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		<title>By: David Mackey</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-889440</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seems like a great idea for the airlines to me. Anything that helps them make a buck so they don&#039;t charge us a buck.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like a great idea for the airlines to me. Anything that helps them make a buck so they don&#8217;t charge us a buck.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Your Brand Can Be Your Company&#8217;s Most Valuable Asset &#171; NetworkIP Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your Brand Can Be Your Company&#8217;s Most Valuable Asset &#171; NetworkIP Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] what we have learned &amp; what others are saying about brand building. Just yesterday we caught a post from Om Malik describing the frustration he has with advertising being every where. Om initially [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] what we have learned &amp; what others are saying about brand building. Just yesterday we caught a post from Om Malik describing the frustration he has with advertising being every where. Om initially [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dameon Welch-Abernathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dameon Welch-Abernathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In a world where everything&#039;s free, how else is anything but advertising going to pay the bills? Take a look at the movie Idiocracy for what a truly advertising-saturated world looks like.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t find the idea of ads on (or around) my boarding pass all that offensive, particularly if it&#039;s, say, a coupon for a place behind security or at my destination where I can save some money, or rather spend a little less.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No doubt, advertising is simply going to have to be smarter.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a world where everything&#8217;s free, how else is anything but advertising going to pay the bills? Take a look at the movie Idiocracy for what a truly advertising-saturated world looks like.</p>

<p>I don&#8217;t find the idea of ads on (or around) my boarding pass all that offensive, particularly if it&#8217;s, say, a coupon for a place behind security or at my destination where I can save some money, or rather spend a little less.</p>

<p>No doubt, advertising is simply going to have to be smarter.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: J. Scott Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-889035</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Scott Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi there,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Scott Hamilton here. Pres/CEO of VoodooVox.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The goal for all advertising is to be relevant and informative. Moreover, there must be some level of fair trade associated with it; ie, one gets a better or free product/service because of ad support.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the case of In-Call Media, which my company&#039;s area, we subsidize the operations of some telco apps and make others better. For example, in the case which Om references, letting a caller know an airline has introduced a new flight to their home country from their current city is information, not advertising. Similarly, when a person is on-hold listening to a looped message about the importance of their call to the entity ignoring them, giving the caller the option of hearing news headline, sports, or entertainment gossip, etc, improves the hold experience. In both cases I would argue the caller&#039;s experienced is improved through In-Call Media.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the case of voice apis, the question is really how one a) defines and api, and b) intends to monetize it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our approach, MyVox, simply gives developers the ability to capture voice input through the phone and mash it up however they see fit. It&#039;s a free service to developers, and in return we serve ads into the call stream.  We have hundreds of developers generating hundreds of call each daily. Still puny call volume, but the service has been deployed for fewer than 3 months and more developers come on line daily with their clever phone app, and soon someone will come up with something many folks won&#039;t be able to do without.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Telephony and advertising are both scale businesses. If one intends to make money being a telco, you better be selling 10s of millions of minutes daily. Similar volume is needed in advertising. We&#039;re simply combining the two sectors, having deplyed an audio ad serving platform in to hundreds of telco &quot;publishers&quot; generating hundreds of millions of calls on a monthly basis.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As the marginal cost of providing telephony continues to approach zero, new revenue models are becoming available to an industry that has really only had a metered usage model. Ad support is viable option for many telco services today, and I believe ultimately most of the telco prods/svcs we&#039;re currently paying for can be covered by an opt-in advertising experience.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@whartonfamily: thanks very much for the heads up on the Saudi&#039;s view toward advertising. We&#039;ll calibrate our international expansion plans accordingly.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>

<p>Scott Hamilton here. Pres/CEO of VoodooVox.</p>

<p>The goal for all advertising is to be relevant and informative. Moreover, there must be some level of fair trade associated with it; ie, one gets a better or free product/service because of ad support.</p>

<p>In the case of In-Call Media, which my company&#8217;s area, we subsidize the operations of some telco apps and make others better. For example, in the case which Om references, letting a caller know an airline has introduced a new flight to their home country from their current city is information, not advertising. Similarly, when a person is on-hold listening to a looped message about the importance of their call to the entity ignoring them, giving the caller the option of hearing news headline, sports, or entertainment gossip, etc, improves the hold experience. In both cases I would argue the caller&#8217;s experienced is improved through In-Call Media.</p>

