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	<title>Comments on: Oh No&#8230;.Blackberry Ban In India?</title>
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		<title>By: sunny</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195490</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;indian govt. did the right thing.because nothing come between our national security one email can do a lot more than our thinking...&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>indian govt. did the right thing.because nothing come between our national security one email can do a lot more than our thinking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Government Control Over RIM Chips Away at Web Freedoms</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Government Control Over RIM Chips Away at Web Freedoms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] Ironically, this isn&#8217;t the first time such a situation has risen in India. Back in 2007, one particular carrier, Tata, wasn&#8217;t initially allowed to offer RIM services because, according the Indian Department of Telecommunications, &#8220;BlackBerry service does not [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ironically, this isn&#8217;t the first time such a situation has risen in India. Back in 2007, one particular carrier, Tata, wasn&#8217;t initially allowed to offer RIM services because, according the Indian Department of Telecommunications, &#8220;BlackBerry service does not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arunabh Das</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195488</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t believe you asked a question like that Om. Clearly, if someone turns on 3G / 2G / Edge on their blackberry in India, it will not connect to the APN. Tata Teleservices is the carrier in this case and it won&#039;t be permitted to do a handshake with a device that is not compliant with DoT&#039;s regulations. Duh!! - Arunabh Das&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe you asked a question like that Om. Clearly, if someone turns on 3G / 2G / Edge on their blackberry in India, it will not connect to the APN. Tata Teleservices is the carrier in this case and it won&#8217;t be permitted to do a handshake with a device that is not compliant with DoT&#8217;s regulations. Duh!! &#8211; Arunabh Das</p>
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		<title>By: 8 Years of Tech Un-savviness &#171; A Technology Blog by ABHImanyu Radhakrishnan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[8 Years of Tech Un-savviness &#171; A Technology Blog by ABHImanyu Radhakrishnan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 8, 2008 &#183; 2 Comments  One of the world&#8217;s top blogs Gigaom picked up a Tech 2.0 story on the possible blackberry [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Law of Mobility &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Big Bell Dogma: March 2008</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195486</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] Blackberry ban in India [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: Sachin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195485</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Hi Om...Good news..&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No ban on Blackberry services: Govt&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/mar/14black.htm&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Om&#8230;Good news..</p>
<p>No ban on Blackberry services: Govt</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/mar/14black.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/mar/14black.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Govt. to ban blackberry? - Page 3 - Team-BHP</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195484</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] on the blackberry ban   Blackberry dubbed a security threat. Will govt ban it next? - Sify.com Oh No&#8230;.Blackberry Ban In India? - GigaOM Tech Ticker Blog Archive BlackBerry to face ban in India? Tech2.com India &gt; BlackBerry Blackout [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on the blackberry ban   Blackberry dubbed a security threat. Will govt ban it next? &#8211; Sify.com Oh No&#8230;.Blackberry Ban In India? &#8211; GigaOM Tech Ticker Blog Archive BlackBerry to face ban in India? Tech2.com India &gt; BlackBerry Blackout [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anand Sharma</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195483</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anand Sharma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;@Tech Trends&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;IMHO, the officials at MHA are not over-zealous but are following the &quot;better safe than sorry&quot; approach. This is because, as we all are aware, India is the worst affected country by terrorism after Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tech Trends</p>
<p>IMHO, the officials at MHA are not over-zealous but are following the &#8220;better safe than sorry&#8221; approach. This is because, as we all are aware, India is the worst affected country by terrorism after Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackberry Banned in India? &#124; Techtify</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195482</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] to Gigaom, iPatrix and other websites Blackberry&#8217;s - no, not the food, I&#8217;m talking about the [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jose Miguel Cansado</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195481</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jose Miguel Cansado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Lawful interception is going to be a tough issue to enforce in the Internet world. How do you control all emails services when https is used by most webmails? and how will they tap all VoIP services available, like Skype?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawful interception is going to be a tough issue to enforce in the Internet world. How do you control all emails services when https is used by most webmails? and how will they tap all VoIP services available, like Skype?</p>
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		<title>By: Tech Trends</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195480</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tech Trends]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s strange. How is Blackberry affecting the internal security of just India? Rest of the world seems to have no problem with the device...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is an old saying... &quot; It only happens in India! &quot;&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s strange. How is Blackberry affecting the internal security of just India? Rest of the world seems to have no problem with the device&#8230;</p>
