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	<title>Comments on: Congressional Scrutiny Hurting NebuAd</title>
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		<title>By: FTC to Take a Deep Look at DPI? &#124; Design Website</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-954612</link>
		<dc:creator>FTC to Take a Deep Look at DPI? &#124; Design Website</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] are made aware of invasive practices such as search firms storing your search data for months and ISPs trying to sell your surfing habits to advertisers. From the post: Although Vladeck didn&#8217;t say more on the subject (this was only [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are made aware of invasive practices such as search firms storing your search data for months and ISPs trying to sell your surfing habits to advertisers. From the post: Although Vladeck didn&#8217;t say more on the subject (this was only [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: FTC to Take a Deep Look at DPI?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-954593</link>
		<dc:creator>FTC to Take a Deep Look at DPI?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] are made aware of invasive practices such as search firms storing your search data for months and ISPs trying to sell your surfing habits to advertisers. From the post: Although Vladeck didn&#8217;t say more on the subject (this was only [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are made aware of invasive practices such as search firms storing your search data for months and ISPs trying to sell your surfing habits to advertisers. From the post: Although Vladeck didn&#8217;t say more on the subject (this was only [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: NebuAd Bites the Dust</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-944415</link>
		<dc:creator>NebuAd Bites the Dust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] was pushing the envelope on behavioral advertising. In doing so, it attempted to fulfill the dreams of ISPs by letting them get into the lucrative [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: ISPs Tell Congress They Don&#8217;t Need Privacy Laws - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-901692</link>
		<dc:creator>ISPs Tell Congress They Don&#8217;t Need Privacy Laws - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] the hullabaloo about NebuAd, which wanted to use deep packet inspection technology to determine where users surfed and then [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: NebuAd Loses CEO, Won&#8217;t Admit Defeat - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-897292</link>
		<dc:creator>NebuAd Loses CEO, Won&#8217;t Admit Defeat - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Higginbotham, Tuesday, September 2, 2008 at 6:06 PM PT Comments (0)    After layoffs last month and an Associated Press article today pointed out that NebuAd has little or no future based on its [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Higginbotham, Tuesday, September 2, 2008 at 6:06 PM PT Comments (0)    After layoffs last month and an Associated Press article today pointed out that NebuAd has little or no future based on its [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jonah</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-893416</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m in the UK, I don&#039;t use gmail &amp; I block &quot;all cookies &amp; scripting including Google&quot;, except for a few Websites.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But being with BT on the Kingston RAS, I&#039;ve not been able to do any personal/private surfing for nigh on TWO Years, without VPN.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I detected something wrong with BT in Summer 2006, but was not able to locate the problem properly until Phorm went Public.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I know the difference between Phorm/Webwise &amp; Google &amp; it isn&#039;t good!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To Cap what isn&#039;t normally mentioned is that these DPI systems are capable of DIRECT DATA Injection into the WEB Browser or any Application which uses a Browser Agent String!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I Strongly suspect this company of injecting Rogue Javascript at my PC on at least 3 occassions, fortunately I have other defenses in place!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the UK, I don&#8217;t use gmail &amp; I block &#8220;all cookies &amp; scripting including Google&#8221;, except for a few Websites.</p>

<p>But being with BT on the Kingston RAS, I&#8217;ve not been able to do any personal/private surfing for nigh on TWO Years, without VPN.</p>

<p>I detected something wrong with BT in Summer 2006, but was not able to locate the problem properly until Phorm went Public.</p>

<p>So I know the difference between Phorm/Webwise &amp; Google &amp; it isn&#8217;t good!</p>

<p>To Cap what isn&#8217;t normally mentioned is that these DPI systems are capable of DIRECT DATA Injection into the WEB Browser or any Application which uses a Browser Agent String!</p>

<p>I Strongly suspect this company of injecting Rogue Javascript at my PC on at least 3 occassions, fortunately I have other defenses in place!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kevin Walsh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-892664</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Robb,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do understand the distinction. My point is simply that to the technology-challenged life forms occupying Capitol Hill the differences are not stark at all. Both observe behaviors and insert relevant ads. The fact that Google has skated clear of this imbroglio only proves that their well-oiled lobbying machine trumps those of the many other technology companies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Another interesting proof point: Commissioner Martin opened his statement on the recent Comcast slap down by comparing what Comcast did to the post office opening and reading your mail. I use Gmail and know that Google opens and reads every email I send and receive. I’m actually ok with that because I get something valuable in return: free email with gobs of storage. Nevertheless, I’d be willing to bet that Martin’s post office comparison had the mandarins at Google sweating.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robb,</p>

<p>I do understand the distinction. My point is simply that to the technology-challenged life forms occupying Capitol Hill the differences are not stark at all. Both observe behaviors and insert relevant ads. The fact that Google has skated clear of this imbroglio only proves that their well-oiled lobbying machine trumps those of the many other technology companies.</p>

