Comments on: Orange Rejects Phorm But Hears The Siren Song of Ads http://gigaom.com/2008/10/30/orange-rejects-phorm-but-hears-the-siren-song-of-ads/ Trusted Insights and Conversations on the Next Wave of Technology Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:58:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Do Lower Phone Bills Justify Ads on Your Mobile Phone? http://gigaom.com/2008/10/30/orange-rejects-phorm-but-hears-the-siren-song-of-ads/#comment-956733 Do Lower Phone Bills Justify Ads on Your Mobile Phone? Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:15:53 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=27294#comment-956733 <p>[...] and Orange could possibly see profits from advertising. Like, many ISPs and carriers, Orange has been looking at ways to offer advertising. It may also use this as a way to attract new customers who would graduate to an ad-free version of [...]</p> [...] and Orange could possibly see profits from advertising. Like, many ISPs and carriers, Orange has been looking at ways to offer advertising. It may also use this as a way to attract new customers who would graduate to an ad-free version of [...]

]]> By: Zeugma’s SmartMeter and the End of Unlimited Broadband http://gigaom.com/2008/10/30/orange-rejects-phorm-but-hears-the-siren-song-of-ads/#comment-924432 Zeugma’s SmartMeter and the End of Unlimited Broadband Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:33:03 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=27294#comment-924432 <p>[...] if carriers can goose their revenue with well-planned packages perhaps they won’t need to spy on our surfing in order to sell ads. [...]</p> [...] if carriers can goose their revenue with well-planned packages perhaps they won’t need to spy on our surfing in order to sell ads. [...]

]]> By: Verizon Branches Out With Expensive Online Storage http://gigaom.com/2008/10/30/orange-rejects-phorm-but-hears-the-siren-song-of-ads/#comment-920972 Verizon Branches Out With Expensive Online Storage Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:40:50 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=27294#comment-920972 <p>[...] subscribers (even other companies’) by offering a service rather than capping bandwidth or selling customers’ data, but that’s pricey. Verizon is reselling storage from DigiData. Providers such as Drop.io and [...]</p> [...] subscribers (even other companies’) by offering a service rather than capping bandwidth or selling customers’ data, but that’s pricey. Verizon is reselling storage from DigiData. Providers such as Drop.io and [...]

]]> By: Jonah http://gigaom.com/2008/10/30/orange-rejects-phorm-but-hears-the-siren-song-of-ads/#comment-910327 Jonah Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:49:19 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=27294#comment-910327 <p>@BobLake</p> <p>I have been watching this BT/Phorm System for Two Years & have seen their Original Pages & Full Page ADS which you cannot block with any Protection Software on your PC due to the fact that this DPI system uses Redirections to insert code & entire web pages not asked for by the Web Users.</p> <p>As for other things some of their code is plain illegal, or some employee of the Phorm System is altering the Software Code on that Device without proper authorization?</p> <p>I haven't Surfed for Personal Items or Sensitive Subjects for over a Year now without using a VPN Service, because once the ISP has intercepted (without Lawful Permission) the "Data intended for someone else" the Communication System can no longer be said to be Private or Safe to Use!</p> <p>And Once again we see the same response from a possible Phorm Troll without any Data to back Up such accusations, see below.</p> <p>The "most Vocal critics" of this System are Technologists & WebPage designers who know exactly how these Systems are designed & how the Protocols are Supposed to work, Phorm subverts many of these Protocols in order to gain direct access the the Web Browser or Application & in some case access to other Programs & data on the PC! (Call that uneducated without backup info???)</p> <hr /> <h2>Typical uneducated responses on here.</h2> @BobLake

I have been watching this BT/Phorm System for Two Years & have seen their Original Pages & Full Page ADS which you cannot block with any Protection Software on your PC due to the fact that this DPI system uses Redirections to insert code & entire web pages not asked for by the Web Users.

As for other things some of their code is plain illegal, or some employee of the Phorm System is altering the Software Code on that Device without proper authorization?

I haven’t Surfed for Personal Items or Sensitive Subjects for over a Year now without using a VPN Service, because once the ISP has intercepted (without Lawful Permission) the “Data intended for someone else” the Communication System can no longer be said to be Private or Safe to Use!

And Once again we see the same response from a possible Phorm Troll without any Data to back Up such accusations, see below.

