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		<title>By: Nokia: Fully Commited To Symbian</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-966400</link>
		<dc:creator>Nokia: Fully Commited To Symbian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that Nokia had bought $410 million on Symbian before open sourcing it, I couldn&#8217;t buy into the story. Additionally a similar non-sensical [...]</description>
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		<title>By: murraybiscuit</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-964034</link>
		<dc:creator>murraybiscuit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and comments. My thoughts about the state of the market and where it&#039;s going:

1. Operating system manufacturers will soon be market leaders. Google, Microsoft and Apple are all rolling out from desktop to mobile. They have saas applications which will tie the two platforms together. Being a device manufacturer means very little any more, as mobile hardware becomes a commodity and cheap fake hardware becomes a threat in the mass market. Desktop OS vendors have extensive developer communities and an existing user base to leverage. They also have no interest in furthering or supporting other mobile platforms, which is why they developed their own.

2. Apple is able to compete in a certain segment because they have limited hardware platform which they control. This means that they will never be mass-market, but this has never been their strategy. They make eye candy for the top end of the market, using top end hardware for users that can afford it. They don&#039;t do mass market, they don&#039;t to low-cost, they don&#039;t to third world. So they can be a lot more focused on their development and integration between their hardware products. I&#039;d like to see them enter the mass market and see how vocal they remain...

3. Google isn&#039;t tied to hardware and has the greatest saas offering. They just got google voice booted off the iphone because they got there first and Apple can&#039;t compete right now. Their browser runs cross platform and most of their software runs off that. They are device and OS independent, although they are now starting to roll out an OS as well.

4. Microsoft, unlike apple does cater to mass market. They are hardware independent and have the largest developer base. They have some issues with legacy support because they were the first entrants into the desktop market. They have made good steps into the convergence world where most others haven&#039;t: X-box, media center, desktop OS, windows live and windows mobile. Windows live will no doubt be supported on their mobile phones soon, if not already. Their biggest threat is probably from google from an saas and search point of view, as corporates start seeing that you don&#039;t need to have bloated expensive software and hardware to run a business (google is already selling gmail services to corporates as a domain independent solution)

5. Traditional handset manufacturers need to do something fast. They are having their hardware cloned and need to get on the online services bandwagon which OS-based platforms are offering. They also need to get onto the desktop as platforms start to converge. Nokia and Samsung are starting to develop their services - not sure about the rest of them. Everybody has email integration, so I can&#039;t see RIM blowing that trumpet for too much longer... Sony has an amazing gaming and home media platform which functions mostly in isolation. Nokia may buy out Palm to keep their footprint in the US but I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s going to help much long term. 

