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		<title>By: Amazon, Bill Me Later, eBay and why Bill Me Later could end up being bigger than PayPal &#171; Amazon Kindle, Books &#38; Amazon News Blog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-907844</link>
		<dc:creator>Amazon, Bill Me Later, eBay and why Bill Me Later could end up being bigger than PayPal &#171; Amazon Kindle, Books &#38; Amazon News Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Larry Chiang has a killer good comment regarding Bill Me Later. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Amazon Invests in Bill Me LaterCongress Wants to [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Mark Evans</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-903553</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s an interesting element to the Bill Me Later story: it actually came out of Nortel. More details here: http://tinyurl.com/billmelater&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting element to the Bill Me Later story: it actually came out of Nortel. More details here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/billmelater" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/billmelater</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EJacobsen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-903469</link>
		<dc:creator>EJacobsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are several reasons that this deal makes sense:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1)  Platform:  BML has built and deployed a real-time underwriting decision platform.   (mentioned above by tvlampsn)  This is unique.  It allows &quot;transactional credit underwriting&quot; as opposed to account-based underwriting.  PayPal does not yet have this.  Amazon doesn&#039;t have this.  It&#039;s not an easy thing to do.  This is a critical component of a successful, disruptive credit offering ON and OFF eBay.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Presence:  BML has sold this service very well, capturing a large number of top 200 online merchants representing a large portion of potential payment volume. (mentioned above by the author)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Placement:  The article mentions that, other than Amazon, there is a large overlap of those merchants that accept PayPal and those that accept BML. This is true. But if you look at most of these accounts, BML almost always has better, higher or more upfront, placement on those sites than PayPal does.  For example, BML logos are often represented at the top of the homepage.  PayPal almost never has placement that well placed.  This makes sense because merchants want shoppers to know that they can shop without worrying about how they&#039;ll immediately pay their purchase.  This placement drives awareness and ultimately transaction and payment volume share.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;A Perfect Name.  I believe that many online shoppers, when checking out, select the BillMeLater option, not because they know and understand the credit company BML, but because they think that it&#039;s an invoicing option offered by the merchant.  To them, it&#039;s not a payment company or a new credit card account, but rather an INSTRUCTION they&#039;re giving to the merchant.  &quot;Please bill me later for this purchase.&quot;  For Top 200 merchants, this allows the shopper&#039;s trust in the merchant brand to carry the relatively unknown BML.  I don&#039;t think BML would have been nearly as successful as a start-up payment company if they&#039;d been named, say QuickCredit or EasyCredit.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I think the deal makes sense. But only time will tell if the price is right. The $1.5 billion that eBay paid for PayPal was considered high at the time that deal was done in 2002. But few would argue that the eBay/PayPal deal hasn&#039;t been one of the smartest acquisitions of the last decade.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several reasons that this deal makes sense:</p>

<p>1)  Platform:  BML has built and deployed a real-time underwriting decision platform.   (mentioned above by tvlampsn)  This is unique.  It allows &#8220;transactional credit underwriting&#8221; as opposed to account-based underwriting.  PayPal does not yet have this.  Amazon doesn&#8217;t have this.  It&#8217;s not an easy thing to do.  This is a critical component of a successful, disruptive credit offering ON and OFF eBay.</p>

