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	<title>Comments on: Trailer Park 2.0: Where All Your Data Lives</title>
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		<title>By: Another Half-Dozen Half-Truths of the Cloud</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-938606</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Half-Dozen Half-Truths of the Cloud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] to enable such independence, paradoxically, location does matter. While the days of server huggers may be coming to an end, today&#8217;s low-latency applications, such as interactive gaming, [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: The GigaOM Interview: Russ Daniels, HP&#8217;s Cloud Guru</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-938150</link>
		<dc:creator>The GigaOM Interview: Russ Daniels, HP&#8217;s Cloud Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] such as containerized data centers allow customers to build energy-efficient compute capacity at low incremental costs, so there will be far more participants in the cloud than many people would have thought many years [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Microsoft Reveals Fourth-Gen Datacenter Design - GigaOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microsoft Reveals Fourth-Gen Datacenter Design - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Allan Leinwand  &#124; Wednesday, December 3, 2008 &#124; 9:29 AM PT &#124; 0 comments    Microsoft Data Center Chief Mike Manos posted a blog entry today on the company&#8217;s vision for next generation data centers. The blog post (and the accompanying animated video) has extensive details on how Microsoft envisions building the data center of the future — and it definitely has some of the “trailer park” modularity and scalability attributes that I mentioned in my post last week. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Allan Leinwand  | Wednesday, December 3, 2008 | 9:29 AM PT | 0 comments    Microsoft Data Center Chief Mike Manos posted a blog entry today on the company&#8217;s vision for next generation data centers. The blog post (and the accompanying animated video) has extensive details on how Microsoft envisions building the data center of the future — and it definitely has some of the “trailer park” modularity and scalability attributes that I mentioned in my post last week. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-915823</link>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The container pictured above being delivered does live outside in a small container park of 3 units (although they may be getting some more company soon).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You could also look at that picture as the high BW network; 10PB at ~65mph. That&#039;s 10PB from L.A. to N.Y., as an example, in 3 days!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The container pictured above being delivered does live outside in a small container park of 3 units (although they may be getting some more company soon).</p>