<p>Another interesting proof point: Commissioner Martin opened his statement on the recent Comcast slap down by comparing what Comcast did to the post office opening and reading your mail. I use Gmail and know that Google opens and reads every email I send and receive. I’m actually ok with that because I get something valuable in return: free email with gobs of storage. Nevertheless, I’d be willing to bet that Martin’s post office comparison had the mandarins at Google sweating.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Robb Topolski</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-892653</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Topolski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Kevin,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Google is different in that they don&#039;t know anything about you than your computer or browser tells them specifically.  In other words, it&#039;s your own computer that sends information to Google&#039;s servers in Mountain View.  You can block this communication using various settings and software easily available.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;NebuAd, on the other hand, is installed inside your ISP and tells NebuAd everything you do on the Internet, regardless of your computer&#039;s settings or any blocking or security software you use to prevent it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Those stark differences aside, Google by its very size and popularity is becoming quickly capable of tracking users as they move about the net, even though it uses standard and accepted privacy practices.  This has some privacy people alarmed, but it still doesn&#039;t raise the specter of the &quot;wiretapping&quot;-like behavior that NebuAd does.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Robb Topolski&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin,</p>

<p>Google is different in that they don&#8217;t know anything about you than your computer or browser tells them specifically.  In other words, it&#8217;s your own computer that sends information to Google&#8217;s servers in Mountain View.  You can block this communication using various settings and software easily available.</p>

<p>NebuAd, on the other hand, is installed inside your ISP and tells NebuAd everything you do on the Internet, regardless of your computer&#8217;s settings or any blocking or security software you use to prevent it.</p>

<p>Those stark differences aside, Google by its very size and popularity is becoming quickly capable of tracking users as they move about the net, even though it uses standard and accepted privacy practices.  This has some privacy people alarmed, but it still doesn&#8217;t raise the specter of the &#8220;wiretapping&#8221;-like behavior that NebuAd does.</p>

<p>Robb Topolski</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kevin Walsh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-892580</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It amazes me that Google, a company built to observe consumer behavior and insert relevant ads, has avoided being dragged into this debate. Defenders of Google will no doubt claim that they’re doing something completely different but it’s only different at an implementation level. To consumers it still amounts to observing behavior and inserting ads.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I strongly suspect that Googlites, seeing this as a potential PR nightmare, dispatched a few PhDs to Capitol Hill to help politicians understand that Google is doing something completely different than those evil ISPs.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It amazes me that Google, a company built to observe consumer behavior and insert relevant ads, has avoided being dragged into this debate. Defenders of Google will no doubt claim that they’re doing something completely different but it’s only different at an implementation level. To consumers it still amounts to observing behavior and inserting ads.</p>

<p>I strongly suspect that Googlites, seeing this as a potential PR nightmare, dispatched a few PhDs to Capitol Hill to help politicians understand that Google is doing something completely different than those evil ISPs.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Stacey Higginbotham</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-892578</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacey Higginbotham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Herman, that looks closer to a recommendation service that&#039;s fairly common for mobile browsers or mobile personalized portal pages. There are some similarities between the tech, but I will say the mobile versions do help with usability and accessing content on the more difficult and slower mobile format. Customers also don&#039;t have to use those browsers or services if they don&#039;t want to, whereas opting out of the ISP-sponsored programs is more challenging.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herman, that looks closer to a recommendation service that&#8217;s fairly common for mobile browsers or mobile personalized portal pages. There are some similarities between the tech, but I will say the mobile versions do help with usability and accessing content on the more difficult and slower mobile format. Customers also don&#8217;t have to use those browsers or services if they don&#8217;t want to, whereas opting out of the ISP-sponsored programs is more challenging.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Herman Manfred</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-892553</link>
		<dc:creator>Herman Manfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sprint, too, has jumped into the &quot;track where you surf&quot; group:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://tinyurl.com/sprintweblink&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sprint, too, has jumped into the &#8220;track where you surf&#8221; group:</p>

<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/sprintweblink" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/sprintweblink</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Gus Swan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-892496</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus Swan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sounds very similar to the process Phorm are embarking on here. The UK government seems more relaxed about the legality, while the EU sounds more like congress. Whatever else, it&#039;s kryptonite to publishers, as it takes away one of the core selling points: premium audience. once a particular brand audience is tracked you can sell/reach them anywhere.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds very similar to the process Phorm are embarking on here. The UK government seems more relaxed about the legality, while the EU sounds more like congress. Whatever else, it&#8217;s kryptonite to publishers, as it takes away one of the core selling points: premium audience. once a particular brand audience is tracked you can sell/reach them anywhere.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Billy Shipp</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/08/06/congressional-scrutiny-hurting-nebuad/#comment-892474</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Shipp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think what might work is if NebuAd was able to subsidize part of a users internet access fees via their ISP in exchange for being able to target ads at users. Then there is value for the user, value for the ISP and value for NebuAd.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what might work is if NebuAd was able to subsidize part of a users internet access fees via their ISP in exchange for being able to target ads at users. Then there is value for the user, value for the ISP and value for NebuAd.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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