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		<title>By: But It Goes To 11 &#8230; &#171; thoughts on computing</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-968552</link>
		<dc:creator>But It Goes To 11 &#8230; &#171; thoughts on computing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Google Invests in Satellite Broadband Startup [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Google Knows the Mobile Web Isn’t Only About Phones &#124; tech.shaundunne.com</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-939937</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Knows the Mobile Web Isn’t Only About Phones &#124; tech.shaundunne.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] It&#8217;s also pushing wireless access through unlicensed bands such as whites spaces, and by investments in satellite companies. This takes carriers out of the equation (neutering potential attempts to cut into Google&#8217;s [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Google&#8217;s New Fund Should Advance Its Goals, If It Has Them</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google&#8217;s New Fund Should Advance Its Goals, If It Has Them</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] need in order to build the expertise to make smart investments. (Google already has investments in satellite companies, clean technologies, smart grid and WiMAX.) There&#8217;s also a fine line between thinking like a [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: China sms news: - Australian Olympic athletes had drinks spiked in Beijing - Age</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-900063</link>
		<dc:creator>China sms news: - Australian Olympic athletes had drinks spiked in Beijing - Age</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Google is one of the many investors who together have put $60 million into O3b Networks , a St. John, Jersey, Channel Islands-based startup that is looking to offer Internet services in the emerging world, especially areas that are far away from the &#8230; (read more &#8230;) [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Google is one of the many investors who together have put $60 million into O3b Networks , a St. John, Jersey, Channel Islands-based startup that is looking to offer Internet services in the emerging world, especially areas that are far away from the &#8230; (read more &#8230;) [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The O3b &#171; Pizzarebbe&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-899241</link>
		<dc:creator>The O3b &#171; Pizzarebbe&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Om Malik on O3b [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: DennisSC</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-898978</link>
		<dc:creator>DennisSC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not privy to the technical ways and wherefores, but in light of Craig Rubens&#039; remark, I think a moment of recognition of Arthur C. Clark in light of a project like this would be appropo.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not privy to the technical ways and wherefores, but in light of Craig Rubens&#8217; remark, I think a moment of recognition of Arthur C. Clark in light of a project like this would be appropo.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Google investiert in Satelliten-Netzbetreiber : VitoNet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google investiert in Satelliten-Netzbetreiber : VitoNet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] GigaOM Technorati tags: Google, Satellit, Internet, [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Coconut Wireless</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-898657</link>
		<dc:creator>Coconut Wireless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear Google,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Please don&#039;t forget about us in the South Pacific.  We are not many, so laying cable to us makes even less sense.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Om, heard you on The World today!  You did a great job!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Google,</p>

<p>Please don&#8217;t forget about us in the South Pacific.  We are not many, so laying cable to us makes even less sense.</p>