<p>In the case of voice apis, the question is really how one a) defines and api, and b) intends to monetize it.</p>

<p>Our approach, MyVox, simply gives developers the ability to capture voice input through the phone and mash it up however they see fit. It&#8217;s a free service to developers, and in return we serve ads into the call stream.  We have hundreds of developers generating hundreds of call each daily. Still puny call volume, but the service has been deployed for fewer than 3 months and more developers come on line daily with their clever phone app, and soon someone will come up with something many folks won&#8217;t be able to do without.</p>

<p>Telephony and advertising are both scale businesses. If one intends to make money being a telco, you better be selling 10s of millions of minutes daily. Similar volume is needed in advertising. We&#8217;re simply combining the two sectors, having deplyed an audio ad serving platform in to hundreds of telco &#8220;publishers&#8221; generating hundreds of millions of calls on a monthly basis.</p>

<p>As the marginal cost of providing telephony continues to approach zero, new revenue models are becoming available to an industry that has really only had a metered usage model. Ad support is viable option for many telco services today, and I believe ultimately most of the telco prods/svcs we&#8217;re currently paying for can be covered by an opt-in advertising experience.</p>

<p>@whartonfamily: thanks very much for the heads up on the Saudi&#8217;s view toward advertising. We&#8217;ll calibrate our international expansion plans accordingly.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-889015</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ Doug&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are you serious? Wow.... that is an eye opener&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Doug</p>

<p>Are you serious? Wow&#8230;. that is an eye opener</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Doug Mohney</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-888990</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Mohney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;...the razor-thin margins in the long-distance business...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do you realize what the unused rate of minutes (and therefore $$$) is on pre-paid cards? I&#039;m thinking some wild number between 7 and 12.5 percent. It&#039;s some serious coin ....&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the razor-thin margins in the long-distance business&#8230;&#8221;</p>

<p>Do you realize what the unused rate of minutes (and therefore $$$) is on pre-paid cards? I&#8217;m thinking some wild number between 7 and 12.5 percent. It&#8217;s some serious coin &#8230;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: whartonfamily</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-888981</link>
		<dc:creator>whartonfamily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Isn&#039;t just about every company in the Valley touting their &quot;free&quot; product as supported by ads?  Consumers are increasingly tuning out advertising (TiVO anyone?).  I personally can&#039;t remember the last time I really looked at an online ad.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There was also an article in the NY Times recently on how international audiences don&#039;t recieve any ads as they are irrelevant (want to buy a mortgage in Saudi Arabia?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How about some real companies with a real business model based on adding value vs. annoying the general public.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Scott&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t just about every company in the Valley touting their &#8220;free&#8221; product as supported by ads?  Consumers are increasingly tuning out advertising (TiVO anyone?).  I personally can&#8217;t remember the last time I really looked at an online ad.</p>

<p>There was also an article in the NY Times recently on how international audiences don&#8217;t recieve any ads as they are irrelevant (want to buy a mortgage in Saudi Arabia?</p>

<p>How about some real companies with a real business model based on adding value vs. annoying the general public.</p>

<p>Scott</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jahangir Raina</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-888973</link>
		<dc:creator>Jahangir Raina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Voodoovox paid IDT $2 million last year for these ads. Go to question &#039;Can you point at a couple of successful case studies where you have been involved?&#039; on this link&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.ilocus.com/2007/12/interview_with_j_scott_hamilto.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;there are certain instances in a phone call where an ad can be gracefully accommodated. eg. insert the audio ad instead of the ringing sound.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voodoovox paid IDT $2 million last year for these ads. Go to question &#8216;Can you point at a couple of successful case studies where you have been involved?&#8217; on this link</p>

<p><a href="http://www.ilocus.com/2007/12/interview_with_j_scott_hamilto.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ilocus.com/2007/12/interview_with_j_scott_hamilto.html</a></p>

