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		<title>By: Zoho, an unassuming success story &#171; Data Driven with a Human Touch</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/10/fr-zoho-founder-offers-5-rules-for-recruiting-well/#comment-969401</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoho, an unassuming success story &#171; Data Driven with a Human Touch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vembu has over 1000 employees.  Many of whom he recruited directly from high school and trained into programmers in the university that the company runs.  He recruited from candidates pools that were traditionally underserved by local universities and got unwavering loyalty from those he offered the opportunities to.   He definitely has the guts to think differently and do it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Vembu has over 1000 employees.  Many of whom he recruited directly from high school and trained into programmers in the university that the company runs.  He recruited from candidates pools that were traditionally underserved by local universities and got unwavering loyalty from those he offered the opportunities to.   He definitely has the guts to think differently and do it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Don’t Let HR Hire &#124; Job Searching Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don’t Let HR Hire &#124; Job Searching Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] F&#124;R: Zoho Founder Offers 5 Rules for Recruiting Well [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sridhar Vembu</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/10/fr-zoho-founder-offers-5-rules-for-recruiting-well/#comment-893149</link>
		<dc:creator>Sridhar Vembu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the concrete vs abstract knowledge, this debate is utterly pointless. Simply visit a typical engineering college around Chennai, find out what is actually taught, and then evaluate they are serving any students or not. And they charge $2-3,000 dollars a year for that &quot;education&quot;.

On the subject of reading academic papers, I have a PhD from one of the most &quot;prestigious&quot; schools out there - highly mathematical stuff. I actually try to read the latest in programming language literature (a subject I have a fairly active interest in). I cannot read any of the literature anymore. The academic and the practicing industrial worlds have long disconnected, with very occasional and rare exceptions - and in those cases, they do write fairly practical, accessible papers.

In the US, Computer Science enrollment at the undergraduate level has plummeted 50% int he last 10 years. Have you thought about why? I content increasing levels of abstractions in academia has something to do with it.

If AdventNet engineers (and the AdventNet CEO!) are going to have a problem that they cannot understand most academic literature in Computer Science, well, it is an honor they will share with much of the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the concrete vs abstract knowledge, this debate is utterly pointless. Simply visit a typical engineering college around Chennai, find out what is actually taught, and then evaluate they are serving any students or not. And they charge $2-3,000 dollars a year for that &#8220;education&#8221;.</p>
<p>On the subject of reading academic papers, I have a PhD from one of the most &#8220;prestigious&#8221; schools out there &#8211; highly mathematical stuff. I actually try to read the latest in programming language literature (a subject I have a fairly active interest in). I cannot read any of the literature anymore. The academic and the practicing industrial worlds have long disconnected, with very occasional and rare exceptions &#8211; and in those cases, they do write fairly practical, accessible papers.</p>
<p>In the US, Computer Science enrollment at the undergraduate level has plummeted 50% int he last 10 years. Have you thought about why? I content increasing levels of abstractions in academia has something to do with it.</p>
<p>If AdventNet engineers (and the AdventNet CEO!) are going to have a problem that they cannot understand most academic literature in Computer Science, well, it is an honor they will share with much of the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Mani</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/10/fr-zoho-founder-offers-5-rules-for-recruiting-well/#comment-893137</link>
		<dc:creator>Mani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neeran,

I believe those  who are interested will learn the abstract or useful stuff by them self. There is a mythical belief that going to college adds value &amp; gives the necessary skill. 

This interview from a recently passed out engineering graduate captures this well ( it is a old post but still relevant to this discussion )

http://blog.yuvisense.net/2006/12/09/interview-with-sriram-krishnan/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neeran,</p>
<p>I believe those  who are interested will learn the abstract or useful stuff by them self. There is a mythical belief that going to college adds value &amp; gives the necessary skill. </p>
<p>This interview from a recently passed out engineering graduate captures this well ( it is a old post but still relevant to this discussion )</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.yuvisense.net/2006/12/09/interview-with-sriram-krishnan/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.yuvisense.net/2006/12/09/interview-with-sriram-krishnan/</a></p>
<p>Mani.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually if we ignore point 3, around training, this is a really good post. We at Aroxo are currently hiring and I&#039;ve already copied and pasted point 2 directly into a slide to work on.

Great post and, personally, I&#039;m very impressed by your approach to training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually if we ignore point 3, around training, this is a really good post. We at Aroxo are currently hiring and I&#8217;ve already copied and pasted point 2 directly into a slide to work on.</p>
<p>Great post and, personally, I&#8217;m very impressed by your approach to training.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know, Product Development companies never hire a NIIT or an Aptech Grad, just by virtue of those degrees. These companies are surviving because they have a market created by outsourcing companies like Infosys.

Forget about them being Arhcitects, Wirpo has few non-technical guys as managers handling mid-large teams and I only pity the &quot;Engineers&quot; working for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, Product Development companies never hire a NIIT or an Aptech Grad, just by virtue of those degrees. These companies are surviving because they have a market created by outsourcing companies like Infosys.</p>
<p>Forget about them being Arhcitects, Wirpo has few non-technical guys as managers handling mid-large teams and I only pity the &#8220;Engineers&#8221; working for them.</p>
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		<title>By: annonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>annonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate this Guy. Sometime back I read an article where he recruits high school kids to his so called his university and grinds them in his ZOHO factory.Leave the kids,let them enjoy their life. Let them realize what is good and bad for them.Then only we can expect people doing some extra-ordinary things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate this Guy. Sometime back I read an article where he recruits high school kids to his so called his university and grinds them in his ZOHO factory.Leave the kids,let them enjoy their life. Let them realize what is good and bad for them.Then only we can expect people doing some extra-ordinary things.</p>
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		<title>By: Neeran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neeran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You talked about taking kids out of high school and training them with a heavy emphasis on &quot;actual programming&quot; - as if the rest of Computer Science, the abstract stuff, is irrelevant to &quot;actual programming&quot;.  The kids might well prefer programming to theory.  They&#039;re too immature to know that they need the grounding of the theory.  You should know better.