<p>There is an old saying&#8230; &#8221; It only happens in India! &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Sampath</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195479</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sampath]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;fine fine..Its easy gng on and on abt how dumb the govt is and how all the smart ppl in the world sit in the silicon valley or blog.....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While this move by the Govt may be a little ill conceived but very country has a sovereign right to protect itself..US carriers share ALL data (bills, CDRs, Ip addresses, web behavior) with agencies and CALEA is one of the most intrusive laws around.....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But when any developing country does anything suddenly bloggers get all excited.....&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fine fine..Its easy gng on and on abt how dumb the govt is and how all the smart ppl in the world sit in the silicon valley or blog&#8230;..</p>
<p>While this move by the Govt may be a little ill conceived but very country has a sovereign right to protect itself..US carriers share ALL data (bills, CDRs, Ip addresses, web behavior) with agencies and CALEA is one of the most intrusive laws around&#8230;..</p>
<p>But when any developing country does anything suddenly bloggers get all excited&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Abhimanyu</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195478</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abhimanyu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Aswath, there are two different points here, the technical and legal. I concur that TRAI is fairly tech savvy COMPARED to the rest of govt since they have some of the best minds advising them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This Blackberry issue is more to do with the HOME MINISTRY ie. INTERNAL SECURITY rather than the DoT and TRAI. As a macro concept, the powers that be still believe  that ALL COMMUNICATIONS in the Republic of India need to be accessible to big brother &quot;in the interest of national security&quot;. Thus imho the VoIP controversy had more to do with monitoring ability and less to do with milking licenses for commercial reasons. MHA is scared that they wont be able to trace calls on VoIP the same way that they can do on GSM/CDMA/Fixed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Isn&#039;t the PSTN issue relevant only for Skype Out and PC to phone services? My impression is that for PC to PC VoIP, although they haven&#039;t put this in writing, they are clearly not ok with it. Anyway, one positive outcome of this discussion is that the next time i&#039;m at the ministry I&#039;ll get them to come on the record on this issue :-) More power to watchdogs like you!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The debate that I suggested we continue on my blog was another issue altogether - your contention that indian tech media likes portraying sarkari types as idiots - i&#039;ve put a detailed post on that so would love to see your response :-)&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aswath, there are two different points here, the technical and legal. I concur that TRAI is fairly tech savvy COMPARED to the rest of govt since they have some of the best minds advising them.</p>
<p>This Blackberry issue is more to do with the HOME MINISTRY ie. INTERNAL SECURITY rather than the DoT and TRAI. As a macro concept, the powers that be still believe  that ALL COMMUNICATIONS in the Republic of India need to be accessible to big brother &#8220;in the interest of national security&#8221;. Thus imho the VoIP controversy had more to do with monitoring ability and less to do with milking licenses for commercial reasons. MHA is scared that they wont be able to trace calls on VoIP the same way that they can do on GSM/CDMA/Fixed.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t the PSTN issue relevant only for Skype Out and PC to phone services? My impression is that for PC to PC VoIP, although they haven&#8217;t put this in writing, they are clearly not ok with it. Anyway, one positive outcome of this discussion is that the next time i&#8217;m at the ministry I&#8217;ll get them to come on the record on this issue :-) More power to watchdogs like you!</p>
<p>The debate that I suggested we continue on my blog was another issue altogether &#8211; your contention that indian tech media likes portraying sarkari types as idiots &#8211; i&#8217;ve put a detailed post on that so would love to see your response :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Aswath</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195477</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aswath]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I started this conversation here, so if you don&#039;t mind let us continue it here (as long as GigaOm allows it).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good to know that the original reporter has already contacted the relevant authorities. As I said in my previous comment, then I would have expected that this would have been mentioned in the story as well. This does two things - it puts them under pressure to respond and it gives the readers the assurance that the publishers will followup with a story when and if they receive a response. Otherwise it feels like a drive-by shooting.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the case of VoIP, TRAI has made a logical regulatory guidelines. Many in the industry may not agree with their logic and would like to get a more favorable regulation. But that is a different story. Let me share my understanding of TRAI advisory. There are no restriction in VoIP except while interconnecting to PSTN. There are only two ways to interconnect to Indian PSTN: at the international gateways with International settlement charges; at the domestic gateways at a special settlement charges. The latter requires special license and the fees are not insignificant. We may not agree with the position they have taken that PSTN interconnection is a revenue source and they have decided to milk it. True believers of VoIP should not pay any attention to it because after all PSTN is living on borrowed times.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Can you please give me some reference where the government has claimed that Skype is illegal, because TRAI advisory does not say so. I suspect that Skype would like to interconnect at domestic gateways and that is the source of contention. In a previous post, Om Malik quoted a news story that said BPOs will be declared illegal because they are using VoIP. That report went unchallenged, when the real story is that BPOs were interconnecting to PSTN at domestic gateways. So let us be fair and also show that we understand the other side&#039;s line of reasoning even as we disagree with them.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started this conversation here, so if you don&#8217;t mind let us continue it here (as long as GigaOm allows it).</p>