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<li><p>Presence:  BML has sold this service very well, capturing a large number of top 200 online merchants representing a large portion of potential payment volume. (mentioned above by the author)</p></li>
<li><p>Placement:  The article mentions that, other than Amazon, there is a large overlap of those merchants that accept PayPal and those that accept BML. This is true. But if you look at most of these accounts, BML almost always has better, higher or more upfront, placement on those sites than PayPal does.  For example, BML logos are often represented at the top of the homepage.  PayPal almost never has placement that well placed.  This makes sense because merchants want shoppers to know that they can shop without worrying about how they&#8217;ll immediately pay their purchase.  This placement drives awareness and ultimately transaction and payment volume share.</p></li>
<li><p>A Perfect Name.  I believe that many online shoppers, when checking out, select the BillMeLater option, not because they know and understand the credit company BML, but because they think that it&#8217;s an invoicing option offered by the merchant.  To them, it&#8217;s not a payment company or a new credit card account, but rather an INSTRUCTION they&#8217;re giving to the merchant.  &#8220;Please bill me later for this purchase.&#8221;  For Top 200 merchants, this allows the shopper&#8217;s trust in the merchant brand to carry the relatively unknown BML.  I don&#8217;t think BML would have been nearly as successful as a start-up payment company if they&#8217;d been named, say QuickCredit or EasyCredit.</p></li>
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<p>I think the deal makes sense. But only time will tell if the price is right. The $1.5 billion that eBay paid for PayPal was considered high at the time that deal was done in 2002. But few would argue that the eBay/PayPal deal hasn&#8217;t been one of the smartest acquisitions of the last decade.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: tvlampsn</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-903446</link>
		<dc:creator>tvlampsn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The reason why nothing is like BML is the way that they are able to assess the creditworthiness of someone applying.  They are said to be able to do this better and quicker than banks and their lines of credit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is what eBay is buying that Amazon can&#039;t build.  Unless they license the technology from eBay/BML in which case it would be easier for them to use the original.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If anything, Amazon is the company to try to pull this off.  They&#039;ve moved away from being a retailer and are evolving into a platform.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason why nothing is like BML is the way that they are able to assess the creditworthiness of someone applying.  They are said to be able to do this better and quicker than banks and their lines of credit.</p>

<p>This is what eBay is buying that Amazon can&#8217;t build.  Unless they license the technology from eBay/BML in which case it would be easier for them to use the original.</p>

<p>If anything, Amazon is the company to try to pull this off.  They&#8217;ve moved away from being a retailer and are evolving into a platform.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Larry Chiang</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-903431</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Chiang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;well-written!  I think it is interesting that of the &quot;payPal mafia&quot;, very few have taken a whack at p2p payements.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In my guestimation&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(1) I think BillMeLater is one of the biggest adoptions of a new form of payment since Discover and Amazon would be hard-pressed to recreate the level of consumer adoption.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(2) eBay is smart is doing this deal to take on a new form of payments.  Quite frankly, GooglePay could have bought BMLater and shed it&#039;s one-hit-wonder status.  What I mean is that GPay could have left the Internet and gone real world with Google waiving merchant fees and making it less costly for real world and online merchants to process payments.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(3) CONFESSION: I learned about this deal over lunch with a VC.  It is bad when a dude who reads coverage is telling you about a deal squarely in your industry.  yeah, I have been in credit/payments industry since 1989&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(4)  BMLater could have been a bank (industrial loan corporation).  I predict that with the consolidation of credit card firms and the contraction of consumer credit choices, major retailers (Walmart, Target, Amazon, GE) will be allowed to explore ILCs.  These Industrial loan corporations were frowned upon two years ago but I am guessing will   be reopened and reexplored now&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(5) A hidden point of trivia is that BMLater decreases abandoned shopping carts.  Merchants save money on processing and make money selling more stuff.  Google so missed the boat.  Congrats to eBay.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(6) Opportunity Knocked.  If I were a VC not to avoid, http://gigaom.com/2008/01/08/9-vcs-youre-gonna-want-to-avoid/ I would chip in money on BMLater2.0 and get a figure head &quot;mobster&quot; from PayPal to start it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you hear of something like this email or text me chiang9@duck9.com or 650-283-8008&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well-written!  I think it is interesting that of the &#8220;payPal mafia&#8221;, very few have taken a whack at p2p payements.</p>

<p>In my guestimation</p>

<p>(1) I think BillMeLater is one of the biggest adoptions of a new form of payment since Discover and Amazon would be hard-pressed to recreate the level of consumer adoption.</p>

