Comments on: The Telia-Cogent Spat Could Ruin the Web For Many http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/ Trusted Insights and Conversations on the Next Wave of Technology Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:44:08 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: 10 Stories That Defined Broadband in 2008 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-920012 10 Stories That Defined Broadband in 2008 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:05:17 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-920012 <p>[...] Sprint — and shut off its connections with them, which resulted in many of their customers losing access to the Internet. Regardless of whose fault it was, the brouhaha brought home the fact that the [...]</p> [...] Sprint — and shut off its connections with them, which resulted in many of their customers losing access to the Internet. Regardless of whose fault it was, the brouhaha brought home the fact that the [...]

]]> By: Cogent, Sprint Un-peer, May Cause Web Slowdown - GigaOM http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-909330 Cogent, Sprint Un-peer, May Cause Web Slowdown - GigaOM Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:56:47 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-909330 <p>[...] here. Cogent, based in Washington DC has been involved in similar un-peering spats with Level 3, Telia and other [...]</p> [...] here. Cogent, based in Washington DC has been involved in similar un-peering spats with Level 3, Telia and other [...]

]]> By: Bandbredden blir bara billigare och billigare | Nätkoll.se | Nyhetsbloggen om nätets affärer http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-903523 Bandbredden blir bara billigare och billigare | Nätkoll.se | Nyhetsbloggen om nätets affärer Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:02:21 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-903523 <p>[...] Transfer som bandbredd heter när du köper den i gross. Leverantörerna är till exempel Cogent (som Telia var osams med tidigare i år), Level 3, Indiska Tata, Global Crossing och [...]</p> [...] Transfer som bandbredd heter när du köper den i gross. Leverantörerna är till exempel Cogent (som Telia var osams med tidigare i år), Level 3, Indiska Tata, Global Crossing och [...]

]]> By: PO Install Causes Poker Stars to Crash - PokerOffice Users Forum http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-868897 PO Install Causes Poker Stars to Crash - PokerOffice Users Forum Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:11:29 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-868897 <p>[...] a warning from Telia (my internet provider) regarding the connection to US sites, relating to this: The Telia-Cogent Spat Could Ruin the Web For Many - GigaOM So I just thought that was the reason, but that might have just been a coincidence, thta it [...]</p> [...] a warning from Telia (my internet provider) regarding the connection to US sites, relating to this: The Telia-Cogent Spat Could Ruin the Web For Many – GigaOM So I just thought that was the reason, but that might have just been a coincidence, thta it [...]

]]> By: Don http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-868190 Don Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:46:43 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-868190 <p>For anyone who is interested this article may shed a little more on the dispute:</p> <p>http://www.thelocal.se/10786/20080330/</p> For anyone who is interested this article may shed a little more on the dispute:

http://www.thelocal.se/10786/20080330/

]]> By: Josh http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867975 Josh Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:46:57 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867975 <p>I am customer of both TeliaSonera and....unfortunately Cogent. Cogent's network is a mess, since all their external peerings are over-used, they are overselling bandwidth for cheap prices, attempting to get into European and actively to Scandinavian market.</p> <p>Quality really sux!!! Compare to TeliaSonera where we have contract on 100 mbit/sec with peaks up to 1 GBit - we in fact can reach 1 GBit/sec speed in 1 stream. If we try Cogent - it would not give me more then 100 mbit/sec pr.stream, even though we do have the same agreement on peaks to 1 GBit/sec. When contacted Cogent, they say - start 10 connections and you will reach 1 GBit/sec.....I laughed my ass off when they said that. Typically Cogent, officially they are within contract's rules by saying everything is fine inside of their net, but when it comes to connecting outside within Europe - it's a nightmare.</p> <p>I strongly urge you to consider what is more important to you - good quality or pricing and bad quality.</p> I am customer of both TeliaSonera and….unfortunately Cogent. Cogent’s network is a mess, since all their external peerings are over-used, they are overselling bandwidth for cheap prices, attempting to get into European and actively to Scandinavian market.

