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		<title>By: House of Eratosthenes</title>
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		<dc:creator>House of Eratosthenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] between 1999 and 2003 in the wake of the dot-com bust. Part of the reason may have to do with staff availability: Women aren’t less capable of doing math and science, but they do tend to be less available when [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lisha Sterling</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-881913</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisha Sterling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, amen, a-freaking-men!

I have dealt with blatant sexism in my career only a few times. The real difficulty is being a (single!) mom and having jobs expect me to work 16 hour days. For a long time I dealt with it by refusing to work as an employee and declaring my own hours and work space. For three years I left tech completely. At my current job, pre-employment negotiations involved a grueling process of settling exactly what my hours were and laying out that if they wanted over time out of me it was going to be at my house, not in their office. 

If programming wasn't the only skill I have that makes a living wage in this country (Israel) I would probably be doing something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, amen, a-freaking-men!</p>
<p>I have dealt with blatant sexism in my career only a few times. The real difficulty is being a (single!) mom and having jobs expect me to work 16 hour days. For a long time I dealt with it by refusing to work as an employee and declaring my own hours and work space. For three years I left tech completely. At my current job, pre-employment negotiations involved a grueling process of settling exactly what my hours were and laying out that if they wanted over time out of me it was going to be at my house, not in their office. </p>
<p>If programming wasn&#8217;t the only skill I have that makes a living wage in this country (Israel) I would probably be doing something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Women in VoIP: The Series &#8212; VoIP Insider</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-880978</link>
		<dc:creator>Women in VoIP: The Series &#8212; VoIP Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in general.  Stacy Higginbotham at GIGAOM does a great job covering technology in general, and brought up a great point in regards to a New York Times article about the decline of women in technology past the age of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-879201</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the post Stacey. F

or the past year or so, after I finally realized how having kids had impacted my chosen career path (I am a toxicologist) I began asking for essays about family and career written by other science moms - eventually gathering essays from 33 women, whose careers span the 1970s-through current graduate students - which fill the pages of Motherhood the Elephant in the Laboratory: women science speak out, released this month by Cornell University Press. 

This is a topic that lurks in the background but which isn't always discussed - at least not by those in the trenches, except to those they consider "safe" (friends acquaintances) - for fear of looking unprofessional or loosing credibility.

I'd asked contributors how they keep their science alive while tending to family needs. Many wrote about alternative yet very satisfying career paths through the sciences, including part-time and full-time jobs, while others wrote about sharing academic positions, or raising kids while attaining tenure.

If you'd like to learn more about the project and the book, please visit 
http://sciencemoms.wordpress.com/  The more women who speak out, the more likely things are to change (I hope.)