<p>(2) eBay is smart is doing this deal to take on a new form of payments.  Quite frankly, GooglePay could have bought BMLater and shed it&#8217;s one-hit-wonder status.  What I mean is that GPay could have left the Internet and gone real world with Google waiving merchant fees and making it less costly for real world and online merchants to process payments.</p>

<p>(3) CONFESSION: I learned about this deal over lunch with a VC.  It is bad when a dude who reads coverage is telling you about a deal squarely in your industry.  yeah, I have been in credit/payments industry since 1989</p>

<p>(4)  BMLater could have been a bank (industrial loan corporation).  I predict that with the consolidation of credit card firms and the contraction of consumer credit choices, major retailers (Walmart, Target, Amazon, GE) will be allowed to explore ILCs.  These Industrial loan corporations were frowned upon two years ago but I am guessing will   be reopened and reexplored now</p>

<p>(5) A hidden point of trivia is that BMLater decreases abandoned shopping carts.  Merchants save money on processing and make money selling more stuff.  Google so missed the boat.  Congrats to eBay.</p>

<p>(6) Opportunity Knocked.  If I were a VC not to avoid, <a href="http://gigaom.com/2008/01/08/9-vcs-youre-gonna-want-to-avoid/" rel="nofollow">http://gigaom.com/2008/01/08/9-vcs-youre-gonna-want-to-avoid/</a> I would chip in money on BMLater2.0 and get a figure head &#8220;mobster&#8221; from PayPal to start it.</p>

<p>If you hear of something like this email or text me <a href="mailto:chiang9@duck9.com">chiang9@duck9.com</a> or 650-283-8008</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: joiful1</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-903423</link>
		<dc:creator>joiful1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nay sayers, but no one could see the phenonmenal growth BML experienced in a short time either. I say play your cards close to your chest and see what happens. It could another breakthru since Bill Me Later, Inc has sustained itself and customer base during economic hard times.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nay sayers, but no one could see the phenonmenal growth BML experienced in a short time either. I say play your cards close to your chest and see what happens. It could another breakthru since Bill Me Later, Inc has sustained itself and customer base during economic hard times.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-903407</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ditto for @bobby m - for less than 900 million, amazon can use their team of highly skilled engineers to build a clone of this service with tighter integration and customization offerings for amazon merchants and all amazon sellers - and what a timely waste of money in light of ebay&#039;s layoffs....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the real question: if this was such an opportunity, why wasn&#039;t the paypal unit building this kind of offering two years ago?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ditto for @bobby m &#8211; for less than 900 million, amazon can use their team of highly skilled engineers to build a clone of this service with tighter integration and customization offerings for amazon merchants and all amazon sellers &#8211; and what a timely waste of money in light of ebay&#8217;s layoffs&#8230;.</p>

<p>the real question: if this was such an opportunity, why wasn&#8217;t the paypal unit building this kind of offering two years ago?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bobby M</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-903393</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Me thinks eBay threw money towards competitive grwoth, rather than acquiring yet another payment service. Lets face it, there is nothing unique about BML. However, it now cuts into Amazon&#039;s payment options for its customers. So was this a strategically correct move - yes. Was it worth the price - No.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It took ~$1 Billion to buy out BML - that is ridiculous. Amazon will invest about 1% or less in creating a new payment method in line with BML. Sure it will end up being a proprietary system catering only to Amazon&#039;s needs, but the feature will exist. The &quot;bleeding&quot; of Amazon is not justified here if eBay is going to bleed more - and that is the bottom-line here.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me thinks eBay threw money towards competitive grwoth, rather than acquiring yet another payment service. Lets face it, there is nothing unique about BML. However, it now cuts into Amazon&#8217;s payment options for its customers. So was this a strategically correct move &#8211; yes. Was it worth the price &#8211; No.</p>

