Comments on: BT’s 21 Century Network Is So…Last Century http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/ Trusted Insights and Conversations on the Next Wave of Technology Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:55:59 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Stacey Higginbotham http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/#comment-904813 Stacey Higginbotham Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:32:55 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=24383#comment-904813 Diane, good to know that BT is considering support for IPv6. If you click through to the blog we reference, you'll see the ISP's response from BT that states: "Thank you for your enquiry concerning IPv6. I can confirm that BT currently supports IPv4 on it's Broadband products and does not support IPv6. If you believe this will be a requirement for you going forward I would ask you to submit a formal Statement of Requirements, to enable BT to formally evaluate the same. We will of course offer you any support you need in submitting an SoR." Sounds like at least one communication providers will take BT up on that offer of support. Diane, good to know that BT is considering support for IPv6. If you click through to the blog we reference, you’ll see the ISP’s response from BT that states:

“Thank you for your enquiry concerning IPv6. I can confirm that BT currently supports IPv4 on it’s Broadband products and does not support IPv6. If you believe this will be a requirement for you going forward I would ask you to submit a formal Statement of Requirements, to enable BT to formally evaluate the same. We will of course offer you any support you need in submitting an SoR.”

Sounds like at least one communication providers will take BT up on that offer of support.

]]> By: Diane Noe http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/#comment-904770 Diane Noe Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:41:17 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=24383#comment-904770 The suggestion that BT does not plan support for IPv6 is misinformed. BT currently supports IPv4 on both 20CN and 21CN, and has developments in place to consider bringing IPv6 to our 21CN platform. BT continues to listen and respond to the needs of its communications provider customers around the introduction of 21CN. If communications providers have a requirement for IPv6, we will work closely with them to ensure that requirement is supported on 21CN, which is fully capable of supporting IPv6. Note: BT Diamond IP IPAM products have supported IPv6 since 2003 and continue to evolve support with increasing customer interest/demand. The suggestion that BT does not plan support for IPv6 is misinformed. BT currently supports IPv4 on both 20CN and 21CN, and has developments in place to consider bringing IPv6 to our 21CN platform. BT continues to listen and respond to the needs of its communications provider customers around the introduction of 21CN. If communications providers have a requirement for IPv6, we will work closely with them to ensure that requirement is supported on 21CN, which is fully capable of supporting IPv6.

Note: BT Diamond IP IPAM products have supported IPv6 since 2003 and continue to evolve support with increasing customer interest/demand.

]]> By: Doug Mohney http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/#comment-904359 Doug Mohney Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:26:27 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=24383#comment-904359 IPv4 vs IPv6 and running out of internet addresses -- the problem that keeps crying wolf. I sat in a machine room above a Chinese restaurant in early 1994 and heard the doom-sayer systems guy proclaim that the Internet was going to hell and run out of IP addresses if we didn't start rationing. And that was in '94, before prolific broadband, before prolific MOBILE broadband, before prolific cable modems or DSL or FiOS. Hell, the highest "backbone" speed on the Internet at that time was OC-3. Yes, OC-3. You were a big swinging richard if you had a T-3 into the Internet in those days. So It's been over a decade plus and now we're back to "We're running out of addresses." Forgive me if I don't run out and scream at this particular piece of carp. IPv4 vs IPv6 and running out of internet addresses — the problem that keeps crying wolf.

I sat in a machine room above a Chinese restaurant in early 1994 and heard the doom-sayer systems guy proclaim that the Internet was going to hell and run out of IP addresses if we didn’t start rationing. And that was in ‘94, before prolific broadband, before prolific MOBILE broadband, before prolific cable modems or DSL or FiOS.

Hell, the highest “backbone” speed on the Internet at that time was OC-3. Yes, OC-3. You were a big swinging richard if you had a T-3 into the Internet in those days.

So It’s been over a decade plus and now we’re back to “We’re running out of addresses.”

Forgive me if I don’t run out and scream at this particular piece of carp.

]]> By: Chris http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/#comment-904219 Chris Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:51:40 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=24383#comment-904219 I have read the BT 21CN information pack - I have also searched their website - can anyone tell me what the benefits are?. I have been pointing my customers at their website - the benefit section sounds like a cheap political broadcast that has totall skirted the topic. They could do with cutting their call rates - http://www.callquality.co.uk/?page=voip_call_rates I have read the BT 21CN information pack – I have also searched their website – can anyone tell me what the benefits are?. I have been pointing my customers at their website – the benefit section sounds like a cheap political broadcast that has totall skirted the topic. They could do with cutting their call rates – http://www.callquality.co.uk/?page=voip_call_rates

]]> By: renaissance chambara | Ged Carroll - Links of the day http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/#comment-904212 renaissance chambara | Ged Carroll - Links of the day Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:03:21 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=24383#comment-904212 [...] BT’s 21 Century Network Is So…Last Century - GigaOM - BT’s next-generation network provides poor shareholder value. [...] [...] BT’s 21 Century Network Is So…Last Century – GigaOM – BT’s next-generation network provides poor shareholder value. [...]

