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		<title>By: Looking For More Money &#8211; San Ramon looking for more economic stimulus money &#8211; ContraCostaTimes &#171; Looking For More Money</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/03/bandwidth-barons-want-more-money-for-fewer-bytes/#comment-955434</link>
		<dc:creator>Looking For More Money &#8211; San Ramon looking for more economic stimulus money &#8211; ContraCostaTimes &#171; Looking For More Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Bandwidth Barons Want More Money for Fewer BytesYou only have to look at carriers in the mobile market who aggressively moved their What we might be limited by in downloads per month Bandwidth Barons Want More Money for Fewer [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bandwidth Barons Want More Money for Fewer BytesYou only have to look at carriers in the mobile market who aggressively moved their What we might be limited by in downloads per month Bandwidth Barons Want More Money for Fewer [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Free Press Asks Congress for Metered Broadband Inquiry</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/03/bandwidth-barons-want-more-money-for-fewer-bytes/#comment-939479</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Press Asks Congress for Metered Broadband Inquiry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] have been tight-lipped about their bandwidth bills, and that most investigations reveal that the costs of providing service are trending down, the Free Press is also calling on Congress to ask ISPs how much bandwidth really [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have been tight-lipped about their bandwidth bills, and that most investigations reveal that the costs of providing service are trending down, the Free Press is also calling on Congress to ask ISPs how much bandwidth really [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Frontier Delays Tiered Broadband to Catch TWC&#8217;s Customers</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/03/bandwidth-barons-want-more-money-for-fewer-bytes/#comment-936389</link>
		<dc:creator>Frontier Delays Tiered Broadband to Catch TWC&#8217;s Customers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] downloads 1.5 GB per month, my guess is the network won&#8217;t be overrun anytime soon, but the lure of additional revenue from tiered pricing plans may return as soon as 2010.    [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] downloads 1.5 GB per month, my guess is the network won&#8217;t be overrun anytime soon, but the lure of additional revenue from tiered pricing plans may return as soon as 2010.    [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Yo FCC. You Doing Anything About Metered Broadband? - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/03/bandwidth-barons-want-more-money-for-fewer-bytes/#comment-891398</link>
		<dc:creator>Yo FCC. You Doing Anything About Metered Broadband? - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] if consumers continue to use the network constantly, then they will have to pay more and more cash. In an earlier post, we did the math on how carriers are going to gouge consumers and pointed out what you can do with [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] if consumers continue to use the network constantly, then they will have to pay more and more cash. In an earlier post, we did the math on how carriers are going to gouge consumers and pointed out what you can do with [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Scrabulous spells Friday links &#8250; Nick Gehring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scrabulous spells Friday links &#8250; Nick Gehring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Capped Internet access a threat to your online video efforts? - Do you know how much bandwidth you use in an average month? I sure don&#8217;t. But for us newspaper/tv/online people, capped bandwidth could mean a dint in our online growth, particularly in video. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Capped Internet access a threat to your online video efforts? &#8211; Do you know how much bandwidth you use in an average month? I sure don&#8217;t. But for us newspaper/tv/online people, capped bandwidth could mean a dint in our online growth, particularly in video. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ISPs Have Great Idea for Broadband Rules - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/03/bandwidth-barons-want-more-money-for-fewer-bytes/#comment-889187</link>
