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	<title>Comments on: Loopt Deal Means Lower Costs for Location Data</title>
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		<title>By: Tore Urnes</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/06/loopt-deal-means-lower-costs-for-location-data/#comment-911441</link>
		<dc:creator>Tore Urnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting news, indeed. I was not aware that companies such as Loopt must pay a fee each time their users request location data (am I understanding this correctly?).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m working for a company who just launched a service called Moot (http://www.moot.com) that lets users discover other Moot users--friends or strangers--on a WiFi network for the purpose of sharing files, finding out stuff about other Moot users, chat, etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Currently we are playing with the idea of offering a kind of location-based service that notifies users when interesting people/places/etc. are nearby. We just wrote about some of our ideas at http://moottalk.blogspot.com/2008/11/proximity-based-social-networking-moot.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Obviously, it is a big step to take a wifi file sharing utility and transform it into a location-based service along the lines of Loopt. So far we thought perhaps the advantage of a proximity-based approach was less concerns about privacy. Perhaps there is a cost issue as well (?).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting news, indeed. I was not aware that companies such as Loopt must pay a fee each time their users request location data (am I understanding this correctly?).</p>

<p>I&#8217;m working for a company who just launched a service called Moot (<a href="http://www.moot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.moot.com</a>) that lets users discover other Moot users&#8211;friends or strangers&#8211;on a WiFi network for the purpose of sharing files, finding out stuff about other Moot users, chat, etc.</p>

<p>Currently we are playing with the idea of offering a kind of location-based service that notifies users when interesting people/places/etc. are nearby. We just wrote about some of our ideas at <a href="http://moottalk.blogspot.com/2008/11/proximity-based-social-networking-moot.html" rel="nofollow">http://moottalk.blogspot.com/2008/11/proximity-based-social-networking-moot.html</a></p>

<p>Obviously, it is a big step to take a wifi file sharing utility and transform it into a location-based service along the lines of Loopt. So far we thought perhaps the advantage of a proximity-based approach was less concerns about privacy. Perhaps there is a cost issue as well (?).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Shadowlayer</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/06/loopt-deal-means-lower-costs-for-location-data/#comment-911366</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadowlayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 04:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So loopt was not only giving the TV away for free, they were paying for people to take it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So loopt was not only giving the TV away for free, they were paying for people to take it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: GPSInsider</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/06/loopt-deal-means-lower-costs-for-location-data/#comment-911310</link>
		<dc:creator>GPSInsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I totally agree with Boomer. Don&#039;t all of the Tier 1 US carriers already have Location systems in place from TCS or Aepona, etc? Does Loopt actually have a CARRIER deal here or any concrete plans to sell locates to carriers? Wouldn&#039;t they have to undercut TCS (a huge SnapTrack customer) in order to do that? Seems like a long shot for a bunch of college kids (at best) and just terrible strategy at worst (really? they want to become a systems integrator?).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s focus: isn&#039;t Loopt&#039;s biggest challenge actually REVENUE (lack of users or even a credible business model for the users they DO have) and not COST at all? Isn&#039;t the Loopt service generally offered for FREE already (on Sprint, iPhone, etc)? How is cost holding anything back for them?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Look, I love the idea of being able to see where my friends are on my mobile phone. I really do. But Loopt has not cracked the code yet in terms of getting enough customers or getting PAID for the customers they do have. I&#039;m skeptical that a branded mobile-social network ever will in the face of large existing social networks (Facebook, My Space, etc).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This feels like a meaningless &quot;news&quot; item and a distraction for a company that needs to focus on creating a legitimate business.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Can someone help me connect the dots? What am I missing here?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Boomer. Don&#8217;t all of the Tier 1 US carriers already have Location systems in place from TCS or Aepona, etc? Does Loopt actually have a CARRIER deal here or any concrete plans to sell locates to carriers? Wouldn&#8217;t they have to undercut TCS (a huge SnapTrack customer) in order to do that? Seems like a long shot for a bunch of college kids (at best) and just terrible strategy at worst (really? they want to become a systems integrator?).</p>

<p>Let&#8217;s focus: isn&#8217;t Loopt&#8217;s biggest challenge actually REVENUE (lack of users or even a credible business model for the users they DO have) and not COST at all? Isn&#8217;t the Loopt service generally offered for FREE already (on Sprint, iPhone, etc)? How is cost holding anything back for them?</p>

<p>Look, I love the idea of being able to see where my friends are on my mobile phone. I really do. But Loopt has not cracked the code yet in terms of getting enough customers or getting PAID for the customers they do have. I&#8217;m skeptical that a branded mobile-social network ever will in the face of large existing social networks (Facebook, My Space, etc).</p>

<p>This feels like a meaningless &#8220;news&#8221; item and a distraction for a company that needs to focus on creating a legitimate business.</p>

<p>Can someone help me connect the dots? What am I missing here?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Boomer</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/11/06/loopt-deal-means-lower-costs-for-location-data/#comment-911123</link>
		<dc:creator>Boomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This deal is not really relevant, as Qualcomm does not control the distribution of the location data.  This is like saying that doing a deal with Intel is going to allow me to get a cheaper ThinkPad.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In North America, the carriers control the access to the GPS by making it available through their network.  The only exceptions to this are autonomous GPS devices like the iPhone, Blackberry Curve and Nokia N95, where the GPS data is available directly from the device.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This deal is not really relevant, as Qualcomm does not control the distribution of the location data.  This is like saying that doing a deal with Intel is going to allow me to get a cheaper ThinkPad.</p>

<p>In North America, the carriers control the access to the GPS by making it available through their network.  The only exceptions to this are autonomous GPS devices like the iPhone, Blackberry Curve and Nokia N95, where the GPS data is available directly from the device.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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