<p>You could also look at that picture as the high BW network; 10PB at ~65mph. That&#8217;s 10PB from L.A. to N.Y., as an example, in 3 days!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: New data centers in a container yard? &#124;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-915399</link>
		<dc:creator>New data centers in a container yard? &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] A few big name server manufacturers are already delivering self contained server farms in a containers as a quick scaling option for thier cutomers. With the growth of outsoruced data centers and cloud computing, the shipping container yard could represent a future alternative for the data center and colocation facility. Derelict rail yards not only could provide low cost real estate, but since the rail is aloo often a conduit for fiber and power trasmission, little investmnet would be required to connect and power up. Compared to building, a top-tier data center that can cost $1,000 per square foot, setting up a container park could be done relatively cheaply — all is needed is a plot of land with the appropriate physical security, a power distribution plant, backup generators and abundant Internet connectivity. These items are available in metropolitan locations where server huggers and their employers congregate. While the containers themselves are self-contained, there should be no reason that multiple organizations and their server huggers could not share servers in a single container. After all, server huggers already share cabinets and cage space in data centers today. (GigaOm) [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A few big name server manufacturers are already delivering self contained server farms in a containers as a quick scaling option for thier cutomers. With the growth of outsoruced data centers and cloud computing, the shipping container yard could represent a future alternative for the data center and colocation facility. Derelict rail yards not only could provide low cost real estate, but since the rail is aloo often a conduit for fiber and power trasmission, little investmnet would be required to connect and power up. Compared to building, a top-tier data center that can cost $1,000 per square foot, setting up a container park could be done relatively cheaply — all is needed is a plot of land with the appropriate physical security, a power distribution plant, backup generators and abundant Internet connectivity. These items are available in metropolitan locations where server huggers and their employers congregate. While the containers themselves are self-contained, there should be no reason that multiple organizations and their server huggers could not share servers in a single container. After all, server huggers already share cabinets and cage space in data centers today. (GigaOm) [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Allan Leinwand</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-915077</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Leinwand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Victor Blake - I&#039;m not suggesting that we use actual trailer parks to host containers.  I&#039;m suggesting that we use containers filled with servers in an urban setting where data center space is scarce and/or expensive in a &quot;trailer park&quot; like configuration.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Victor Blake &#8211; I&#8217;m not suggesting that we use actual trailer parks to host containers.  I&#8217;m suggesting that we use containers filled with servers in an urban setting where data center space is scarce and/or expensive in a &#8220;trailer park&#8221; like configuration.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Victor Blake</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-915074</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Most trailer parks will not have lots of fiber near by, thus making it impossible. However, if some luck trailer park owner happend to have a fiber ROW passing through (which ironically would have decreased it&#039;s value in the past) or is nearby to some fiber -- then, sure -- it can be a prime real estate location. But newsflash here -- that&#039;s how most non-urban data center sites were selected in the first place -- adjacency to power and fiber.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most trailer parks will not have lots of fiber near by, thus making it impossible. However, if some luck trailer park owner happend to have a fiber ROW passing through (which ironically would have decreased it&#8217;s value in the past) or is nearby to some fiber &#8212; then, sure &#8212; it can be a prime real estate location. But newsflash here &#8212; that&#8217;s how most non-urban data center sites were selected in the first place &#8212; adjacency to power and fiber.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: &#187; Trailer Park 2.0: Cloud on Wheels! Dvorak Uncensored: General interest observations and true web-log.</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-915069</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Trailer Park 2.0: Cloud on Wheels! Dvorak Uncensored: General interest observations and true web-log.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] server huggers face an impending crisis — the data centers that host their servers in many large metropolitan areas such as Chicago, Los [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: links for 2008-11-28 : JOSHMEANS.COM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-915056</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-11-28 : JOSHMEANS.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Trailer Park 2.0: Where All Your Data Lives - GigaOM The future of trailer parks? (tags: datcenter container &quot;cloud computing&quot;) [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Allan Leinwand</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-915006</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Leinwand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Happy Thanksgiving to all and thanks for your comments!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Allan Leinwand</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-915005</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Leinwand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Dave Asprey - great point on the data centers on barges.  But, as you point out there are plenty of server huggers who are land locked. Concerning container park bling, I&#039;ve seen folks trick out their racks and cages before, so anything is possible!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Quli - You&#039;re right - Sun does have containers for servers too. I&#039;m  not sure there are lots of server huggers that cozy up next to their Sparc hardware these days.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Richard - I was actually thinking of adding a part of the blog talking about disaster recovery. You could, like a mobile home, drive from one container park to another if you had adequate warning of an impending disaster.  Or, as you point out, you could just hug your servers in two different container parks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Chris Street - Claustrophobia aside, the main point I am making is that server huggers want their servers in a metro location. Real estate and build out costs are too high to do this at scale, so an outside container park on a small plot of land could make sense.  In terms of power and water, you are right that a container would take some good amounts of power.  I do think it would be less than the same number of servers in a data center as they would be more densely packed and cooled more efficiently.  Concerning physical security in a single container, you are right there might be an issue there.  Still, server huggers already share cages and racks (and half racks) so I think the precedent is there in the industry.  Do you want to hug your server in a crowded room a few blocks away in the metro area or do you want to drive a few hours to get there? You do bring up a good point about tornadoes, but since I am advocating building container parks in a metro area I think we&#039;re safe from being tornado magnets :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Josh - thanks and good point about DR.  Given the choice of having a part of a container on a plot of land downtown versus being hosted in the cloud or hours away and assuming the same prices, what would your choice be?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@David, Business Technology Roundtable - Roger answered well (thanks!).  The main point as I see it is that real estate for server huggers to host their servers in metro areas is scare and expensive. Can we put densely packed servers in containers and help alleviate the market scarcity at a reasonable price?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave Asprey &#8211; great point on the data centers on barges.  But, as you point out there are plenty of server huggers who are land locked. Concerning container park bling, I&#8217;ve seen folks trick out their racks and cages before, so anything is possible!</p>

<p>@Quli &#8211; You&#8217;re right &#8211; Sun does have containers for servers too. I&#8217;m  not sure there are lots of server huggers that cozy up next to their Sparc hardware these days.</p>

<p>@Richard &#8211; I was actually thinking of adding a part of the blog talking about disaster recovery. You could, like a mobile home, drive from one container park to another if you had adequate warning of an impending disaster.  Or, as you point out, you could just hug your servers in two different container parks.</p>

<p>@Chris Street &#8211; Claustrophobia aside, the main point I am making is that server huggers want their servers in a metro location. Real estate and build out costs are too high to do this at scale, so an outside container park on a small plot of land could make sense.  In terms of power and water, you are right that a container would take some good amounts of power.  I do think it would be less than the same number of servers in a data center as they would be more densely packed and cooled more efficiently.  Concerning physical security in a single container, you are right there might be an issue there.  Still, server huggers already share cages and racks (and half racks) so I think the precedent is there in the industry.  Do you want to hug your server in a crowded room a few blocks away in the metro area or do you want to drive a few hours to get there? You do bring up a good point about tornadoes, but since I am advocating building container parks in a metro area I think we&#8217;re safe from being tornado magnets :)</p>

<p>@Josh &#8211; thanks and good point about DR.  Given the choice of having a part of a container on a plot of land downtown versus being hosted in the cloud or hours away and assuming the same prices, what would your choice be?</p>