In my mind, Nokia will either need to start providing an OS or work more closely with an OS which doesn&#039;t have a mobile solution.  They have bought QT, which has strong relations with KDE and have started the foray into the Linux platform on their mobile devices. They have also signed a deal with Intel which will mean greater co-operation on the Maemo and Moblin platforms between the two.:
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/06/new-intelnokia-partnership-a-huge-win-for-mobile-linux.ars
Getting into the netbook market may just be a smart move to try and leapfrog the rest of the competition. I can&#039;t see Symbian being part of this future unfortunately. But they will need to support legacy devices and will most likely take a few years to roll out linux across their range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and comments. My thoughts about the state of the market and where it&#8217;s going:</p>
<p>1. Operating system manufacturers will soon be market leaders. Google, Microsoft and Apple are all rolling out from desktop to mobile. They have saas applications which will tie the two platforms together. Being a device manufacturer means very little any more, as mobile hardware becomes a commodity and cheap fake hardware becomes a threat in the mass market. Desktop OS vendors have extensive developer communities and an existing user base to leverage. They also have no interest in furthering or supporting other mobile platforms, which is why they developed their own.</p>
<p>2. Apple is able to compete in a certain segment because they have limited hardware platform which they control. This means that they will never be mass-market, but this has never been their strategy. They make eye candy for the top end of the market, using top end hardware for users that can afford it. They don&#8217;t do mass market, they don&#8217;t to low-cost, they don&#8217;t to third world. So they can be a lot more focused on their development and integration between their hardware products. I&#8217;d like to see them enter the mass market and see how vocal they remain&#8230;</p>
<p>3. Google isn&#8217;t tied to hardware and has the greatest saas offering. They just got google voice booted off the iphone because they got there first and Apple can&#8217;t compete right now. Their browser runs cross platform and most of their software runs off that. They are device and OS independent, although they are now starting to roll out an OS as well.</p>
<p>4. Microsoft, unlike apple does cater to mass market. They are hardware independent and have the largest developer base. They have some issues with legacy support because they were the first entrants into the desktop market. They have made good steps into the convergence world where most others haven&#8217;t: X-box, media center, desktop OS, windows live and windows mobile. Windows live will no doubt be supported on their mobile phones soon, if not already. Their biggest threat is probably from google from an saas and search point of view, as corporates start seeing that you don&#8217;t need to have bloated expensive software and hardware to run a business (google is already selling gmail services to corporates as a domain independent solution)</p>
<p>5. Traditional handset manufacturers need to do something fast. They are having their hardware cloned and need to get on the online services bandwagon which OS-based platforms are offering. They also need to get onto the desktop as platforms start to converge. Nokia and Samsung are starting to develop their services &#8211; not sure about the rest of them. Everybody has email integration, so I can&#8217;t see RIM blowing that trumpet for too much longer&#8230; Sony has an amazing gaming and home media platform which functions mostly in isolation. Nokia may buy out Palm to keep their footprint in the US but I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s going to help much long term. </p>
<p>In my mind, Nokia will either need to start providing an OS or work more closely with an OS which doesn&#8217;t have a mobile solution.  They have bought QT, which has strong relations with KDE and have started the foray into the Linux platform on their mobile devices. They have also signed a deal with Intel which will mean greater co-operation on the Maemo and Moblin platforms between the two.:<br />
<a href="http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/06/new-intelnokia-partnership-a-huge-win-for-mobile-linux.ars" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/06/new-intelnokia-partnership-a-huge-win-for-mobile-linux.ars</a><br />
Getting into the netbook market may just be a smart move to try and leapfrog the rest of the competition. I can&#8217;t see Symbian being part of this future unfortunately. But they will need to support legacy devices and will most likely take a few years to roll out linux across their range.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Nokia Jettison Symbian for Android?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-957250</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Nokia Jettison Symbian for Android?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nokia jettison hundreds of millions of dollars it has invested in Symbian, the operating system that powers its Nokia N- and E-Series phones, among others? If it does, it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sebastiao</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-952550</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastiao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we have now is a commercial war. Europeans buy many iphones and apple doesn’t need to pay for advertisement. They are paying low income reporters to make fake articles almost for free. These days media don’t have any principles. They compare the price of a subsidise iphone (199€) with one unsubsidised N97 (650€). The reality is that they cost the same. America is completely boycotting Nokia and Europe should do the same to the iphone. If the American carriers don’t buy Nokia, the world undisputed leader in the smartphone, the European carriers should do the same. He should respond to this commercial war that the Americans started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we have now is a commercial war. Europeans buy many iphones and apple doesn’t need to pay for advertisement. They are paying low income reporters to make fake articles almost for free. These days media don’t have any principles. They compare the price of a subsidise iphone (199€) with one unsubsidised N97 (650€). The reality is that they cost the same. America is completely boycotting Nokia and Europe should do the same to the iphone. If the American carriers don’t buy Nokia, the world undisputed leader in the smartphone, the European carriers should do the same. He should respond to this commercial war that the Americans started.</p>
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		<title>By: Complete List of Q2 2008 Web / Internet / Tech Acquisitions &#187; The StartUp Blog at PartnerUp</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-936948</link>
