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		<title>By: GigaOM White Paper: The Facts &#38; Fiction of Bandwidth Caps - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-902598</link>
		<dc:creator>GigaOM White Paper: The Facts &#38; Fiction of Bandwidth Caps - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have been very vocal about the short-sightedness of this decision being made by Comcast (and some other carriers), and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Compton</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-895064</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Compton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief, what depressing comments these are. 

We truly have become a nation of corporate sheep. &quot;Business should be allowed to run business&quot;....The public interest be damned! Our society exists only to serve the needs of those in pursuit of profit!

As a society, we are in serious trouble.

Get a grip, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief, what depressing comments these are. </p>
<p>We truly have become a nation of corporate sheep. &#8220;Business should be allowed to run business&#8221;&#8230;.The public interest be damned! Our society exists only to serve the needs of those in pursuit of profit!</p>
<p>As a society, we are in serious trouble.</p>
<p>Get a grip, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Techory.com - Regular Ramblings About Technology &#187; The Internet Crisis?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-892723</link>
		<dc:creator>Techory.com - Regular Ramblings About Technology &#187; The Internet Crisis?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yo FCC! Are You Doing Anything About Metered Broadband? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: J.W.</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891983</link>
		<dc:creator>J.W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consumers have the last word by where they decide to spend their money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consumers have the last word by where they decide to spend their money.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891982</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metered broadband does not need to involve limits.

Cost of bandwidth is not directly proportional to amount used because of overheads etc. but if price is proportional to cost of bandwidth there&#039;s no problem. The user that uses ten times the bandwidth but costs the company twice as much should only pay twice is much.

Companies will never admit their costs because it allows customers to know when they&#039;re getting ripped off.

Where possible companies will instead apply the most baroque pricing system they can where this increases profits. For other examples see cell plans, gym memberships and medical insurance.

Existing price plans worked in favor of companies prior to P2P/video. Now they don&#039;t so they&#039;re changing.

Your article doesn&#039;t clarify the issue any. Next time try using less words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metered broadband does not need to involve limits.</p>
<p>Cost of bandwidth is not directly proportional to amount used because of overheads etc. but if price is proportional to cost of bandwidth there&#8217;s no problem. The user that uses ten times the bandwidth but costs the company twice as much should only pay twice is much.</p>
<p>Companies will never admit their costs because it allows customers to know when they&#8217;re getting ripped off.</p>
<p>Where possible companies will instead apply the most baroque pricing system they can where this increases profits. For other examples see cell plans, gym memberships and medical insurance.</p>
<p>Existing price plans worked in favor of companies prior to P2P/video. Now they don&#8217;t so they&#8217;re changing.</p>
<p>Your article doesn&#8217;t clarify the issue any. Next time try using less words.</p>
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		<title>By: In Case You Missed These - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891846</link>
		<dc:creator>In Case You Missed These - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yo FCC! Are you doing anything about metered broadband? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gregorylent</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891817</link>
		<dc:creator>gregorylent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, kimgjo, at one time dentists weren&#039;t an essential service either</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, kimgjo, at one time dentists weren&#8217;t an essential service either</p>
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		<title>By: Warning Sign: Metered Broadband Already a Hassle - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891802</link>
		<dc:creator>Warning Sign: Metered Broadband Already a Hassle - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] August 2, 2008 at 9:36 PM PT Comments (0)    We&#8217;ve talked before that metered access is a boneheaded idea that is bad for innovation, bad for Microsoft and Google, and ultimately bad for you. Until today, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] August 2, 2008 at 9:36 PM PT Comments (0)    We&#8217;ve talked before that metered access is a boneheaded idea that is bad for innovation, bad for Microsoft and Google, and ultimately bad for you. Until today, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hasselquist.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; FCC Says BitTorrent Throttling Illegal, EFF Releases Tool for You To Test Your ISP For It</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891778</link>
		<dc:creator>hasselquist.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; FCC Says BitTorrent Throttling Illegal, EFF Releases Tool for You To Test Your ISP For It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to know that the commitment is backed up by legal enforcement.&#8221; Martin, a Republican, is believed by some to be taking an out-of-charecter populist stance on the matter because he&#8217;s preparing to run [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to know that the commitment is backed up by legal enforcement.&#8221; Martin, a Republican, is believed by some to be taking an out-of-charecter populist stance on the matter because he&#8217;s preparing to run [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kimbjo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891740</link>
		<dc:creator>kimbjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish GigaOm would come off it&#039;s high horse.