<p>Om, heard you on The World today!  You did a great job!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-898641</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looking to the picture of the satellite it is obvious this satellite is using the Globalstar LEO bus manufactured by Alenia for Loral/Globalstar LEO satellite telephony system, which failed miserably in a marketplace because of service cost vs. GSM system. The biggest problem is going to be a business viability of such system which much more expensive than GEO satellite system, and operational/replacement costs will kill or will force them into the destitution. Unlike always profitable GEO satellite systems, LEO/MEO systems are fundamentally weak, look what&#039;s happened to Iridium, Globalstar, Teledesic, ICO etc., etc, most of them are gone, few of them surviving only because of DOD contracts, but each of them made losses to investors in ten&#039;s of billions of dollars.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking to the picture of the satellite it is obvious this satellite is using the Globalstar LEO bus manufactured by Alenia for Loral/Globalstar LEO satellite telephony system, which failed miserably in a marketplace because of service cost vs. GSM system. The biggest problem is going to be a business viability of such system which much more expensive than GEO satellite system, and operational/replacement costs will kill or will force them into the destitution. Unlike always profitable GEO satellite systems, LEO/MEO systems are fundamentally weak, look what&#8217;s happened to Iridium, Globalstar, Teledesic, ICO etc., etc, most of them are gone, few of them surviving only because of DOD contracts, but each of them made losses to investors in ten&#8217;s of billions of dollars.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-898637</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Even if it is a LEO (or MEO, who knows) not a GEO system without spectrum - O3b Networks is just a pipe dream. I remember in the 90&#039;s when Teledesic sponsored by Mr. McCaw and by another billionaire Mr. Gates, it took them many years to convince the ITU and the GEO satellite operators that they future LEO Teledesic satellite system will NOT create a harmful interference to existing and future (with priority ITU filing) GEO systems through elaborate beam switching scheme on-board of each LEO satellite to prevent interference to GEO systems. I believe this cellular entrepreneurs from O3b are for rude awakening to the process called ITU satellite coordination (see a recent ProtoStar 09/05/2008 press release: ProtoStar and Russian Intersputnik Finalize Joint Orbital Location-Services Agreement‏). With all my respect to Google, HSBC and Liberty Media, I remain skeptical, even if they have a protected (coordinated) spectrum - to built and launch all 16 LEO (LEO or MEO - they don&#039;t tell what it is) satellites by 2010 for $650 million and have them operational (to build, launch and insure all for $40 million per satellite!) the numbers and schedule don&#039;t make any sense. This is my very humble opinion.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it is a LEO (or MEO, who knows) not a GEO system without spectrum &#8211; O3b Networks is just a pipe dream. I remember in the 90&#8217;s when Teledesic sponsored by Mr. McCaw and by another billionaire Mr. Gates, it took them many years to convince the ITU and the GEO satellite operators that they future LEO Teledesic satellite system will NOT create a harmful interference to existing and future (with priority ITU filing) GEO systems through elaborate beam switching scheme on-board of each LEO satellite to prevent interference to GEO systems. I believe this cellular entrepreneurs from O3b are for rude awakening to the process called ITU satellite coordination (see a recent ProtoStar 09/05/2008 press release: ProtoStar and Russian Intersputnik Finalize Joint Orbital Location-Services Agreement‏). With all my respect to Google, HSBC and Liberty Media, I remain skeptical, even if they have a protected (coordinated) spectrum &#8211; to built and launch all 16 LEO (LEO or MEO &#8211; they don&#8217;t tell what it is) satellites by 2010 for $650 million and have them operational (to build, launch and insure all for $40 million per satellite!) the numbers and schedule don&#8217;t make any sense. This is my very humble opinion.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Google Broadband &#171; Tinder</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-898610</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Broadband &#171; Tinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/      Posted by chrisw Filed in Infrastructure &#183;Tags: africa, bandwidth, broadband, google, Infrastructure, o3b, satellite [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/" rel="nofollow">http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/</a>      Posted by chrisw Filed in Infrastructure &#183;Tags: africa, bandwidth, broadband, google, Infrastructure, o3b, satellite [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: chrisw</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-898609</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve written a critical review of the project at http://tinderblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/google-broadband/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“I think that their US$ 750 million investment in satellites will be useless within 20 years of launch due to degradation (NYT claims a 10-15 year life for MEO satellites), whereas building more land capacity in Africa would have much longer-lasting benefits.”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“Google clearly wishes to use this project to enable broadband Internet access in developing regions, but many other things must be in place, including fixed power infrastructure, PCs or OLPCs, technical support and skills, and demand and useful content and services for areas with lower literacy, before that can happen.”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You wrote:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;They have a dedicated Ka-band satellite and as a result, the large available Ka-band spectrum can help deliver bandwidth at speeds of Gigabit/second and higher.&quot; I believe that Ka-band has issues with rain fade, and the weather in Africa is often bad and likely to get worse, particularly at times when people might need a phone service for emergencies&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;O3b Networks uses parabolic antennas, which reduce latency.&quot; I think the key to reducing latency is the low orbit of the satellites, and I can&#039;t see how the antenna shape makes any difference.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Their birds — 16 of them — are going to be positioned at 8,063 kms from the Earth, which allows them to add new satellites.&quot; You can add new satellites in any orbit, and I don&#039;t see any plans for more than 16 of them.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve written a critical review of the project at <a href="http://tinderblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/google-broadband/" rel="nofollow">http://tinderblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/google-broadband/</a></p>