The “most Vocal critics” of this System are Technologists & WebPage designers who know exactly how these Systems are designed & how the Protocols are Supposed to work, Phorm subverts many of these Protocols in order to gain direct access the the Web Browser or Application & in some case access to other Programs & data on the PC! (Call that uneducated without backup info???)

Typical uneducated responses on here.

]]> By: BobLake http://gigaom.com/2008/10/30/orange-rejects-phorm-but-hears-the-siren-song-of-ads/#comment-910175 BobLake Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:18:24 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=27294#comment-910175 <p>Typical uneducated responses on here. The Phorm system and any system like it only looks at very select traffic and then very select info within that traffic. From my reseearch they track nothing more than key words and URLs and advertisng related traffic. The system attaches an anonymous user ID to each IP.</p> <p>Be far more afraid of Google as they see and track and keep much much more user info than any Phorm like technology.</p> Typical uneducated responses on here. The Phorm system and any system like it only looks at very select traffic and then very select info within that traffic. From my reseearch they track nothing more than key words and URLs and advertisng related traffic. The system attaches an anonymous user ID to each IP.

Be far more afraid of Google as they see and track and keep much much more user info than any Phorm like technology.

]]> By: ThomasToscani http://gigaom.com/2008/10/30/orange-rejects-phorm-but-hears-the-siren-song-of-ads/#comment-909911 ThomasToscani Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:25:31 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=27294#comment-909911 <p>Please sign the 10 Downing Street petition here:</p> <p>http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ispphorm/</p> <p>And join us on the nodpi forum to fight Phorm:</p> <p>http://www.nodpi.org</p> Please sign the 10 Downing Street petition here:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ispphorm/

And join us on the nodpi forum to fight Phorm:

http://www.nodpi.org

]]> By: Jonah http://gigaom.com/2008/10/30/orange-rejects-phorm-but-hears-the-siren-song-of-ads/#comment-909444 Jonah Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:21:51 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=27294#comment-909444 <p>Question for the Phorm CEO who seems so proud of being able to preserve peoples privacy & data? :(</p> <p>How can you help People preserve their Privacy & Data Integrity by looking at all their data without any permission to do so; using an "Illegal Wiretap" :( :( :(</p> Question for the Phorm CEO who seems so proud of being able to preserve peoples privacy & data? :(

How can you help People preserve their Privacy & Data Integrity by looking at all their data without any permission to do so; using an “Illegal Wiretap” :( :( :(

]]> By: Jonah http://gigaom.com/2008/10/30/orange-rejects-phorm-but-hears-the-siren-song-of-ads/#comment-909280 Jonah Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:53:12 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=27294#comment-909280 <p>If they go near Nebuad UK it will be like going from the Frying Pan into the Fire. I hope Orange & other ISP/Networks realize that this sort of system is a "pipe dream" dreamt up by advertisers as a "magic bullet".</p> <p>As soon as anything like this becomes intrusive People have a natural habit of changing habits to confuse the Intrusions!</p> <p>All this reminds me of the problem caused when a mathematician put Risk on both sides of an equation & then eliminated it because it was assumed to be equal on both sides of the equation. {The medium you are running in however still exists on both sides though as the Stock Market found out,& is also finding out NOW)</p> <p>Why don't they realize that there is no real "magic bullet" it is all down to good presentation without overloading the Customer on or near the Point of Sale!</p> If they go near Nebuad UK it will be like going from the Frying Pan into the Fire. I hope Orange & other ISP/Networks realize that this sort of system is a “pipe dream” dreamt up by advertisers as a “magic bullet”.

As soon as anything like this becomes intrusive People have a natural habit of changing habits to confuse the Intrusions!

All this reminds me of the problem caused when a mathematician put Risk on both sides of an equation & then eliminated it because it was assumed to be equal on both sides of the equation. {The medium you are running in however still exists on both sides though as the Stock Market found out,& is also finding out NOW)

Why don’t they realize that there is no real “magic bullet” it is all down to good presentation without overloading the Customer on or near the Point of Sale!

]]> By: James H http://gigaom.com/2008/10/30/orange-rejects-phorm-but-hears-the-siren-song-of-ads/#comment-909274 James H Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:50:11 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=27294#comment-909274 <p>Fantastic, a little sense at last.</p> Fantastic, a little sense at last.

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