<p>It took ~$1 Billion to buy out BML &#8211; that is ridiculous. Amazon will invest about 1% or less in creating a new payment method in line with BML. Sure it will end up being a proprietary system catering only to Amazon&#8217;s needs, but the feature will exist. The &#8220;bleeding&#8221; of Amazon is not justified here if eBay is going to bleed more &#8211; and that is the bottom-line here.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: tj</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-903358</link>
		<dc:creator>tj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;At nearly $15 stock, eBay(read Paypal) must be looking very good as a hostile takeover....that would be a very nice day&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At nearly $15 stock, eBay(read Paypal) must be looking very good as a hostile takeover&#8230;.that would be a very nice day</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Yogi</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-903357</link>
		<dc:creator>Yogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To call Paypal debit oriented is completely absurd. Paypal process mostly credit card payments and is in fact an intermediary to standard credit card companies, their share in prepaid accounts and ACH debits is minimal.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To call Paypal debit oriented is completely absurd. Paypal process mostly credit card payments and is in fact an intermediary to standard credit card companies, their share in prepaid accounts and ACH debits is minimal.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jd</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-903354</link>
		<dc:creator>jd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Marginal analysis in this post. Obviously Amazon was involved in acquisition talks and apparently passed at that insane price. $150 million in &#039;09 is wishful thinking at best. Ebay has been hoodwinked yet again in the acquisition game. Amazon, unlike Paypal or Ebay could create a service like BML that actually works.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Has anyone added up the price of all of Ebay&#039;s acquisitions? Skype (4.2b), Paypal (1.5b), Rent.com (.4b), Shopping.com (.6b), Verisign Payments (.5b), Bml (.9b), Danish classified ads (.4b), Butterfield (.3b), Stubhub (.3b), Half (.3b), Fraud Sciences (.2b), various international auction sites (?).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marginal analysis in this post. Obviously Amazon was involved in acquisition talks and apparently passed at that insane price. $150 million in &#8216;09 is wishful thinking at best. Ebay has been hoodwinked yet again in the acquisition game. Amazon, unlike Paypal or Ebay could create a service like BML that actually works.</p>

<p>Has anyone added up the price of all of Ebay&#8217;s acquisitions? Skype (4.2b), Paypal (1.5b), Rent.com (.4b), Shopping.com (.6b), Verisign Payments (.5b), Bml (.9b), Danish classified ads (.4b), Butterfield (.3b), Stubhub (.3b), Half (.3b), Fraud Sciences (.2b), various international auction sites (?).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Phil Michaelson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-903314</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Michaelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting.  In due diligence, an acquirer often contacts customers of, and shareholders in, a target.  I wonder if Amazon made some commitments to eBay.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  In due diligence, an acquirer often contacts customers of, and shareholders in, a target.  I wonder if Amazon made some commitments to eBay.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jason Kiesel</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/10/06/will-amazon-ditch-bill-me-later-after-ebay-takes-over/#comment-903298</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Kiesel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You can count on this acquisition by Ebay to be yet another failure. BillMeLater is a crummy service and doesn&#039;t provide any value add. It&#039;s basically another credit card when you do get approved. One more company to have my private data, and one more company that can leak my private data. No thanks. I&#039;ll stick to Visa/Mastercard. Whoever is managing Ebay&#039;s acquisitions sure isn&#039;t doing a very good job.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jason Kiesel
Founder &amp; CEO
http://www.freedomspeaks.com&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can count on this acquisition by Ebay to be yet another failure. BillMeLater is a crummy service and doesn&#8217;t provide any value add. It&#8217;s basically another credit card when you do get approved. One more company to have my private data, and one more company that can leak my private data. No thanks. I&#8217;ll stick to Visa/Mastercard. Whoever is managing Ebay&#8217;s acquisitions sure isn&#8217;t doing a very good job.</p>

<p>Jason Kiesel
Founder &amp; CEO
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