Quality really sux!!! Compare to TeliaSonera where we have contract on 100 mbit/sec with peaks up to 1 GBit – we in fact can reach 1 GBit/sec speed in 1 stream. If we try Cogent – it would not give me more then 100 mbit/sec pr.stream, even though we do have the same agreement on peaks to 1 GBit/sec. When contacted Cogent, they say – start 10 connections and you will reach 1 GBit/sec…..I laughed my ass off when they said that. Typically Cogent, officially they are within contract’s rules by saying everything is fine inside of their net, but when it comes to connecting outside within Europe – it’s a nightmare.

I strongly urge you to consider what is more important to you – good quality or pricing and bad quality.

]]> By: alex http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867973 alex Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:37:19 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867973 <p>ye blummin ha! that was a suprise today when my favourite site started working again. Well wonder what has happened behind the scenes. Maybe telia actually took heed too all the complaints they must have recieved in the last 2 weeks. Hope they go and sort themselves out now.</p> ye blummin ha! that was a suprise today when my favourite site started working again. Well wonder what has happened behind the scenes. Maybe telia actually took heed too all the complaints they must have recieved in the last 2 weeks. Hope they go and sort themselves out now.

]]> By: Dave http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867948 Dave Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:47:38 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867948 <p>The war is over, people go home!</p> The war is over, people go home!

]]> By: Lars http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867943 Lars Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:08:00 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867943 <p>Telia is my ISP and I can now connect to download.skype.com (which actually resolves to skype-technologies.demarc.cogentco.com). The traceroute shows it is a direct connection between Telia and Cogent.</p> Telia is my ISP and I can now connect to download.skype.com (which actually resolves to skype-technologies.demarc.cogentco.com). The traceroute shows it is a direct connection between Telia and Cogent.

]]> By: Don http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867929 Don Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:13:03 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867929 <p>Yes, my Carbonite backup has started up again. Maybe Carbonite have routed around Cogent if thats possible. Maybe Telia has backed down and grovelled, maybe they are both grovelling -- we will never know (maybe Cogent will tell us).</p> Yes, my Carbonite backup has started up again. Maybe Carbonite have routed around Cogent if thats possible. Maybe Telia has backed down and grovelled, maybe they are both grovelling — we will never know (maybe Cogent will tell us).

]]> By: Bill Blakeus http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867910 Bill Blakeus Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:04:17 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867910 <p>All services are still down for websites on Cogent. Telia is not even trying to comment his issue in any way. The blame is definately TeiaSoneras as it is their responsibilit to keep the business relations open "at all costs". This is a typical "old Telia" behaviour from the happy days of telecom monopoly. They still act as they can do whatever they like and never think for one single moment on what their customers think about their actions.</p> <p>For me it is easy to switch to another ISP but many of my corporate clients are stuck with TeliaSonera and they rely on my websites for content.</p> <p>To move all my content to other servers is possible but very demanding as it is many servers and loads of GB. One might have thought that this issue would resolve quickly, but now it is 2 weeks already...</p> <p>No word whatsoever from TS and will advice everyone I know from using TeliaSonera.</p> <p>Bill</p> All services are still down for websites on Cogent. Telia is not even trying to comment his issue in any way. The blame is definately TeiaSoneras as it is their responsibilit to keep the business relations open “at all costs”. This is a typical “old Telia” behaviour from the happy days of telecom monopoly. They still act as they can do whatever they like and never think for one single moment on what their customers think about their actions.

For me it is easy to switch to another ISP but many of my corporate clients are stuck with TeliaSonera and they rely on my websites for content.

To move all my content to other servers is possible but very demanding as it is many servers and loads of GB. One might have thought that this issue would resolve quickly, but now it is 2 weeks already…

No word whatsoever from TS and will advice everyone I know from using TeliaSonera.

Bill

]]> By: Lars http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867887 Lars Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:25:35 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867887 <p>ITS BEEN FIXED!!!!!!!!!!!!</p> <p>finally it works for me again... i hope it works for all of u too... happy fckin birthday!</p> ITS BEEN FIXED!!!!!!!!!!!!

finally it works for me again… i hope it works for all of u too… happy fckin birthday!

]]> By: Jørgen Kristensen http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867874 Jørgen Kristensen Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:36:48 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867874 <p>And for that reason I can no longer getmy online backup from CARBONOTE.com Bad for me! Please help!</p> And for that reason I can no longer getmy online backup from CARBONOTE.com Bad for me! Please help!