		<dc:creator>ISPs Have Great Idea for Broadband Rules - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] today. These are the same ISPs currently trying out some very unfriendly consumer tactics, such as tiered broadband and traffic blocking, which makes Connected Nation look like the fox guarding the hen [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] today. These are the same ISPs currently trying out some very unfriendly consumer tactics, such as tiered broadband and traffic blocking, which makes Connected Nation look like the fox guarding the hen [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Why Metered Broadband Is Bad for Microsoft, Google &#38; Us - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/03/bandwidth-barons-want-more-money-for-fewer-bytes/#comment-888998</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Metered Broadband Is Bad for Microsoft, Google &#38; Us - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Competition and an aggressive last-mile build have resulted in reasonable usage-based pricing models in Japan. OCN, the carrier operated by NTT Communications, is planning for unlimited download bandwidth usage and a 30-gigabyte limit on daily upload usage capacity. By my estimates, that will be more than adequate for all but the largest consumers of Internet bandwidth and does not invoke any horror scenarios for the large content owners. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Competition and an aggressive last-mile build have resulted in reasonable usage-based pricing models in Japan. OCN, the carrier operated by NTT Communications, is planning for unlimited download bandwidth usage and a 30-gigabyte limit on daily upload usage capacity. By my estimates, that will be more than adequate for all but the largest consumers of Internet bandwidth and does not invoke any horror scenarios for the large content owners. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: teh TODDtastic webLog-a-majig &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Who do ISPs think they are?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/03/bandwidth-barons-want-more-money-for-fewer-bytes/#comment-888357</link>
		<dc:creator>teh TODDtastic webLog-a-majig &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Who do ISPs think they are?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] just read an article stating that major ISPs are planning to roll out the &#8220;charge-per-gigabyte&#8221; billing [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Bandwidth Barons Want More Money for Fewer Bytes &#124; The Hollow Men - The Politics of Deception</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/03/bandwidth-barons-want-more-money-for-fewer-bytes/#comment-887729</link>
		<dc:creator>Bandwidth Barons Want More Money for Fewer Bytes &#124; The Hollow Men - The Politics of Deception</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] videos or a new security patch, blame your service provider for not evolving with the Internet.read more &#124; digg [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: duncan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/03/bandwidth-barons-want-more-money-for-fewer-bytes/#comment-887606</link>
		<dc:creator>duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Alan... I have to agree with John... you are really out to lunch and your perspective would be MUCH different if your livelihood relied on your ability to provide unlimited consumption at a small flat rate to any and all comers. That isn&#039;t a a business model that works for ANYTHING. Easy for you to throw rocks when you are on the outside looking in.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If service providers made any major mistake in this regard (which I think they have...), it is that they made naive folks like yourself feel you are entitled to something you aren&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You spin this issue as well as a Catholic and Southern Baptist arguing over scripture. No, seriously.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s hard to value one&#039;s opinion when it is so blatantly biased with socialistic themes and doesn&#039;t even for a minute try to view the issue fairly from the other side of the fence.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan&#8230; I have to agree with John&#8230; you are really out to lunch and your perspective would be MUCH different if your livelihood relied on your ability to provide unlimited consumption at a small flat rate to any and all comers. That isn&#8217;t a a business model that works for ANYTHING. Easy for you to throw rocks when you are on the outside looking in.</p>