What you&#039;re doing is creating an army of programmers, whose careers will be stunted after 10,15 years at the most.  Sure, they can be &quot;retrained&quot; on the latest, coolest scripting language, the latest platform, etc.  How long will it sustain them?  Will they ever climb the ladder to meatier roles?  Will they be trusted to architect products and services, to design user interfaces?  Will they know how to design scalable infrastructure?  Will they even be able to read academic research or industry experience papers and bring that learning to bear in their jobs?

If it&#039;s any consolation, you&#039;re hardly alone in this approach.  Training institutes all over India (NIIT, Aptech types) have been churning out programmers for years now...  We&#039;re now starting to &quot;discover&quot; the limits to what they can accomplish.  Not everyone can get a pure computer science education, but a proper engineering background at least is essential to ensure a successful 30-40 year career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You talked about taking kids out of high school and training them with a heavy emphasis on &#8220;actual programming&#8221; &#8211; as if the rest of Computer Science, the abstract stuff, is irrelevant to &#8220;actual programming&#8221;.  The kids might well prefer programming to theory.  They&#8217;re too immature to know that they need the grounding of the theory.  You should know better.</p>
<p>What you&#8217;re doing is creating an army of programmers, whose careers will be stunted after 10,15 years at the most.  Sure, they can be &#8220;retrained&#8221; on the latest, coolest scripting language, the latest platform, etc.  How long will it sustain them?  Will they ever climb the ladder to meatier roles?  Will they be trusted to architect products and services, to design user interfaces?  Will they know how to design scalable infrastructure?  Will they even be able to read academic research or industry experience papers and bring that learning to bear in their jobs?</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s any consolation, you&#8217;re hardly alone in this approach.  Training institutes all over India (NIIT, Aptech types) have been churning out programmers for years now&#8230;  We&#8217;re now starting to &#8220;discover&#8221; the limits to what they can accomplish.  Not everyone can get a pure computer science education, but a proper engineering background at least is essential to ensure a successful 30-40 year career.</p>
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		<title>By: Om</title>
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		<dc:creator>Om</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sridhar, 

As far as I know, AdventNet pays 5,000 INR ($USD 120) in a month for the recruited employees via other colleges. You do not pay them as they are not from good colleges. In South India every one is an engineer with engineering colleges being sprouted up everywhere like mushrooms. And yes, after 1 year you make them perment with salary I guess upto 10K/12K INR ($240 USD - $260 USD). I guess in the US, even street sweepers earn more than that. 

Honestly, it seems to be exploitative - even considering India, with per capita income of $950 USD (in a year, and I think that is the number). Yes, you do pay well to candidates from good collges. 

With all due respect, Sridhar, this model is going to work only in Chennai or many parts of Southern India (I guess it is where your office is located) as engineers are churned like a B grade movie flick. And not everyone needs to be do hard core programming, neither in an application like ZOHO (not to take away the credit of its being good) you do not expose them as a Sun or Google do via APIs or even if you do they are not going crash a NASA satellite launch.  

Nevertheless, as long as India can not feed its children, your efforts are really commendable and it is really a great humanitarian effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sridhar, </p>
<p>As far as I know, AdventNet pays 5,000 INR ($USD 120) in a month for the recruited employees via other colleges. You do not pay them as they are not from good colleges. In South India every one is an engineer with engineering colleges being sprouted up everywhere like mushrooms. And yes, after 1 year you make them perment with salary I guess upto 10K/12K INR ($240 USD &#8211; $260 USD). I guess in the US, even street sweepers earn more than that. </p>
<p>Honestly, it seems to be exploitative &#8211; even considering India, with per capita income of $950 USD (in a year, and I think that is the number). Yes, you do pay well to candidates from good collges. </p>
<p>With all due respect, Sridhar, this model is going to work only in Chennai or many parts of Southern India (I guess it is where your office is located) as engineers are churned like a B grade movie flick. And not everyone needs to be do hard core programming, neither in an application like ZOHO (not to take away the credit of its being good) you do not expose them as a Sun or Google do via APIs or even if you do they are not going crash a NASA satellite launch.  </p>
<p>Nevertheless, as long as India can not feed its children, your efforts are really commendable and it is really a great humanitarian effort.</p>
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		<title>By: There is no link &#124; Programmer's Log</title>
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		<dc:creator>There is no link &#124; Programmer's Log</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zoho Founder Offers 5 Rules for Recruiting Well Yet another article on how to recruit. Some good advice, but don&#8217;t make it into a mantra or stand still or you wil find it starts to not work. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 5 Recruiting Tips from the Zoho Team &#8212; Damn Good Manager</title>
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		<dc:creator>5 Recruiting Tips from the Zoho Team &#8212; Damn Good Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As we&#8217;ve discussed a number of times on this blog, hiring is a challenge, even for highly skilled and experienced managers. It&#8217;s one thing when you think about hiring for roles within an existing and well established business, but it can be even more challenging when you are tasked with hiring within a start-up environment or eve... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As we&#8217;ve discussed a number of times on this blog, hiring is a challenge, even for highly skilled and experienced managers. It&#8217;s one thing when you think about hiring for roles within an existing and well established business, but it can be even more challenging when you are tasked with hiring within a start-up environment or eve&#8230; [...]</p>
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