Broadband is not an essential service. And who is GigaOM to decide what is a fair profit margin for ISP&#039;s to reap? If they set their margins too high, then competitors will invest to offer unlimited services.

Let hte market place work out hte innovations.

Broadband is not an essential service. And even if it was (like my water bill or my electricity bill), other essential services are billed in a metered fashion.

Get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish GigaOm would come off it&#8217;s high horse.</p>
<p>Broadband is not an essential service. And who is GigaOM to decide what is a fair profit margin for ISP&#8217;s to reap? If they set their margins too high, then competitors will invest to offer unlimited services.</p>
<p>Let hte market place work out hte innovations.</p>
<p>Broadband is not an essential service. And even if it was (like my water bill or my electricity bill), other essential services are billed in a metered fashion.</p>
<p>Get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop the Cap! &#183; FCC Commissioners &#8220;Discuss Frontier Usage Caps&#8221; At Hearing in Washington</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891657</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop the Cap! &#183; FCC Commissioners &#8220;Discuss Frontier Usage Caps&#8221; At Hearing in Washington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reports, &#8220;Frontier in 2007 had capital spending of $315,793 which seems like a lot until you note [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reports, &#8220;Frontier in 2007 had capital spending of $315,793 which seems like a lot until you note [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FCC Says BitTorrent Throttling Illegal, EFF Releases Tool for You To Test Your ISP For It</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891645</link>
		<dc:creator>FCC Says BitTorrent Throttling Illegal, EFF Releases Tool for You To Test Your ISP For It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to know that the commitment is backed up by legal enforcement.&#8221; Martin, a Republican, is believed by some to be taking an out-of-charecter populist stance on the matter because he&#8217;s preparing to run [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to know that the commitment is backed up by legal enforcement.&#8221; Martin, a Republican, is believed by some to be taking an out-of-charecter populist stance on the matter because he&#8217;s preparing to run [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891575</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should be &quot;their butts are also on the line.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should be &#8220;their butts are also on the line.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891573</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re ignoring the potential for antitrust lawsuits based on capping. As was intimated earlier, it&#039;s uncanny how many of the same organizations that are talking about caps, also provide other services such as some form of cable, dish, or other packaged entertainment. 

Are there really growth problems with all the ISPs? Or are the online video services such as Netflix, Unbox, iTunes, Hulu, Joost, et al perceivedto be threat to these capping organizations? If so, if all of the organizations collude to set capping limits, where none had previously existed, I don&#039;t think it takes a lawyer to see this issue ending up in the court systems. 

I don&#039;t know about other countries, but the US takes a dim view of anti-competitive business practices initiated by near-monopolistic business entities.

As for metering gas, water, and electricity, this is not the same thing, especially for DSL providers.

I don&#039;t think it would be unreasonable to talk about some caps, such as the one earlier that mentioned 900GB, or something to that effect. But these 5GB caps are nothing more than a lawsuit just waiting to happen.

