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	<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Access + rich content = storage everywhere &#171; Storage Effect</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-877570</link>
		<dc:creator>Access + rich content = storage everywhere &#171; Storage Effect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 12:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] turned on its city-wide wifi service.  Not to mention the local cable company&#8217;s launch of the nation&#8217;s highest speed cable broadband package at 50Mbps.  Competition is a wonderful [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] turned on its city-wide wifi service.  Not to mention the local cable company&#8217;s launch of the nation&#8217;s highest speed cable broadband package at 50Mbps.  Competition is a wonderful [...]</p>
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		<title>By: As Broadband Growth Slows, Expect Speed Boosts - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-876203</link>
		<dc:creator>As Broadband Growth Slows, Expect Speed Boosts - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recent months, Comcast started experimenting with 50 Mbps service (in Minneapolis), while Qwest said it it will start offering two new, higher-tier services [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recent months, Comcast started experimenting with 50 Mbps service (in Minneapolis), while Qwest said it it will start offering two new, higher-tier services [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Onieyes</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-869890</link>
		<dc:creator>Onieyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I currently have 50/20 fios in NYC at $89 a month. I am currently at work but will be glad to post a speed test later.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I currently have 50/20 fios in NYC at $89 a month. I am currently at work but will be glad to post a speed test later.</p>
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		<title>By: VTFootballGrad</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-869325</link>
		<dc:creator>VTFootballGrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fios is about the same as the $hitty broadband service that Comcast offers. I'd pay the extra few bucks for Verizon right now.  Comcast is the king of suck.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fios is about the same as the $hitty broadband service that Comcast offers. I&#8217;d pay the extra few bucks for Verizon right now.  Comcast is the king of suck.</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-869307</link>
		<dc:creator>John Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Corey Gillmore--&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As many people post every time Om or someone posts about FIOS pricing, in northern Virginia I have 30 down, 5 up from FIOS for $60/month.  Verizon's pricing scheme is very different in different areas, entirely dependent on competition.  The prices that they list on their website are the max prices for anywhere in the country, but in local areas, especially those with more competition, FIOS is offered with more throughput and for less cost.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In several places the 50/5 plan is $60/month.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey Gillmore&#8211;</p>
<p>As many people post every time Om or someone posts about FIOS pricing, in northern Virginia I have 30 down, 5 up from FIOS for $60/month.  Verizon&#8217;s pricing scheme is very different in different areas, entirely dependent on competition.  The prices that they list on their website are the max prices for anywhere in the country, but in local areas, especially those with more competition, FIOS is offered with more throughput and for less cost.</p>
<p>In several places the 50/5 plan is $60/month.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Burstein</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-869306</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Burstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Om&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;DOCSIS 3.0, as we've both been saying, is that good. I predict 50 meg both upstream and down, 95+% of the time.  DOCSIS 3.0 is 4-12 times faster than what Comcast has today, making it far easier to handle whatever bandwidth customers demand. It's also really cheap - Comcast estimates that 100 meg in DOCSIS 3.0 will cost them about the same as 6 meg in the current system. So Comcast can sell it at $30-$50/month and see 60-80% margins, better than their TV service. That's already the price at Numericable in France, which throws in free phone service across the country.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The bandwidth will make it harder to breach net neutrality, especially as 3.0 is designed to speed up three more times, up to a gig when needed.  On any decent network, that will handle likely demand until 2015-2017. That's great news. Comcast is smart to discourage customers with a high price until the bugs are out, then bring it down. If the U.S. had 4 strong competitors, like France, the 50 meg price would drop 70% over the next two years. That should include 50 meg upstream as well, which should be part of the package in 2009. (The upstream bonding is already at CableLabs for certification.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Which leads to my conclusion that the next battle will be to get a fair price and availability for all. 80% of North America is served by other cablecos, nearly all moving more slowly than Comcast. The gear is new and guaranteed to have problems at the beginning, so most will let others solve the inevitable bugs. 96% of the U.S. can get cable, and there is no technical reason not to offer it to almost all of them in the next 2-4 years.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let's make it so. It will change the Internet. db&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Brian Roberts dropped the bomb: 50 megabit DOCSIS 3.0 to 20 million homes in two years, upstream as well as down. Bravo to him for building a better network. The price is temporarily high ($150), but the marginal cost per home per month is about $10-12, virtually the same as today's cable modems.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Randall at AT&#38;T should be having nightmares. DOCSIS 3.0 real speed is 4 to 50 times as fast as any service they have for the better part of a decade. Their top tech people pointed out in 2004 that U-Verse was a big gamble, because it is far behind what DOCSIS 3.0 will deliver.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Numericable has passed two million French homes.in the major cities, and Videotron is taking the battle to Bell Canada.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om</p>
<p>DOCSIS 3.0, as we&#8217;ve both been saying, is that good. I predict 50 meg both upstream and down, 95+% of the time.  DOCSIS 3.0 is 4-12 times faster than what Comcast has today, making it far easier to handle whatever bandwidth customers demand. It&#8217;s also really cheap - Comcast estimates that 100 meg in DOCSIS 3.0 will cost them about the same as 6 meg in the current system. So Comcast can sell it at $30-$50/month and see 60-80% margins, better than their TV service. That&#8217;s already the price at Numericable in France, which throws in free phone service across the country.</p>
