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		<title>By: eas</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/30/hey-hey-platform-a-how-much-money-did-you-lose-today/#comment-892145</link>
		<dc:creator>eas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 05:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It was recently revealed that &quot;Bumper sticker,&quot; a Facebook app that LinkedIn&#039;s engineering team did as an exercise, is seeing 1B canvas page views (as opposed to profile page views) per month on Facebook.  That&#039;s starting to sound like real money.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was recently revealed that &#8220;Bumper sticker,&#8221; a Facebook app that LinkedIn&#8217;s engineering team did as an exercise, is seeing 1B canvas page views (as opposed to profile page views) per month on Facebook.  That&#8217;s starting to sound like real money.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MEDIANAMA &#124; AOL To Bring Advertising.com To India</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/30/hey-hey-platform-a-how-much-money-did-you-lose-today/#comment-887669</link>
		<dc:creator>MEDIANAMA &#124; AOL To Bring Advertising.com To India</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Mullings</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Mullings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stacey, I understand what you consider real money - but entrepreneurs with no venture funding or angel investors - all 99% of them - would consider a couple thousand dollars per month real money imho.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also think it would be $400 per 1 million impressions, not visitors. Then we have to take into consideration any frequency capping (per visitor, per day and so forth). With the large number of impressions per visitor on social networking sites, I can see how it can add up to lots of money for a developer but not enough for venture backed companies - just like you said.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I already questioned VC-backed widget makers and this ridiculous web 2.0 hype behind them but I always felt they just wanted to be acquired by someone like Google who would then use AdSense to monetize them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Google AdSense for widgets must be around the corner.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacey, I understand what you consider real money &#8211; but entrepreneurs with no venture funding or angel investors &#8211; all 99% of them &#8211; would consider a couple thousand dollars per month real money imho.</p>

<p>I also think it would be $400 per 1 million impressions, not visitors. Then we have to take into consideration any frequency capping (per visitor, per day and so forth). With the large number of impressions per visitor on social networking sites, I can see how it can add up to lots of money for a developer but not enough for venture backed companies &#8211; just like you said.</p>

<p>I already questioned VC-backed widget makers and this ridiculous web 2.0 hype behind them but I always felt they just wanted to be acquired by someone like Google who would then use AdSense to monetize them.</p>

<p>Google AdSense for widgets must be around the corner.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Stacey Higginbotham</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/30/hey-hey-platform-a-how-much-money-did-you-lose-today/#comment-886516</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacey Higginbotham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;By real money, I&#039;m talking about venture-level returns. As for gravy train,    it applies to those who will get a 40 cent CPM rather than 10 cents.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By real money, I&#8217;m talking about venture-level returns. As for gravy train,    it applies to those who will get a 40 cent CPM rather than 10 cents.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Scott Rafer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Rafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;These comments are all beside the point. With the US-only limitation and the three impression per user frequency cap, it works out to a $0.10 or less CPM guarantee anyway.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://blog.lookery.com/2008/06/30/imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery-the-bebo-ad-guarantee/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These comments are all beside the point. With the US-only limitation and the three impression per user frequency cap, it works out to a $0.10 or less CPM guarantee anyway.</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.lookery.com/2008/06/30/imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery-the-bebo-ad-guarantee/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.lookery.com/2008/06/30/imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery-the-bebo-ad-guarantee/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/30/hey-hey-platform-a-how-much-money-did-you-lose-today/#comment-886438</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re not necessarily right.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m speaking about Social Networks in general - and there are many out there, especially small, bootstrapped ones. I run a social network that if generated 40 cents CPM would have made me a huge salary (it was a one-man-shop).
You make millions of page views pretty easily with a social network, and it&#039;s enough if you&#039;re bootstrapped.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem: It&#039;s difficult to get advertisement on a site, especially if it&#039;s small. If Platform A gave me the 40 cents CPM in Europe, I would have taken it.
The other problem: Paying 40 cents CPM or more can make sense, but not without perfect optimization. So it makes little sense to offer that third-parties that can integrate the ads themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not necessarily right.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m speaking about Social Networks in general &#8211; and there are many out there, especially small, bootstrapped ones. I run a social network that if generated 40 cents CPM would have made me a huge salary (it was a one-man-shop).
You make millions of page views pretty easily with a social network, and it&#8217;s enough if you&#8217;re bootstrapped.</p>

<p>The problem: It&#8217;s difficult to get advertisement on a site, especially if it&#8217;s small. If Platform A gave me the 40 cents CPM in Europe, I would have taken it.
The other problem: Paying 40 cents CPM or more can make sense, but not without perfect optimization. So it makes little sense to offer that third-parties that can integrate the ads themselves.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The article seems to contradict itself...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It says...&quot;made me wonder how in the heck anyone could make real money off such a low CPM&quot;, yet it then says &quot;...for those riding the Platform A gravy train.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So which way is it - no real money or a gravy train?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article seems to contradict itself&#8230;</p>

<p>It says&#8230;&#8221;made me wonder how in the heck anyone could make real money off such a low CPM&#8221;, yet it then says &#8220;&#8230;for those riding the Platform A gravy train.&#8221;</p>

<p>So which way is it &#8211; no real money or a gravy train?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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