This all led to a book, recently published by Cornell University Press, Motherhood the Elephant in the Laboratory: women scientists speak out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the post Stacey. F</p>
<p>or the past year or so, after I finally realized how having kids had impacted my chosen career path (I am a toxicologist) I began asking for essays about family and career written by other science moms - eventually gathering essays from 33 women, whose careers span the 1970s-through current graduate students - which fill the pages of Motherhood the Elephant in the Laboratory: women science speak out, released this month by Cornell University Press. </p>
<p>This is a topic that lurks in the background but which isn&#8217;t always discussed - at least not by those in the trenches, except to those they consider &#8220;safe&#8221; (friends acquaintances) - for fear of looking unprofessional or loosing credibility.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d asked contributors how they keep their science alive while tending to family needs. Many wrote about alternative yet very satisfying career paths through the sciences, including part-time and full-time jobs, while others wrote about sharing academic positions, or raising kids while attaining tenure.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like to learn more about the project and the book, please visit<br />
 (<a href="http://sciencemoms.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">link</a>)   The more women who speak out, the more likely things are to change (I hope.)</p>
<p>This all led to a book, recently published by Cornell University Press, Motherhood the Elephant in the Laboratory: women scientists speak out.</p>
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		<title>By: DBN</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-878721</link>
		<dc:creator>DBN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the idea of family friendly policies in an ideal world - and the concept of giving parents time off to care for children.  I am a woman with kids.  HOWEVER - that is fine for IBM or huge corporations who can afford it.  Where does the money come from in smaller companies or, even more so, in start up companies - to pay the salary of somebody who is not working?  So you need to hire somebody to do the person's job while they are gone, plus pay the person who is gone.  It is wonderful.  But it is unrealistic to think that smaller companies can afford to do this and be successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the idea of family friendly policies in an ideal world - and the concept of giving parents time off to care for children.  I am a woman with kids.  HOWEVER - that is fine for IBM or huge corporations who can afford it.  Where does the money come from in smaller companies or, even more so, in start up companies - to pay the salary of somebody who is not working?  So you need to hire somebody to do the person&#8217;s job while they are gone, plus pay the person who is gone.  It is wonderful.  But it is unrealistic to think that smaller companies can afford to do this and be successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvia Paull</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-878717</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvia Paull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A relatively new organization, momsrising.org, founded by Joan Blades, a cofounder of moveon.org and former VP and cofounder of Berkeley Systems, a software company that produced the After Dark screensaver, is trying to get Americans to adopt family-friendly workplace policies, so that all parents and caregivers have time off from work without being penalized. This is what they do in Europe, Australia and Canada -- give parents time off with pay for child care leave; provide decent, affordable child care; and don't penalize parents for time off to be with sick kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A relatively new organization, momsrising.org, founded by Joan Blades, a cofounder of moveon.org and former VP and cofounder of Berkeley Systems, a software company that produced the After Dark screensaver, is trying to get Americans to adopt family-friendly workplace policies, so that all parents and caregivers have time off from work without being penalized. This is what they do in Europe, Australia and Canada &#8212; give parents time off with pay for child care leave; provide decent, affordable child care; and don&#8217;t penalize parents for time off to be with sick kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kuo&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Women and Technology: and why online culture needs to change</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-878706</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kuo&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Women and Technology: and why online culture needs to change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Higginbotham at GigaOm has an interesting commentary on the New York Times recent news item on the loss of women in science and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-878699</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with your assessment and the need for significant change in the industry.  It would be a shame that bright, innovative young women, like so many of the award recipients at this past week's Intel Science and Engineering Fair, might be turned off to the technological fields when they have so incredibly much to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with your assessment and the need for significant change in the industry.  It would be a shame that bright, innovative young women, like so many of the award recipients at this past week&#8217;s Intel Science and Engineering Fair, might be turned off to the technological fields when they have so incredibly much to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Danno</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-878672</link>
		<dc:creator>Danno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off - good call on the article placement issue.  And that reflect the priority that the culture places on the work/life balance issue thus far...  That is: "Work/Life Balance is something for mothers who want to spend time with their kids, but continue to complain about equal pay... Never mind that their single male counterparts put in 20 hours a week more than they do..."

I think focusing on the work/life balance as a basic HUMAN RIGHT (it affects health so deeply -- physical and psychological), as opposed to a gender-specific issue, will help it gain more traction with the broader public.

Treating causes like this in a more 'universal' manner is the key to change, really.  It's much like what's happened to affirmative action (AA) in colleges.  After various Court rulings declaring it unconstitutional, the colleges have simply changed it from a race issue, to a class issue -- which after all is much more fair, and also satisfies the original intent of AA, since there is a strong correlation (though not an exclusive one by any means) between race and class.  By giving special considerations based on class, as opposed to race, the colleges have actually given MORE people the opportunities they need/deserve.  And they've done so in a way that is supported by a much broader base (politically and economically).

Helping to broaden the work/life balance from mainly an issue of mothers who want to spend time with their children, to a basic human right will also help.  100+ hours a week spent at any job is simply a 21st Century form of indentured servitude -- and yes, while one can say 'If you don't like it, just find another job'  however, that's not always possible, especially in times of economic slowdowns and mortgages that can't be met...  This takes an enormous toll on families, as well as the nation as a whole:

     * from added strain upon the healthcare system
     * to lower birth-rates -- the movie Idiocracy may not be so far-fetched -- but even beyond that, there are many financial &#38; social strains placed upon countries with declining birth rates among wage-earners, coupled with aging populations (just check out the budget and healthcare issues in Japan, much of Europe, etc. which are just entering such an era)
     * to added strains on the justice system -- so many kids growing up with absentee parents certainly can't remain trouble-free for long
     * and much more...