<p>The bandwidth will make it harder to breach net neutrality, especially as 3.0 is designed to speed up three more times, up to a gig when needed.  On any decent network, that will handle likely demand until 2015-2017. That&#8217;s great news. Comcast is smart to discourage customers with a high price until the bugs are out, then bring it down. If the U.S. had 4 strong competitors, like France, the 50 meg price would drop 70% over the next two years. That should include 50 meg upstream as well, which should be part of the package in 2009. (The upstream bonding is already at CableLabs for certification.)</p>
<p>Which leads to my conclusion that the next battle will be to get a fair price and availability for all. 80% of North America is served by other cablecos, nearly all moving more slowly than Comcast. The gear is new and guaranteed to have problems at the beginning, so most will let others solve the inevitable bugs. 96% of the U.S. can get cable, and there is no technical reason not to offer it to almost all of them in the next 2-4 years.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s make it so. It will change the Internet. db</p>
<p>Brian Roberts dropped the bomb: 50 megabit DOCSIS 3.0 to 20 million homes in two years, upstream as well as down. Bravo to him for building a better network. The price is temporarily high ($150), but the marginal cost per home per month is about $10-12, virtually the same as today&#8217;s cable modems.</p>
<p>Randall at AT&amp;T should be having nightmares. DOCSIS 3.0 real speed is 4 to 50 times as fast as any service they have for the better part of a decade. Their top tech people pointed out in 2004 that U-Verse was a big gamble, because it is far behind what DOCSIS 3.0 will deliver.</p>
<p>Numericable has passed two million French homes.in the major cities, and Videotron is taking the battle to Bell Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-869291</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;At least we know now that Comcast's deal with BitTorrent wasn't just fluff. They did promise to start rolling-out DOCSIS 3.0 and now they have.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least we know now that Comcast&#8217;s deal with BitTorrent wasn&#8217;t just fluff. They did promise to start rolling-out DOCSIS 3.0 and now they have.</p>
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		<title>By: John B</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-869155</link>
		<dc:creator>John B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In some parts of Quebec you can now get 50 mbps down/1 mbps up for $80/month.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.videotron.com/services/en/internet/internet-tgv50/presentation.jsp" rel="nofollow"&gt;Details here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some parts of Quebec you can now get 50 mbps down/1 mbps up for $80/month.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.videotron.com/services/en/internet/internet-tgv50/presentation.jsp" rel="nofollow">Details here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Want Wideband Internet? Comcast Offers It In Twin Cities &#124; Maun Tech</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-869141</link>
		<dc:creator>Want Wideband Internet? Comcast Offers It In Twin Cities &#124; Maun Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Several web sites are reporting on this today and I will list the links below.&#160; Would you be willing to pay $150 a month for Internet access at those speeds?&#160; I like a fast Internet connection myself, but not sure I&#8217;d want to fork over $150 a month to have those speeds.&#160; According to Om Malik at GigaOm, Comcast promises that it will make this Wideband available in 20% of their market by 2009. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Several web sites are reporting on this today and I will list the links below.&nbsp; Would you be willing to pay $150 a month for Internet access at those speeds?&nbsp; I like a fast Internet connection myself, but not sure I&#8217;d want to fork over $150 a month to have those speeds.&nbsp; According to Om Malik at GigaOm, Comcast promises that it will make this Wideband available in 20% of their market by 2009. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-869127</link>
		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How does this compare to other offers in that area - and to what packages are on FiOS?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does this compare to other offers in that area - and to what packages are on FiOS?</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Gilmore</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-869126</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey Gilmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I'm not sure that I'd call Verizon FIOS very expensive, at least not by US standards.  In the Scandinavian and Nordic countries you can get full 10mbit and 100mbit connections from your ISP, often for as little as ~$40 USD for 100mbit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;FIOS Pricing
Annual Plans:
5/2: $43/mo
15/2: $53/mo
15/15: $65/mo
30/15: $140/mo&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Month-to-Month:
5/2: $51/mo
15/2: $61/mo
15/15: $73/mo
30/15: $160/mo&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I&#8217;d call Verizon FIOS very expensive, at least not by US standards.  In the Scandinavian and Nordic countries you can get full 10mbit and 100mbit connections from your ISP, often for as little as ~$40 USD for 100mbit.</p>
<p>FIOS Pricing<br />
Annual Plans:<br />
5/2: $43/mo<br />
15/2: $53/mo<br />
15/15: $65/mo<br />
30/15: $140/mo</p>
<p>Month-to-Month:<br />
5/2: $51/mo<br />
15/2: $61/mo<br />
15/15: $73/mo<br />
30/15: $160/mo</p>
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		<title>By: broadband_fan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-869117</link>
		<dc:creator>broadband_fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I'm sure this price point was well thought out.  They are not looking to attract large penetration volumes at this price.  They know that only that a samll fraction of subscribers will bite at this price.  They know this and planned for it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure this price point was well thought out.  They are not looking to attract large penetration volumes at this price.  They know that only that a samll fraction of subscribers will bite at this price.  They know this and planned for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt_</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/04/02/comcast-docsis3-0-wideband/#comment-869113</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For $150 per month  I would expect more upload capacity than 5MB/sec upstream&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For $150 per month  I would expect more upload capacity than 5MB/sec upstream</p>
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