		<dc:creator>Complete List of Q2 2008 Web / Internet / Tech Acquisitions &#187; The StartUp Blog at PartnerUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Symbian is a mobile operating system that runs on the ARM architecture used in Nokia, Sony and Samsung devices. TechCrunch &#124; Mashable  &#124; GigaOm [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Europe Backs Symbian With $630M Loan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-927971</link>
		<dc:creator>Europe Backs Symbian With $630M Loan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] develop Symbian and keep it competitive with other mobile operating systems. The loan may change the math we&#8217;ve done on the likelihood of Symbian beating out Android, LiMo, Apple (a AAPL), Windows Mobile and other [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] develop Symbian and keep it competitive with other mobile operating systems. The loan may change the math we&#8217;ve done on the likelihood of Symbian beating out Android, LiMo, Apple (a AAPL), Windows Mobile and other [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 2008 Year End Acquisitions Post &#187; The StartUp Blog at PartnerUp</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-920683</link>
		<dc:creator>2008 Year End Acquisitions Post &#187; The StartUp Blog at PartnerUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Symbian is a mobile operating system that runs on the ARM architecture used in Nokia, Sony and Samsung devices. TechCrunch &#124; Mashable &#124; GigaOm [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nokia Announces N97 Superphone, Won’t Sell It for Months - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-916028</link>
		<dc:creator>Nokia Announces N97 Superphone, Won’t Sell It for Months - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] They are taking a cue from other phone makers, like INQ Mobile, which have already released their version of Facebook phones and are finding early success with them. (Scoble has a hands on review of the phone from a social perspective.) From the looks of it, this is an impressive entry. My frustration with Nokia phones is that they are either underpowered or are hampered by the S60 OS, which is not very reliable and makes the phones crash all the time. (Well, more than my iPhone and less than Windows Mobile.) (Related post: Symbian, iPhone and the New Mobile Reality.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] They are taking a cue from other phone makers, like INQ Mobile, which have already released their version of Facebook phones and are finding early success with them. (Scoble has a hands on review of the phone from a social perspective.) From the looks of it, this is an impressive entry. My frustration with Nokia phones is that they are either underpowered or are hampered by the S60 OS, which is not very reliable and makes the phones crash all the time. (Well, more than my iPhone and less than Windows Mobile.) (Related post: Symbian, iPhone and the New Mobile Reality.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Squawk Box Discussion: Nokia and The Symbian Foundation : Voice on the Web</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-915561</link>
		<dc:creator>Squawk Box Discussion: Nokia and The Symbian Foundation : Voice on the Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then wrote one of his epic posts, &#8220;Symbian, iPhone and the New Reality&#8221; where he talked the realities of today&#8217;s mobile [...]</description>
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		<title>By: World News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; iPhone Challenges Symbian, but Symbian Fights Back</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-899212</link>
		<dc:creator>World News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; iPhone Challenges Symbian, but Symbian Fights Back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] second quarter of 2008 was down to $3.4 million from $4.3 million for the same period in 2007, asSymbian strives to adapt to a more dynamic environment for mobile operating systemsby shifting its royalty [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Miron&#8217;s thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Symbian Puts Fair Fight to iPhone</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-897699</link>
		<dc:creator>Miron&#8217;s thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Symbian Puts Fair Fight to iPhone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] second quarter of 2008 were down to $3.4 million from $4.3 million for the same period in 2007, as Symbian strives to adapt to a more dynamic environment for mobile operating systems by shifting its royalty [...]</description>
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		<title>By: iPhone Challenges Symbian, but Symbian Fights Back - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-897157</link>
		<dc:creator>iPhone Challenges Symbian, but Symbian Fights Back - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] second quarter of 2008 was down to $3.4 million from $4.3 million for the same period in 2007, as Symbian strives to adapt to a more dynamic environment for mobile operating systems by shifting its royalty [...]</description>
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		<title>By: iimt Executive Diploma Project Blog &#187; Symbian, iPhone &#38; the New Mobile Reality</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-896585</link>
		<dc:creator>iimt Executive Diploma Project Blog &#187; Symbian, iPhone &#38; the New Mobile Reality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] New Mobile Reality [...]</description>
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		<title>By: iPhone Killer will not be a phone &#171; Technology, Mobility, Usability and other Musings</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-895365</link>
		<dc:creator>iPhone Killer will not be a phone &#171; Technology, Mobility, Usability and other Musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] GigaOm captures the essence of this paradigm shift really well In this platform game, the winner is going to be the one that can attract the most developers [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mobile device platforms - stand up and be counted at Mobile Musings, Mostly</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-893057</link>
		<dc:creator>Mobile device platforms - stand up and be counted at Mobile Musings, Mostly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this further, Om Malik has a good writeup of the platform players and then offers up his odds on the eventual [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MySQL :: Kaj Arnö</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/06/24/symbian-iphone-the-new-mobile-reality/#comment-887481</link>
		<dc:creator>MySQL :: Kaj Arnö</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many commentators, such as TechCrunchIT, think this is a good move by Nokia. Om Malik has a good analysis of the likely background reasoning. [...]</description>
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