]]> By: Stacey Higginbotham http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/#comment-904056 Stacey Higginbotham Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:52:36 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=24383#comment-904056 The ISP says it appears to be a bug that BT isn't fixing so far, but that BT told them they are not supporting IPv6 at this time. I found that statement rather ironic given the IPv4 predictions, so wrote it up to offer a little levity on such a grim day. You may now return to your regularly scheduled financial crisis. And thanks, Victor, for the clarification. The ISP says it appears to be a bug that BT isn’t fixing so far, but that BT told them they are not supporting IPv6 at this time. I found that statement rather ironic given the IPv4 predictions, so wrote it up to offer a little levity on such a grim day.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled financial crisis.

And thanks, Victor, for the clarification.

]]> By: Daniel Golding http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/#comment-904055 Daniel Golding Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:38:29 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=24383#comment-904055 The market is crashing and you've got this? IPv6 is supported in all of BT's gear. They will switch it on when they need to. While some hardware does not support v6 (some firewalls, etc), everything considered carrier-class does. The predictions that we will run out in 2012 aren't doomsday, either. Those are the conservative ones. The market is crashing and you’ve got this? IPv6 is supported in all of BT’s gear. They will switch it on when they need to. While some hardware does not support v6 (some firewalls, etc), everything considered carrier-class does. The predictions that we will run out in 2012 aren’t doomsday, either. Those are the conservative ones.

]]> By: Andrew Fort http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/#comment-904046 Andrew Fort Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:02:23 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=24383#comment-904046 Victor's right - as long as they run a modern IGP (OSPFv3 or IS-IS), and have 6PE on their roadmap, this isn't a big deal. The real message is that V6 edge deployments on existing networks are non-trivial, and though a lot of work has been done (by both content networks and NSPs), there's still a lot of tricky work left to do until ISPs can offer both v6 and v4 services (particularly if they're on the same edge). Victor’s right – as long as they run a modern IGP (OSPFv3 or IS-IS), and have 6PE on their roadmap, this isn’t a big deal.

The real message is that V6 edge deployments on existing networks are non-trivial, and though a lot of work has been done (by both content networks and NSPs), there’s still a lot of tricky work left to do until ISPs can offer both v6 and v4 services (particularly if they’re on the same edge).

]]> By: 24 Hour News Cycle http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/#comment-904045 24 Hour News Cycle Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:01:14 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=24383#comment-904045 "With the doomsday predictions saying IPv6 addresses will run out some time in 2012" You mean IPv4. Also, I think that a bug that is preventing them from fully supporting IPv6 *today* is different from them having built a $17B physical network that cannot and will not support IPv6. I give their designers, engineers, and vendors the benefit of the doubt on this. “With the doomsday predictions saying IPv6 addresses will run out some time in 2012″

You mean IPv4.

Also, I think that a bug that is preventing them from fully supporting IPv6 *today* is different from them having built a $17B physical network that cannot and will not support IPv6. I give their designers, engineers, and vendors the benefit of the doubt on this.

]]> By: Victor Blake http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/#comment-904043 Victor Blake Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:44:44 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=24383#comment-904043 Supporting IPv6 routing and offering v6 services to customers are two very different things. Sounds to me like you are confusing them. While it is necessary to support v6 routing to offer v6 services, you can also support v6 routing and NOT offer v6 services. Supporting IPv6 routing and offering v6 services to customers are two very different things. Sounds to me like you are confusing them. While it is necessary to support v6 routing to offer v6 services, you can also support v6 routing and NOT offer v6 services.

]]> By: Billing and OSS » IPvNaught http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/#comment-904035 Billing and OSS » IPvNaught Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:46:05 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=24383#comment-904035 [...] Humor from GigaOM: [...] [...] Humor from GigaOM: [...]

]]> By: weightlossguru http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/bts-21-century-network-is-solast-century/#comment-904030 weightlossguru Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:51:54 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=24383#comment-904030 how embarrassing it is to be english sometimes :) got any spare ips? how embarrassing it is to be english sometimes :) got any spare ips?

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