<p>there are certain instances in a phone call where an ad can be gracefully accommodated. eg. insert the audio ad instead of the ringing sound.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-888965</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with you PXLated. I wonder what we should do - maybe sponsored posts ala TechMeme? any thoughts on this guys?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you PXLated. I wonder what we should do &#8211; maybe sponsored posts ala TechMeme? any thoughts on this guys?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: PXLated</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-888961</link>
		<dc:creator>PXLated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to agree with the others, we&#039;re already there. About the only ads that has caught my eye (in any medium) have been the dual position ads Apple ran and I probably noticed them only after they got some PR.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with the others, we&#8217;re already there. About the only ads that has caught my eye (in any medium) have been the dual position ads Apple ran and I probably noticed them only after they got some PR.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-888950</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@All sorry for screwing up the headline. I thought I wrote - These Ads Are Just About Everywhere. And then fell asleep - sorry about that. What an idiot i turned out to be - I should have read that. Bah! Sorry guys and thanks for pointing out the error.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@All sorry for screwing up the headline. I thought I wrote &#8211; These Ads Are Just About Everywhere. And then fell asleep &#8211; sorry about that. What an idiot i turned out to be &#8211; I should have read that. Bah! Sorry guys and thanks for pointing out the error.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Pritchard</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-888949</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Pritchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John S, spellchecker and DEC:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s been fixed; apologies for the confusion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;best, Carolyn&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John S, spellchecker and DEC:</p>

<p>That&#8217;s been fixed; apologies for the confusion.</p>

<p>best, Carolyn</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Aaron deMello</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-888938</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron deMello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Om - this has already happened. Its not a dirty secret in the ad business that its getting increasingly difficult to reach people due to the noise. As someone who lives his entire life on the Internet, I can tell you quite honestly that I click on an ad banner maybe once every 2 months or so. And that&#039;s usually because its an eye-catching design and I&#039;m hoping to see some fancy Flash work on the post-click splash page.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Far more effective is solid use of direct marketing and PR, and in a certain sense - sponsorships. Like what BMW is doing with TedTalks on the Miro player. There are no other ads except for a BMW brand ad on the tail of the videos.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;CDW did something, albeit extremely annoyingly, with some recent tech infrastructure videos of conference presentations I was looking at. It was the same ad, over and over again, forced to watch before each video. And there were over 30 videos.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, the answer is less ads, more targeting, and smarter integration. Its more of a content issue than a technology issue. Back in the 1990s when I owned an interactive agency, this was exactly the kind of stuff I most enjoyed working on - translating the needs of a brand to their target audience and marrying it with existing content in a non-intrusive but value-add manner. Its a challenge, but if you pull it off well, the rewards are big both to consumers and marketers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om &#8211; this has already happened. Its not a dirty secret in the ad business that its getting increasingly difficult to reach people due to the noise. As someone who lives his entire life on the Internet, I can tell you quite honestly that I click on an ad banner maybe once every 2 months or so. And that&#8217;s usually because its an eye-catching design and I&#8217;m hoping to see some fancy Flash work on the post-click splash page.</p>

<p>Far more effective is solid use of direct marketing and PR, and in a certain sense &#8211; sponsorships. Like what BMW is doing with TedTalks on the Miro player. There are no other ads except for a BMW brand ad on the tail of the videos.</p>

<p>CDW did something, albeit extremely annoyingly, with some recent tech infrastructure videos of conference presentations I was looking at. It was the same ad, over and over again, forced to watch before each video. And there were over 30 videos.</p>

<p>Anyway, the answer is less ads, more targeting, and smarter integration. Its more of a content issue than a technology issue. Back in the 1990s when I owned an interactive agency, this was exactly the kind of stuff I most enjoyed working on &#8211; translating the needs of a brand to their target audience and marrying it with existing content in a non-intrusive but value-add manner. Its a challenge, but if you pull it off well, the rewards are big both to consumers and marketers.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: DEC</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-888933</link>
		<dc:creator>DEC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Their Ads Are Just About Everywhere&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;or&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;There Are Ads Just About Everywhere&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;??&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Their Ads Are Just About Everywhere&#8221;</p>

<p>or</p>

<p>&#8220;There Are Ads Just About Everywhere&#8221;</p>

<p>??</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: spellchecker</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-888932</link>
		<dc:creator>spellchecker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The title makes no sense: &quot;There Ads Are Just About Everywhere&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do you mean Their Ads... or The Ads... or There Are Ads.... ?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title makes no sense: &#8220;There Ads Are Just About Everywhere&#8221;.</p>

<p>Do you mean Their Ads&#8230; or The Ads&#8230; or There Are Ads&#8230;. ?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John S</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/17/there-ads-are-just-about-everywhere/#comment-888925</link>
		<dc:creator>John S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heads up -- The &#039;There&#039; in your title should be &#039;Their&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heads up &#8212; The &#8216;There&#8217; in your title should be &#8216;Their&#8217;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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