<p>“I think that their US$ 750 million investment in satellites will be useless within 20 years of launch due to degradation (NYT claims a 10-15 year life for MEO satellites), whereas building more land capacity in Africa would have much longer-lasting benefits.”</p>

<p>“Google clearly wishes to use this project to enable broadband Internet access in developing regions, but many other things must be in place, including fixed power infrastructure, PCs or OLPCs, technical support and skills, and demand and useful content and services for areas with lower literacy, before that can happen.”</p>

<p>You wrote:</p>

<p>&#8220;They have a dedicated Ka-band satellite and as a result, the large available Ka-band spectrum can help deliver bandwidth at speeds of Gigabit/second and higher.&#8221; I believe that Ka-band has issues with rain fade, and the weather in Africa is often bad and likely to get worse, particularly at times when people might need a phone service for emergencies</p>

<p>&#8220;O3b Networks uses parabolic antennas, which reduce latency.&#8221; I think the key to reducing latency is the low orbit of the satellites, and I can&#8217;t see how the antenna shape makes any difference.</p>

<p>&#8220;Their birds — 16 of them — are going to be positioned at 8,063 kms from the Earth, which allows them to add new satellites.&#8221; You can add new satellites in any orbit, and I don&#8217;t see any plans for more than 16 of them.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve Cerruti</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-898594</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Cerruti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are some issues with this article. Mostly centered around the bullet points. Some of it is simply formatting, but some of it makes very little sense the way it is written.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The low latency will come from the orbit that is chosen, less distance to the satellite will mean less latency. However to increase bandwidth you need to use directional (versus omnidirectional) antennas and therefore require parabolic dishes that actively track the satellite. These are orders of magnitude more expensive to purchase and operate than fixed VSAT antennas. The orbit may allow for additional satellites, but as you add additional satellites complexity for routing increases exponentially.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In response to Prashant Singh&#039;s comment regarding Iridium, this project is more an evolution of existing VSAT technology. The significant difference is that the satellites will be communicating with fixed ground stations that will most likely use multiple dishes for continuous operation rather than mobile handsets with omnidirectional antennas.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It still faces the fundamental problems that Iridium did in both the political quagmire of offering services in multiple countries and the long development and deployment time for satellite based systems having a tendency to make them obsolete at or near service launch.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some issues with this article. Mostly centered around the bullet points. Some of it is simply formatting, but some of it makes very little sense the way it is written.</p>

<p>The low latency will come from the orbit that is chosen, less distance to the satellite will mean less latency. However to increase bandwidth you need to use directional (versus omnidirectional) antennas and therefore require parabolic dishes that actively track the satellite. These are orders of magnitude more expensive to purchase and operate than fixed VSAT antennas. The orbit may allow for additional satellites, but as you add additional satellites complexity for routing increases exponentially.</p>

<p>In response to Prashant Singh&#8217;s comment regarding Iridium, this project is more an evolution of existing VSAT technology. The significant difference is that the satellites will be communicating with fixed ground stations that will most likely use multiple dishes for continuous operation rather than mobile handsets with omnidirectional antennas.</p>

<p>It still faces the fundamental problems that Iridium did in both the political quagmire of offering services in multiple countries and the long development and deployment time for satellite based systems having a tendency to make them obsolete at or near service launch.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nick Stamoulis</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-898576</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Stamoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting..we just saw another report about Google sending a satellite into space to collect user&#039;s data as opposed to helping &quot;emerging worlds&quot; get their service.  Funny at the crazy conflicting reports I read on a daily basis!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting..we just saw another report about Google sending a satellite into space to collect user&#8217;s data as opposed to helping &#8220;emerging worlds&#8221; get their service.  Funny at the crazy conflicting reports I read on a daily basis!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Prashant Singh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-898569</link>
		<dc:creator>Prashant Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How soon we forgot Iridium  . Eienstien was right there is no match to human stupidity&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Craig Rubens</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/09/09/google-invests-in-satellite-based-internet-startup/#comment-898556</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Rubens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google became self-aware at 2:14am EDT August 29, 2009.&lt;/p&gt;
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