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		<title>By: Open Source mobile edition</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/08/app-engine-competition-is-good-for-everyone/#comment-870767</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Source mobile edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] The delivery of the Google App Engine may turn out to be the biggest story of this year. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: M L</title>
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		<dc:creator>M L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Drop by at morphexchange.com and see how we stack up with those that you have tried already.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drop by at morphexchange.com and see how we stack up with those that you have tried already.</p>
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		<title>By: Racklabs - Thoughts on the Hosted IT Revolution &#187; Clouds Everywhere, Including Rackspace</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/08/app-engine-competition-is-good-for-everyone/#comment-870623</link>
		<dc:creator>Racklabs - Thoughts on the Hosted IT Revolution &#187; Clouds Everywhere, Including Rackspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] am not going to pore over the details of what it can and cannot do since that has been covered ad nauseam on the web. Either way, this move was expected, and is a great proof point of the hosting revolution ahead of [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] am not going to pore over the details of what it can and cannot do since that has been covered ad nauseam on the web. Either way, this move was expected, and is a great proof point of the hosting revolution ahead of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vesa Salmi &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Googlen App Engine -alusta saattaa olla käännekohta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vesa Salmi &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Googlen App Engine -alusta saattaa olla käännekohta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Edit 10.4.: tässä vielä lisää aiheesta - GigaOM 8.4.08 [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Guess I Should Learn Python &#171; fnerd.com</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/08/app-engine-competition-is-good-for-everyone/#comment-870468</link>
		<dc:creator>Guess I Should Learn Python &#171; fnerd.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] 10, 2008 in tech   Google has released their App Engine. Winer&#8217;s really excited. McConnell thinks it will scare competitors like Amazon S3 into reconsidering their models, especially for the [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 10, 2008 in tech   Google has released their App Engine. Winer&#8217;s really excited. McConnell thinks it will scare competitors like Amazon S3 into reconsidering their models, especially for the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jengates Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-04-09</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/08/app-engine-competition-is-good-for-everyone/#comment-870444</link>
		<dc:creator>Jengates Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-04-09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] App Engine: Competition Is Good for Everyone - GigaOM [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Wes Felter</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/08/app-engine-competition-is-good-for-everyone/#comment-870381</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes Felter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your wish list sounds like Project Caroline. https://www.projectcaroline.net/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your wish list sounds like Project Caroline. <a href="https://www.projectcaroline.net/" rel="nofollow">https://www.projectcaroline.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Google Cloud Now on Tap for Web Developers - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/08/app-engine-competition-is-good-for-everyone/#comment-870325</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Cloud Now on Tap for Web Developers - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] its new Application Engine product, has taken aim squarely at the web services market &#8212; and companies from Amazon.com to Bungee Labs should be running scared. The search giant&#8217;s Application Engine allows developers to build a web application &#8220;in [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] its new Application Engine product, has taken aim squarely at the web services market &#8212; and companies from Amazon.com to Bungee Labs should be running scared. The search giant&#8217;s Application Engine allows developers to build a web application &#8220;in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 113.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>113.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good point about potential conflict of interest.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: App Engine: Competition Is Good for Everyone &#124; Brian McConnell &#124; Voices &#124; AllThingsD</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/08/app-engine-competition-is-good-for-everyone/#comment-870253</link>
		<dc:creator>App Engine: Competition Is Good for Everyone &#124; Brian McConnell &#124; Voices &#124; AllThingsD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Read the rest of this post   Print  all_things_di220:http://voices.allthingsd.com/20080409/mcconnell-2/  Sphere Comment  Tagged: Brian McConnell, S3, App Engine, applications, software, Amazon, Voices, Google &#124; permalink [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Read the rest of this post   Print  all_things_di220:http://voices.allthingsd.com/20080409/mcconnell-2/  Sphere Comment  Tagged: Brian McConnell, S3, App Engine, applications, software, Amazon, Voices, Google | permalink [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Will Google App Engine change things? &#171; ElephantDrive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Google App Engine change things? &#171; ElephantDrive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Also, more recently, Brian McConnell says it will be good for everybody [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Doug Cutting</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/08/app-engine-competition-is-good-for-everyone/#comment-870196</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Cutting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As others have indicated above, cloud-based MySQL is not practical, and a distributed filesystem cannot be used like a local filesystem.  What's required to build vendor-neutral cloud applications are non-proprietary APIs.  One could try to develop standards for this, or, more simply, start building an open-source stack.  http://hadoop.apache.org/ provides a foundation for this.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others have indicated above, cloud-based MySQL is not practical, and a distributed filesystem cannot be used like a local filesystem.  What&#8217;s required to build vendor-neutral cloud applications are non-proprietary APIs.  One could try to develop standards for this, or, more simply, start building an open-source stack.  <a href="http://hadoop.apache.org/" rel="nofollow">http://hadoop.apache.org/</a> provides a foundation for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian McConnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian McConnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The key point I wanted to get across is that I think this is what Google had in mind for a web OS, that you could run your app on a platform that automatically scales, and that hides all the operational issues from you. I do think it's a milestone in the sense that hosting vendors have to pay attention to this now, and that a year from now, vendors who do not offer scale-on-demand hosting in some form will look like dinosaurs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I'll be the first to admit that I do not have extensive experience building large scale web applications that can handle millions of users. None of the services I have designed so far have grown to that level. Not many other people have personal experience dealing with this issue, and they're not cheap either.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What I like about cloud computing services, if they can be made to look like a pretty standard LAMP server, is that you can focus on designing your application, and generally not worry about planning for unexpected success. Of course, if your app does take off and attract millions of people, you'll be smart to hire someone who's dealt with large scale services before, but if it doesn't happen, you haven't wasted time and money building something for people who never show up. Or if it takes off unexpectedly, at least your service does not completely fall on its face for several months while you sort through these issues.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key point I wanted to get across is that I think this is what Google had in mind for a web OS, that you could run your app on a platform that automatically scales, and that hides all the operational issues from you. I do think it&#8217;s a milestone in the sense that hosting vendors have to pay attention to this now, and that a year from now, vendors who do not offer scale-on-demand hosting in some form will look like dinosaurs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be the first to admit that I do not have extensive experience building large scale web applications that can handle millions of users. None of the services I have designed so far have grown to that level. Not many other people have personal experience dealing with this issue, and they&#8217;re not cheap either.</p>
<p>What I like about cloud computing services, if they can be made to look like a pretty standard LAMP server, is that you can focus on designing your application, and generally not worry about planning for unexpected success. Of course, if your app does take off and attract millions of people, you&#8217;ll be smart to hire someone who&#8217;s dealt with large scale services before, but if it doesn&#8217;t happen, you haven&#8217;t wasted time and money building something for people who never show up. Or if it takes off unexpectedly, at least your service does not completely fall on its face for several months while you sort through these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: eas</title>
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		<dc:creator>eas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think if it were straight forward to treat scalable storage as if it was a local file system, and scalable databases as if they were just ordinary mySQL or Postgres databases, Amazon would have done so before they ever started offering public web services it would have be much simpler for their internal application developers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It's pretty clear that scalable services require deviations from the familiar programming models can can use for apps that run on a small number of machines. Pretending otherwise would likely create as many problems as it solves.  Providing different interfaces helps set expectations up front:  These services are similar to things you are used to, but they aren't the same.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if it were straight forward to treat scalable storage as if it was a local file system, and scalable databases as if they were just ordinary mySQL or Postgres databases, Amazon would have done so before they ever started offering public web services it would have be much simpler for their internal application developers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty clear that scalable services require deviations from the familiar programming models can can use for apps that run on a small number of machines. Pretending otherwise would likely create as many problems as it solves.  Providing different interfaces helps set expectations up front:  These services are similar to things you are used to, but they aren&#8217;t the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wilensky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Wilensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Embarrassing? Boy have you said a mouthful. "There is nothing more perfect for your mobile application back-end than MySQL enterprise cluster", said one LAMP developer to me. We had already simulated that there would be greater than 400 writes /sec/ and transient joins.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The young man's mouth hung open for a full minute, and while he waffled, I sent him to http://danga.com for a copy of Fitzpatrick's paper on avoiding write saturation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, one thing the schema-less no join architecture buys us on top of Google's GFS is no write saturation. So, a generation of table joiners and SQL jockeys will just have to get jiggly with a hierarchical or object based storage model.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Embarrassing? Boy have you said a mouthful. &#8220;There is nothing more perfect for your mobile application back-end than MySQL enterprise cluster&#8221;, said one LAMP developer to me. We had already simulated that there would be greater than 400 writes /sec/ and transient joins.</p>
<p>The young man&#8217;s mouth hung open for a full minute, and while he waffled, I sent him to <a href="http://danga.com" rel="nofollow">http://danga.com</a> for a copy of Fitzpatrick&#8217;s paper on avoiding write saturation.</p>
<p>Well, one thing the schema-less no join architecture buys us on top of Google&#8217;s GFS is no write saturation. So, a generation of table joiners and SQL jockeys will just have to get jiggly with a hierarchical or object based storage model.</p>
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		<title>By: Lew, Rackspace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lew, Rackspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post.  Google and Amazon are serious and they are doing some very cool things.  But, the broader move to the cloud is a huge trend and there will be many flavors.  Our own cloud hosting offer, Mosso, is a whole stack variant just like google, but standards based (LAMP, .net and Ruby).  Compute clouds, like AWS, will also emerge from hosters.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Truth in the room, I would prefer not to compete with the richest company in the world, but, no one can advance a trend like they can.  Many winners will exist when you think about millions of servers moving to the cloud in the coming decade.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  Google and Amazon are serious and they are doing some very cool things.  But, the broader move to the cloud is a huge trend and there will be many flavors.  Our own cloud hosting offer, Mosso, is a whole stack variant just like google, but standards based (LAMP, .net and Ruby).  Compute clouds, like AWS, will also emerge from hosters.</p>
<p>Truth in the room, I would prefer not to compete with the richest company in the world, but, no one can advance a trend like they can.  Many winners will exist when you think about millions of servers moving to the cloud in the coming decade.</p>
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