What I want to know is: what are Apple, Amazon, Netflix, NBC, CBS, Joost, Microsoft, Google, Warner Brothers, Disney, et al going to do about the issue of broadband caps? After all, they&#039;re butts are also on the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re ignoring the potential for antitrust lawsuits based on capping. As was intimated earlier, it&#8217;s uncanny how many of the same organizations that are talking about caps, also provide other services such as some form of cable, dish, or other packaged entertainment. </p>
<p>Are there really growth problems with all the ISPs? Or are the online video services such as Netflix, Unbox, iTunes, Hulu, Joost, et al perceivedto be threat to these capping organizations? If so, if all of the organizations collude to set capping limits, where none had previously existed, I don&#8217;t think it takes a lawyer to see this issue ending up in the court systems. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about other countries, but the US takes a dim view of anti-competitive business practices initiated by near-monopolistic business entities.</p>
<p>As for metering gas, water, and electricity, this is not the same thing, especially for DSL providers.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it would be unreasonable to talk about some caps, such as the one earlier that mentioned 900GB, or something to that effect. But these 5GB caps are nothing more than a lawsuit just waiting to happen.</p>
<p>What I want to know is: what are Apple, Amazon, Netflix, NBC, CBS, Joost, Microsoft, Google, Warner Brothers, Disney, et al going to do about the issue of broadband caps? After all, they&#8217;re butts are also on the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891566</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the growth in demand for bandwidth exceeds the economical rate if increase in bandwidth supply, we have two choices:

A) Prioritize traffic; or
B) Meter usage

The Net Neutrality solution is to meter usage, but the better solution is to prioritize. Metering is a crude tool at best, because it relies on humans to moderate their usage. Human time scales - days, weeks, months - are out of scale to the time scale of network packet delivery and congestion, which are in nanoseconds, microseconds, and milliseconds. 

Metering is bad, prioritizing is good, and net neutrality is a distraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the growth in demand for bandwidth exceeds the economical rate if increase in bandwidth supply, we have two choices:</p>
<p>A) Prioritize traffic; or<br />
B) Meter usage</p>
<p>The Net Neutrality solution is to meter usage, but the better solution is to prioritize. Metering is a crude tool at best, because it relies on humans to moderate their usage. Human time scales &#8211; days, weeks, months &#8211; are out of scale to the time scale of network packet delivery and congestion, which are in nanoseconds, microseconds, and milliseconds. </p>
<p>Metering is bad, prioritizing is good, and net neutrality is a distraction.</p>
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		<title>By: James Sutherland</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/30/fcc-metered-broadban/#comment-891554</link>
		<dc:creator>James Sutherland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been opposed to telecomms metering (here in the UK) since before there was a single flat-rate voice plan available, let alone broadband, and watched (much of the time spent fighting both the incumbent telco and the regulator) as we slowly crept from metered dialup at outrageous prices (over 10c/min during the day!) through a series of compromise steps to the status quo: &#039;free&#039; calls (with a one hour time limit) being standard even from the incumbent, plenty of unmetered ADSL options...

However, I&#039;m just about to switch ISPs from an unmetered option to a metered one. It&#039;s not ideal, but the best quality ISPs seem forced to go down this route, with a decent level of usage included and extra traffic relatively cheap (well below $1/Gb). Provided the traffic charging is cheap enough, with a big initial allowance, I don&#039;t see it as a big problem - as long as it&#039;s low enough I don&#039;t find myself thinking about the cost of downloading something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been opposed to telecomms metering (here in the UK) since before there was a single flat-rate voice plan available, let alone broadband, and watched (much of the time spent fighting both the incumbent telco and the regulator) as we slowly crept from metered dialup at outrageous prices (over 10c/min during the day!) through a series of compromise steps to the status quo: &#8216;free&#8217; calls (with a one hour time limit) being standard even from the incumbent, plenty of unmetered ADSL options&#8230;</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m just about to switch ISPs from an unmetered option to a metered one. It&#8217;s not ideal, but the best quality ISPs seem forced to go down this route, with a decent level of usage included and extra traffic relatively cheap (well below $1/Gb). Provided the traffic charging is cheap enough, with a big initial allowance, I don&#8217;t see it as a big problem &#8211; as long as it&#8217;s low enough I don&#8217;t find myself thinking about the cost of downloading something.</p>
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