<p>If service providers made any major mistake in this regard (which I think they have&#8230;), it is that they made naive folks like yourself feel you are entitled to something you aren&#8217;t.</p>

<p>You spin this issue as well as a Catholic and Southern Baptist arguing over scripture. No, seriously.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s hard to value one&#8217;s opinion when it is so blatantly biased with socialistic themes and doesn&#8217;t even for a minute try to view the issue fairly from the other side of the fence.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: How much for fiber optic line into each US home? - SatelliteGuys.US</title>
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		<dc:creator>How much for fiber optic line into each US home? - SatelliteGuys.US</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Thats upload; 30GB of it per day is just fine. What we might be limited by in downloads per month Bandwidth Barons Want More Money for Fewer Bytes - GigaOM Download limits? Don&#039;t be stupid...  Anybody wanna guess how long until English language websites [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thats upload; 30GB of it per day is just fine. What we might be limited by in downloads per month Bandwidth Barons Want More Money for Fewer Bytes &#8211; GigaOM Download limits? Don&#8217;t be stupid&#8230;  Anybody wanna guess how long until English language websites [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anyone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anyone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The problem is not usage-based pricing so much as the too-low usage thresholds and the rates for incremental usage.  Most people won&#039;t notice a threshold 50GB/5GB (down/up) and the people who need/want to use more can deal with $0.20/GB.  This is as opposed to the typical carrier threshold or 20GB with $1.50/GB or higher (which makes downloading a movie via Netflix or iTunes between 50% and 100% more expensive).  When Japanese ISPs can manage to have caps of 300GB/30GB on a 100Mb/100Mb connection for around the same we pay ($50-60), you know something is wrong with our pricing.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not usage-based pricing so much as the too-low usage thresholds and the rates for incremental usage.  Most people won&#8217;t notice a threshold 50GB/5GB (down/up) and the people who need/want to use more can deal with $0.20/GB.  This is as opposed to the typical carrier threshold or 20GB with $1.50/GB or higher (which makes downloading a movie via Netflix or iTunes between 50% and 100% more expensive).  When Japanese ISPs can manage to have caps of 300GB/30GB on a 100Mb/100Mb connection for around the same we pay ($50-60), you know something is wrong with our pricing.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/07/03/bandwidth-barons-want-more-money-for-fewer-bytes/#comment-887244</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let us face reality. At some point, all internet pricing will be usage based in some way. Not only is this a business reality, but it is the most equitable way to manage any resource.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When we started Msen.com in 1991, we paid $10,000 PER MONTH for a 56KB dedicated line. Think about that. Since then, I can go almost anywhere and get broadband (1MB/384k) for $40/mo or less. Inevitably, the game will move toward efficient markets.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, in the end, the network must be paid for, just like highways, government buildings, and airports.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Several years ago, where I live, every single day at 4pm the network would &quot;got to pot&quot; and I was absolutely unable to work. Kids came home from school and hit that net with IM, porn downloads, and MP3 ripping, saturating the common bandwidth on the cable network. I planned my workday around this, and it was a major problem for me. Then, the cable provider changed their pricing, and started charging a premium price for higher bandwidth. PROBLEM SOLVED. The kiddies (college kids mostly, and many lower-middle-class families), stuck with the cheap plans, which inherently capped their activities via their bandwidth cap. Since that time, I have seen my network saturated only on rare occasions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Price is necessary to eliminate &quot;marginal usage&quot;, which must be done with any resource that is finite, or has costs associated with its production. Given unlimited bandwidth at zero cost, and a college kid will spend all day and night downloading music. Tell them it costs a penny per song for delivery, and they will immediately limit downloads according to their budget. Meanwhile, my business can easily justify every byte it uses, and can pay more for the privilege of using those finite bits at key times (business hours). Starting to sound frighteningly like a cell-phone plan isn&#039;t it?!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The most important issue is competition, as others have pointed out. It is my hope that technologies such as WiMax will compete with cable and DSL and keep them all reasonably honest. Without proper competition, we will be in trouble.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us face reality. At some point, all internet pricing will be usage based in some way. Not only is this a business reality, but it is the most equitable way to manage any resource.</p>

<p>When we started Msen.com in 1991, we paid $10,000 PER MONTH for a 56KB dedicated line. Think about that. Since then, I can go almost anywhere and get broadband (1MB/384k) for $40/mo or less. Inevitably, the game will move toward efficient markets.</p>

<p>However, in the end, the network must be paid for, just like highways, government buildings, and airports.</p>

<p>Several years ago, where I live, every single day at 4pm the network would &#8220;got to pot&#8221; and I was absolutely unable to work. Kids came home from school and hit that net with IM, porn downloads, and MP3 ripping, saturating the common bandwidth on the cable network. I planned my workday around this, and it was a major problem for me. Then, the cable provider changed their pricing, and started charging a premium price for higher bandwidth. PROBLEM SOLVED. The kiddies (college kids mostly, and many lower-middle-class families), stuck with the cheap plans, which inherently capped their activities via their bandwidth cap. Since that time, I have seen my network saturated only on rare occasions.</p>

