8220;Yeah, what Om says&#8230;&#8221;, url: &#8220;http://www.screwdd.com/2008/11/29/yeah-what-om-says/&#8221; }); Regardless of however you spin it, if you are firing 20 percent of your work force and have no real business model to speak of, you are in trouble. That certainly is true of Fring, an Israeli Mobile VoIP startup, which has cut 10 of its 50 employees. CEO Avi Shechter told TechCrunch that his company is doing well. In addition to $13 million it raised in the past, Avi says the company has raised an undisclosed amount of money in its Series C financing. (GigaOm) [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: A.B. Dada</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915199</link>
		<dc:creator>A.B. Dada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915199</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s why I disagree vehemently with most angel investing as well as VC: the guys doing the pitch filtering have NO CLUE about what kind of business is truly profitable.  VoIP in the long run is a commodity.  Commodity businesses deal with massive numbers of clients with low profitability.  It&#039;s like trying to start a company to sell Vitamin C tablets: it&#039;s going to be a losing proposition.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are no &quot;new trends&quot; to VoIP, unless you can magically create a new codec to compress data faster and smaller, and that won&#039;t happen.  VoIP is a dead end for VC and angel investing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The business ideas I pitch to angels are profitable, expandable, and have almost no competition, but the morons who run the joints only want to hear about Web 2.0 and the Internet, even though future profitable investments will rely on P2P manual services rather than B2B electronic services.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I see another VoIP business plan come through my email box, I&#039;ll croak.  Telecom is dead, unless you&#039;re designing something that is truly P2P without software or signifcant user install intervention.&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s why I disagree vehemently with most angel investing as well as VC: the guys doing the pitch filtering have NO CLUE about what kind of business is truly profitable.  VoIP in the long run is a commodity.  Commodity businesses deal with massive numbers of clients with low profitability.  It&#8217;s like trying to start a company to sell Vitamin C tablets: it&#8217;s going to be a losing proposition.</p>

<p>There are no &#8220;new trends&#8221; to VoIP, unless you can magically create a new codec to compress data faster and smaller, and that won&#8217;t happen.  VoIP is a dead end for VC and angel investing.</p>

<p>The business ideas I pitch to angels are profitable, expandable, and have almost no competition, but the morons who run the joints only want to hear about Web 2.0 and the Internet, even though future profitable investments will rely on P2P manual services rather than B2B electronic services.</p>

<p>If I see another VoIP business plan come through my email box, I&#8217;ll croak.  Telecom is dead, unless you&#8217;re designing something that is truly P2P without software or signifcant user install intervention.</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rodolfo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915155</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodolfo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915155</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;My company has a similar VoIP client but we do not focus on consumers. Our pitch is encrypted VoIP for corporate customers and I truly believe is more sustainable than selling cheaper minutes. However the scale we can achieve (we have no virality - quite the opposite in fact) and the fact we didn&#039;t go consumer so far has costed us a lot in terms of raising VC cash.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have to say that in the current climate it&#039;s a safe choice... we have in the pipeline prospective customers that are scaling back all other investments and freezing their 2009 budgets. If you sell cheaper and cheaper minutes you end up giving free airtime and subsidize it with ads, which puts you in competition with Google and possibly Blyk in the UK. Notwhistanding the fact that mobile operators (assuming you&#039;re not only on wifi) they can simply charge you a lump sum and give you free calls in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The basic issues facing mobile VoIP are battery consumption due to radio turned on, traffic on the spectrum which is not really consumer friendly (hate them or love them, mobile operators have paid dearly for that spectrum and they have to protect it) and this coupled with the fact that the end user does not get any advantage by making a plain VoIP call vs. a circuit swicthed one.&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My company has a similar VoIP client but we do not focus on consumers. Our pitch is encrypted VoIP for corporate customers and I truly believe is more sustainable than selling cheaper minutes. However the scale we can achieve (we have no virality &#8211; quite the opposite in fact) and the fact we didn&#8217;t go consumer so far has costed us a lot in terms of raising VC cash.</p>

<p>I have to say that in the current climate it&#8217;s a safe choice&#8230; we have in the pipeline prospective customers that are scaling back all other investments and freezing their 2009 budgets. If you sell cheaper and cheaper minutes you end up giving free airtime and subsidize it with ads, which puts you in competition with Google and possibly Blyk in the UK. Notwhistanding the fact that mobile operators (assuming you&#8217;re not only on wifi) they can simply charge you a lump sum and give you free calls in the first place.</p>

<p>The basic issues facing mobile VoIP are battery consumption due to radio turned on, traffic on the spectrum which is not really consumer friendly (hate them or love them, mobile operators have paid dearly for that spectrum and they have to protect it) and this coupled with the fact that the end user does not get any advantage by making a plain VoIP call vs. a circuit swicthed one.</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915100</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915100</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Om.  We could use a straight shooter like you on my site especially if it&#039;s informative information.
Check it out!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;John
http://forums.socalphonepros.com
http://www.socalphonepros.com&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Om.  We could use a straight shooter like you on my site especially if it&#8217;s informative information.
Check it out!</p>

<p>John
<a href="http://forums.socalphonepros.com" rel="nofollow">http://forums.socalphonepros.com</a>
<a href="http://www.socalphonepros.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.socalphonepros.com</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915075</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915075</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Vipin,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think the value proposition hasn&#039;t gone beyond cheap or free calls so there is very little opportunity for a long term sustainable model. I think there are some folks who are doing well because they make gear/back end software but even those success stories are hard to find.&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vipin,</p>

<p>I think the value proposition hasn&#8217;t gone beyond cheap or free calls so there is very little opportunity for a long term sustainable model. I think there are some folks who are doing well because they make gear/back end software but even those success stories are hard to find.</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Vipin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915037</link>
		<dc:creator>Vipin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915037</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;In terms of profit, VOIP only worked for existing telecom operators. However in terms of usage there are hundreds of VOIP provider are providing services and users are using them but I don&#039;t see anyone making big money. There are 2 sides of VOIP 1) Access side and 2) Peering side. Existing operators exploits peering side of VOIP to connect call over IP across differnt geographic location whereas keeping access side circuit switched and cut their capex. On access side of VOIP compeitition is too much that only bigger player can survive.&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of profit, VOIP only worked for existing telecom operators. However in terms of usage there are hundreds of VOIP provider are providing services and users are using them but I don&#8217;t see anyone making big money. There are 2 sides of VOIP 1) Access side and 2) Peering side. Existing operators exploits peering side of VOIP to connect call over IP across differnt geographic location whereas keeping access side circuit switched and cut their capex. On access side of VOIP compeitition is too much that only bigger player can survive.</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Fring.com Lays Off 10 Employees (About 20%) &#124; FuckedStartups</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915026</link>
		<dc:creator>Fring.com Lays Off 10 Employees (About 20%) &#124; FuckedStartups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 06:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://gigaom.com/2008/11/27/another-voip-startup-in-trouble/#comment-915026</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] I fuckin love OM (GigaOm) - tell it like it should be told - straight UP&#8230; (here) Regardless of however you spin it, if you are firing 20 percent of your work force and have no [...]&lt;/p&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I fuckin love OM (GigaOm) &#8211; tell it like it should be told &#8211; straight UP&#8230; (here) Regardless of however you spin it, if you are firing 20 percent of your work force and have no [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