This is a much larger issue than many seem to realize...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off - good call on the article placement issue.  And that reflect the priority that the culture places on the work/life balance issue thus far&#8230;  That is: &#8220;Work/Life Balance is something for mothers who want to spend time with their kids, but continue to complain about equal pay&#8230; Never mind that their single male counterparts put in 20 hours a week more than they do&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I think focusing on the work/life balance as a basic HUMAN RIGHT (it affects health so deeply &#8212; physical and psychological), as opposed to a gender-specific issue, will help it gain more traction with the broader public.</p>
<p>Treating causes like this in a more &#8216;universal&#8217; manner is the key to change, really.  It&#8217;s much like what&#8217;s happened to affirmative action (AA) in colleges.  After various Court rulings declaring it unconstitutional, the colleges have simply changed it from a race issue, to a class issue &#8212; which after all is much more fair, and also satisfies the original intent of AA, since there is a strong correlation (though not an exclusive one by any means) between race and class.  By giving special considerations based on class, as opposed to race, the colleges have actually given MORE people the opportunities they need/deserve.  And they&#8217;ve done so in a way that is supported by a much broader base (politically and economically).</p>
<p>Helping to broaden the work/life balance from mainly an issue of mothers who want to spend time with their children, to a basic human right will also help.  100+ hours a week spent at any job is simply a 21st Century form of indentured servitude &#8212; and yes, while one can say &#8216;If you don&#8217;t like it, just find another job&#8217;  however, that&#8217;s not always possible, especially in times of economic slowdowns and mortgages that can&#8217;t be met&#8230;  This takes an enormous toll on families, as well as the nation as a whole:</p>
<p>     * from added strain upon the healthcare system<br />
     * to lower birth-rates &#8212; the movie Idiocracy may not be so far-fetched &#8212; but even beyond that, there are many financial &amp; social strains placed upon countries with declining birth rates among wage-earners, coupled with aging populations (just check out the budget and healthcare issues in Japan, much of Europe, etc. which are just entering such an era)<br />
     * to added strains on the justice system &#8212; so many kids growing up with absentee parents certainly can&#8217;t remain trouble-free for long<br />
     * and much more&#8230;</p>
<p>This is a much larger issue than many seem to realize&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Computer Science Was A Dead End For Me : The Last Podcast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Computer Science Was A Dead End For Me : The Last Podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Higginbotham recently post on GigaOM about Women Troubles In Technology in response to a NYT article about the loss of women in the science and technology fields once they [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nicole</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-878667</link>
		<dc:creator>nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>men and women are pushed to extremes when it comes to work, and like you said at the end, it takes a major event like a heart attack or a child to change many minds.  sometimes running people like hampsters isnt effective.  when people are comfortable and happy, i believe, is when they are most productive.  maybe we should all look at quality instead of quantity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>men and women are pushed to extremes when it comes to work, and like you said at the end, it takes a major event like a heart attack or a child to change many minds.  sometimes running people like hampsters isnt effective.  when people are comfortable and happy, i believe, is when they are most productive.  maybe we should all look at quality instead of quantity</p>
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		<title>By: Esme Vos</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-878664</link>
		<dc:creator>Esme Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do wonder how many people, men and women, leave companies that require them to put in so many hours doing stupid tasks, putting up with office politics. By focusing only on women, the Times is missing a bigger story: that more people - men and women - are leaving traditional work places. When I say traditional, I don't mean old line businesses like steel mills. I mean, companies where you put in "face time" where the boss is autocratic and office politics reigns supreme. A lot of men and women don't quit these types of companies to sit at home; they set up their own businesses. Has anyone tried to measure that -- how many people quit and started their own firms? In Silicon Valley, that's what a lot of men (and women) do. Check out the 37 Signals blog -- they always talk about "nontraditional" styles of working, like taking Friday afternoons off. 37 Signals is a small firm that's doing well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do wonder how many people, men and women, leave companies that require them to put in so many hours doing stupid tasks, putting up with office politics. By focusing only on women, the Times is missing a bigger story: that more people - men and women - are leaving traditional work places. When I say traditional, I don&#8217;t mean old line businesses like steel mills. I mean, companies where you put in &#8220;face time&#8221; where the boss is autocratic and office politics reigns supreme. A lot of men and women don&#8217;t quit these types of companies to sit at home; they set up their own businesses. Has anyone tried to measure that &#8212; how many people quit and started their own firms? In Silicon Valley, that&#8217;s what a lot of men (and women) do. Check out the 37 Signals blog &#8212; they always talk about &#8220;nontraditional&#8221; styles of working, like taking Friday afternoons off. 37 Signals is a small firm that&#8217;s doing well.</p>
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		<title>By: Eline</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-878661</link>
		<dc:creator>Eline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't agree more! (I am a mother of 2 small children working full time for a Venture Capital company)
This is so correct and it is not only true in the Valley but here in Europe as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more! (I am a mother of 2 small children working full time for a Venture Capital company)<br />
This is so correct and it is not only true in the Valley but here in Europe as well!</p>
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		<title>By: DBM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-878659</link>
		<dc:creator>DBM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually don't agree with time balance being a male/female issue.  As a woman over 40 in technology - I know that even with 3 kids, I've worked 100 hours/ week for as long as I can remember.  I just incorporate my kids into my life (work or otherwise) as much as possible (and have a husband with a flexible schedule).  I don't really have a line between "work" and "play".  As a result my oldest son is starting college in the fall and majoring in New Media and Interactive Design...I've taken him with me to so many trade shows, E3s, etc.  With my daughters I am doing the same.  Interestingly, most women I know who don't have the luxury I do choose to work less hours/spend time at home and end up working MORE hours to compensate, they just getting "part time" money.