<p>Price is necessary to eliminate &#8220;marginal usage&#8221;, which must be done with any resource that is finite, or has costs associated with its production. Given unlimited bandwidth at zero cost, and a college kid will spend all day and night downloading music. Tell them it costs a penny per song for delivery, and they will immediately limit downloads according to their budget. Meanwhile, my business can easily justify every byte it uses, and can pay more for the privilege of using those finite bits at key times (business hours). Starting to sound frighteningly like a cell-phone plan isn&#8217;t it?!</p>

<p>The most important issue is competition, as others have pointed out. It is my hope that technologies such as WiMax will compete with cable and DSL and keep them all reasonably honest. Without proper competition, we will be in trouble.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 08:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is the logic then to download the entire internet now and then hibernate until the ISP wars end?  Or until Google moves into the ISP business at least :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Honestly though..this would really affect me if it was established now.  I do a lot of computations and rendering with vpn and ssh stuff as well as the videos I work on.  My usage is probably pretty high.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think a meter would be a must for any ISP that goes this route.  Meters exist for water and other things so they should be mandatory for this too.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Honestly, if P2P all stopped for a day would the internet really get that much faster?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the logic then to download the entire internet now and then hibernate until the ISP wars end?  Or until Google moves into the ISP business at least :-)</p>

<p>Honestly though..this would really affect me if it was established now.  I do a lot of computations and rendering with vpn and ssh stuff as well as the videos I work on.  My usage is probably pretty high.</p>

<p>I think a meter would be a must for any ISP that goes this route.  Meters exist for water and other things so they should be mandatory for this too.</p>

<p>Honestly, if P2P all stopped for a day would the internet really get that much faster?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@John, thanks for letting us know that this is a fair topic to discuss.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree that your analysis is lame.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John, thanks for letting us know that this is a fair topic to discuss.</p>

<p>I agree that your analysis is lame.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmm... lets think about this:&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&#039;ll cost me MORE to work from home remotely (no more working from home unless employer will cover extra bandwidth costs)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;My AppleTV where I download Youtube, Podcasts (even some with commercials) and iTunes movies/shows. I guess I will stop doing this as well. Paying per bandwidth becomes expensive when I have to pay per byte for transit plus the content (iTunes business model will fall apart)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;VOIP hmm... whats the benefit now?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Bottom line - I pay a lot right now for my tv, viewing movies, tvshows, internet and the ability to work remotely as needed. If this comes into play I will likely stop using television a lot and will limit my downloading to things I know I will like. This will kill consumerism and the business model most of the internet is based upon. Additionally, the companies that benefit from having employees that will work to fix something in the middle of the night or work from home if they are sick, or need to watch the kids or whatever will lose either productivity or income as they would need to cover the bandwidth fees of remote employees.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is a bad idea for the entire economy and the companies that look to push this out as well, however if they do this - we should probably hold them to a higher bandwidth requirement no 1.5mbps - how about 10 - 20mbps or more?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; lets think about this:</p>

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<li><p>It&#8217;ll cost me MORE to work from home remotely (no more working from home unless employer will cover extra bandwidth costs)</p></li>
<li><p>My AppleTV where I download Youtube, Podcasts (even some with commercials) and iTunes movies/shows. I guess I will stop doing this as well. Paying per bandwidth becomes expensive when I have to pay per byte for transit plus the content (iTunes business model will fall apart)</p></li>
<li><p>VOIP hmm&#8230; whats the benefit now?</p></li>
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<p>Bottom line &#8211; I pay a lot right now for my tv, viewing movies, tvshows, internet and the ability to work remotely as needed. If this comes into play I will likely stop using television a lot and will limit my downloading to things I know I will like. This will kill consumerism and the business model most of the internet is based upon. Additionally, the companies that benefit from having employees that will work to fix something in the middle of the night or work from home if they are sick, or need to watch the kids or whatever will lose either productivity or income as they would need to cover the bandwidth fees of remote employees.</p>

<p>This is a bad idea for the entire economy and the companies that look to push this out as well, however if they do this &#8211; we should probably hold them to a higher bandwidth requirement no 1.5mbps &#8211; how about 10 &#8211; 20mbps or more?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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