]]> By: Tulenloimu http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867831 Tulenloimu Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:52:50 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867831 <p>Someone is recommending other browsers like OperaTor, but that won't help us who need to update our web sites by FTP, neither will it get me my e-mails. It's not just the surfing that's disturbed.</p> <p>Telia in Sweden doesn't give a s***, it seems. I've tried to alert a couple of widely read papers to take this feud up in their news lists, but I've only seen Dagens Nyheter (the big morning paper) writing about this. The evening papers - nothing, that I've seen, althoug the big IT site idg.se has discussed it. Neither has any radio or TV-station commented, AFAIK.</p> <p>A pity. Lots of people still out there don't know why they can't reach their favorite sites, etc.</p> Someone is recommending other browsers like OperaTor, but that won’t help us who need to update our web sites by FTP, neither will it get me my e-mails. It’s not just the surfing that’s disturbed.

Telia in Sweden doesn’t give a s***, it seems. I’ve tried to alert a couple of widely read papers to take this feud up in their news lists, but I’ve only seen Dagens Nyheter (the big morning paper) writing about this. The evening papers – nothing, that I’ve seen, althoug the big IT site idg.se has discussed it. Neither has any radio or TV-station commented, AFAIK.

A pity. Lots of people still out there don’t know why they can’t reach their favorite sites, etc.

]]> By: Tulenloimu http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867830 Tulenloimu Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:52:10 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867830 <p>Someone is recommending other browsers like OperaTor, but that won't help us who need to update our web sites by FTP, neither will it get me my e-mails. It's not just the surfing that's disturbed.</p> <p>Telia in Sweden doesn't give a s***, it seems. I've tried to alert a couple of widely read papers to take this feud up in their news lists, but I've only seen Dagens Nyheter (the big morning paper) writing about this. The evening papers - nothing, that I've seen, althoug the big IT site idg.se has discussed it.</p> <p>A pity. Lots of people still out there don't know why they can't reach their favorite sites, etc.</p> Someone is recommending other browsers like OperaTor, but that won’t help us who need to update our web sites by FTP, neither will it get me my e-mails. It’s not just the surfing that’s disturbed.

Telia in Sweden doesn’t give a s***, it seems. I’ve tried to alert a couple of widely read papers to take this feud up in their news lists, but I’ve only seen Dagens Nyheter (the big morning paper) writing about this. The evening papers – nothing, that I’ve seen, althoug the big IT site idg.se has discussed it.

A pity. Lots of people still out there don’t know why they can’t reach their favorite sites, etc.

]]> By: Martin http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867828 Martin Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:43:42 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2008/03/14/the-telia-cogent-spat-could-ruin-web-for-many/#comment-867828 <p>I have a Swedish customer who streams video from Blip.tv to a website, accessed mainly by Swedish customers who use Telia. I am in the UK and can access the site correctly and see the streamed content. However anyone in Sweden on Telia cannot get the streamed content, they get an error message saying "server not found".</p> <p>Blip.tv uses Cogent as its primary ISP, but also has another backup ISP. I have asked Blip.tv to see if they can solve the problem, essentially by providing the streaming through their backup ISP. Hence the action taken will remove traffic from Cogent to a.n.other ISP.</p> <p>I don't know the rights and wrongs of this situation, but if ISP's stop businesses from reaching their customers, they will lose out in the end, customers will vote with their feet.</p> <p>If this could be done by as many affected people as possible it may start to get the message across.</p> I have a Swedish customer who streams video from Blip.tv to a website, accessed mainly by Swedish customers who use Telia. I am in the UK and can access the site correctly and see the streamed content. However anyone in Sweden on Telia cannot get the streamed content, they get an error message saying “server not found”.

Blip.tv uses Cogent as its primary ISP, but also has another backup ISP. I have asked Blip.tv to see if they can solve the problem, essentially by providing the streaming through their backup ISP. Hence the action taken will remove traffic from Cogent to a.n.other ISP.

I don’t know the rights and wrongs of this situation, but if ISP’s stop businesses from reaching their customers, they will lose out in the end, customers will vote with their feet.

If this could be done by as many affected people as possible it may start to get the message across.

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