The "Macho Club" - I find that much more of a real issue.  Men don't seem to draw such a hard line between business and play either - but nobody invites a woman to be one of a foursome for golf and then have drinks in the "mens grill" afterward. There are many places that women are not included, period.
My comments here may apply more to the Northeast part of the US than it would to the West Coast, not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually don&#8217;t agree with time balance being a male/female issue.  As a woman over 40 in technology - I know that even with 3 kids, I&#8217;ve worked 100 hours/ week for as long as I can remember.  I just incorporate my kids into my life (work or otherwise) as much as possible (and have a husband with a flexible schedule).  I don&#8217;t really have a line between &#8220;work&#8221; and &#8220;play&#8221;.  As a result my oldest son is starting college in the fall and majoring in New Media and Interactive Design&#8230;I&#8217;ve taken him with me to so many trade shows, E3s, etc.  With my daughters I am doing the same.  Interestingly, most women I know who don&#8217;t have the luxury I do choose to work less hours/spend time at home and end up working MORE hours to compensate, they just getting &#8220;part time&#8221; money.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Macho Club&#8221; - I find that much more of a real issue.  Men don&#8217;t seem to draw such a hard line between business and play either - but nobody invites a woman to be one of a foursome for golf and then have drinks in the &#8220;mens grill&#8221; afterward. There are many places that women are not included, period.<br />
My comments here may apply more to the Northeast part of the US than it would to the West Coast, not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: tobto</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-878655</link>
		<dc:creator>tobto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 11:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd add this is the whole world general tendency. Some say there are no women at work after 40.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d add this is the whole world general tendency. Some say there are no women at work after 40.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/05/15/woman-troubles-in-technology/#comment-878628</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 08:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even with companies like Google, you get "puff" pieces in The Wall Street Journal focusing and highlighting Marissa Mayer and fashion, sending mixed messages if you ask me (why not also a piece on Larry &#38; Sergey...)

Glamour at Google
Marissa Mayer, Google's first female engineer and current vice president, talks about her personal style philosophy, and what's in her wardrobe.
The Wall Street Journal. May 1, 2008
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120881523314732607.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even with companies like Google, you get &#8220;puff&#8221; pieces in The Wall Street Journal focusing and highlighting Marissa Mayer and fashion, sending mixed messages if you ask me (why not also a piece on Larry &amp; Sergey&#8230;)</p>
<p>Glamour at Google<br />
Marissa Mayer, Google&#8217;s first female engineer and current vice president, talks about her personal style philosophy, and what&#8217;s in her wardrobe.<br />
The Wall Street Journal. May 1, 2008<br />
 (<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120881523314732607.html" rel="nofollow">link</a>) </p>
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