<p>@David, Business Technology Roundtable &#8211; Roger answered well (thanks!).  The main point as I see it is that real estate for server huggers to host their servers in metro areas is scare and expensive. Can we put densely packed servers in containers and help alleviate the market scarcity at a reasonable price?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Roger Weeks</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-914963</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David, you&#039;re missing the point.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Managed and hosted services have to live SOMEWHERE.  Currently they live in expensive data centers.  Those managed and hosted services employ lots of server huggers - because otherwise their managed and hosted clients wouldn&#039;t have reliable service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Those data centers are expensive, in terms of real estate, building, electrical and cooling costs.  To the extent you can reduce any of those costs, you can reduce the cost of operating a data center to provide managed and hosted services (or cloud services, which frankly is just another version of managed services, as far as I&#039;m concerned).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, you&#8217;re missing the point.</p>

<p>Managed and hosted services have to live SOMEWHERE.  Currently they live in expensive data centers.  Those managed and hosted services employ lots of server huggers &#8211; because otherwise their managed and hosted clients wouldn&#8217;t have reliable service.</p>

<p>Those data centers are expensive, in terms of real estate, building, electrical and cooling costs.  To the extent you can reduce any of those costs, you can reduce the cost of operating a data center to provide managed and hosted services (or cloud services, which frankly is just another version of managed services, as far as I&#8217;m concerned).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David, Business Technology Roundtable</title>
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		<dc:creator>David, Business Technology Roundtable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Server Hugger is an unfamiliar term to me, but I think I understand the basic intent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The mobile server park concept seems like a solution that may appeal to this type of individual. However, isn&#039;t it simply easier to embrace a managed or hosted service solution? You say &quot;the choice seems somewhat obvious.&quot; Perhaps it will be to the most obsessive/compulsive IT manager, but is this really suitable for those in the mainstream?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Server Hugger is an unfamiliar term to me, but I think I understand the basic intent.</p>

<p>The mobile server park concept seems like a solution that may appeal to this type of individual. However, isn&#8217;t it simply easier to embrace a managed or hosted service solution? You say &#8220;the choice seems somewhat obvious.&#8221; Perhaps it will be to the most obsessive/compulsive IT manager, but is this really suitable for those in the mainstream?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Network Dictionary - Server Hugger &#124; My Etherealmind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Network Dictionary - Server Hugger &#124; My Etherealmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] read on GigaOM Trailer Park 2.0: Where your data lives.  Server huggers like being near their servers -– they feel that the emotional well-being and [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-914949</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think this is a great idea as a DR solution.  Imagine being able to bring up a secondary or tertiary site in a matter of weeks to provide a DR or backup solution to moving a primary DC to a new location.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As Richard said, I would have concerns about using this type of facility as a primary location, but I see a lot of benefits as providing a DR or temporary DC solution.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a great idea as a DR solution.  Imagine being able to bring up a secondary or tertiary site in a matter of weeks to provide a DR or backup solution to moving a primary DC to a new location.</p>

<p>As Richard said, I would have concerns about using this type of facility as a primary location, but I see a lot of benefits as providing a DR or temporary DC solution.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chris Street</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/26/trailer-park-20-where-all-your-data-lives/#comment-914945</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Containers won&#039;t stop server huggers, they will just make them claustrophobic...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are a couple of basic assumptions that this seems to forget about the container data center model.  First, you still need some basic inputs such as power and water.  If this is going to be done at scale, I don&#039;t believe that you would put the containers outside, rather it would be more like a bunch of containers in a warehouse building.  This is being done by a couple of the cloud folks (MSFT is one high profile firm).  This also allows you to control the physical security a bit more.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The other aspect that seems to be missing is that the container is a rather large chunk of computing power.  Most web applications run on a lot less than the 1000+ servers that a single container would hold.  Unless you started partitioning the containers, it would be hard for folks to justify that much overcapacity.  Under that model, you would still have some folks uneasy about physical security concerns and what would you do when 10 server huggers all needed to be working on their machines at the same time?  Space would be tight...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lastly, trailer parks (as anyone from the midwest will tell you) seem to be magnets for tornadoes. Tornadoes and containers would not be a good mix, therefore, it would seem to still make sense to put these items in warehouse buildings.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Containers won&#8217;t stop server huggers, they will just make them claustrophobic&#8230;</p>

<p>There are a couple of basic assumptions that this seems to forget about the container data center model.  First, you still need some basic inputs such as power and water.  If this is going to be done at scale, I don&#8217;t believe that you would put the containers outside, rather it would be more like a bunch of containers in a warehouse building.  This is being done by a couple of the cloud folks (MSFT is one high profile firm).  This also allows you to control the physical security a bit more.</p>

<p>The other aspect that seems to be missing is that the container is a rather large chunk of computing power.  Most web applications run on a lot less than the 1000+ servers that a single container would hold.  Unless you started partitioning the containers, it would be hard for folks to justify that much overcapacity.  Under that model, you would still have some folks uneasy about physical security concerns and what would you do when 10 server huggers all needed to be working on their machines at the same time?  Space would be tight&#8230;</p>

<p>Lastly, trailer parks (as anyone from the midwest will tell you) seem to be magnets for tornadoes. Tornadoes and containers would not be a good mix, therefore, it would seem to still make sense to put these items in warehouse buildings.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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