<p>Good to know that the original reporter has already contacted the relevant authorities. As I said in my previous comment, then I would have expected that this would have been mentioned in the story as well. This does two things &#8211; it puts them under pressure to respond and it gives the readers the assurance that the publishers will followup with a story when and if they receive a response. Otherwise it feels like a drive-by shooting.</p>
<p>In the case of VoIP, TRAI has made a logical regulatory guidelines. Many in the industry may not agree with their logic and would like to get a more favorable regulation. But that is a different story. Let me share my understanding of TRAI advisory. There are no restriction in VoIP except while interconnecting to PSTN. There are only two ways to interconnect to Indian PSTN: at the international gateways with International settlement charges; at the domestic gateways at a special settlement charges. The latter requires special license and the fees are not insignificant. We may not agree with the position they have taken that PSTN interconnection is a revenue source and they have decided to milk it. True believers of VoIP should not pay any attention to it because after all PSTN is living on borrowed times.</p>
<p>Can you please give me some reference where the government has claimed that Skype is illegal, because TRAI advisory does not say so. I suspect that Skype would like to interconnect at domestic gateways and that is the source of contention. In a previous post, Om Malik quoted a news story that said BPOs will be declared illegal because they are using VoIP. That report went unchallenged, when the real story is that BPOs were interconnecting to PSTN at domestic gateways. So let us be fair and also show that we understand the other side&#8217;s line of reasoning even as we disagree with them.</p>
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		<title>By: SomaS</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195476</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 04:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Well, my understanding of the whole issue is that Government has woken up to this phenomenon of BlackBerry doesnt allow lawfulinterception of its emails and they want to correct itself now however my understnading of blackberry technology all the mails are piggybacking on the existing mailboxes of the enterprise mailservices or like yahoo&#039;s and googles of the world, where is the question of montoring only balckberry services?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my understanding of the whole issue is that Government has woken up to this phenomenon of BlackBerry doesnt allow lawfulinterception of its emails and they want to correct itself now however my understnading of blackberry technology all the mails are piggybacking on the existing mailboxes of the enterprise mailservices or like yahoo&#8217;s and googles of the world, where is the question of montoring only balckberry services?</p>
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		<title>By: Abhimanyu</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/03/07/blackberry-ban-india/#comment-195475</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abhimanyu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;@Ashwath&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hi - i don&#039;t know who the other Abhi is (though the FIRST comment abhi is me) but you can confirm that I&#039;m the editor of Tech2.com by emailing me (my first name as spelt in this comment at tech2 dotcom)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Firstly great to see your attitude that you&#039;re having fun and not getting personal like many commenters :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the VoIP front, i think the scorn is directed more at the fact that DoT seriously expects the likes of Skype to apply for a VoIP license and thus become &quot;legal&quot; in India.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for the piece itself, we&#039;re India&#039;s leading tech news and reviews site by traffic and as part of the Network 18 group, we&#039;re hardcore mainstream in credibility though very &quot;New Media&quot; as (the other) abhi said in writing style - mix of news, opinion and even humour. Yes, our colleague from sister outfit CNBC-TV18 who broke this story HAS asked for confirmation from the MHA and DoT but not got a response so far. That doesn&#039;t stop us from reporting the FACT that CNBC has filed this report quoting its sources.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And finally on your point of tech media showing regulators as Luddites .. well, I think we should carry that debate on at my blog (chakravyu dot com) where i&#039;ve put up a post - one incident every year (since i&#039;ve been on the india tech beat) that shows govt being clueless on tech. Let me know if you agree!&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ashwath</p>
<p>Hi &#8211; i don&#8217;t know who the other Abhi is (though the FIRST comment abhi is me) but you can confirm that I&#8217;m the editor of Tech2.com by emailing me (my first name as spelt in this comment at tech2 dotcom)</p>
<p>Firstly great to see your attitude that you&#8217;re having fun and not getting personal like many commenters :-)</p>
<p>On the VoIP front, i think the scorn is directed more at the fact that DoT seriously expects the likes of Skype to apply for a VoIP license and thus become &#8220;legal&#8221; in India.</p>
<p>As for the piece itself, we&#8217;re India&#8217;s leading tech news and reviews site by traffic and as part of the Network 18 group, we&#8217;re hardcore mainstream in credibility though very &#8220;New Media&#8221; as (the other) abhi said in writing style &#8211; mix of news, opinion and even humour. Yes, our colleague from sister outfit CNBC-TV18 who broke this story HAS asked for confirmation from the MHA and DoT but not got a response so far. That doesn&#8217;t stop us from reporting the FACT that CNBC has filed this report quoting its sources.</p>
<p>And finally on your point of tech media showing regulators as Luddites .. well, I think we should carry that debate on at my blog (chakravyu dot com) where i&#8217;ve put up a post &#8211; one incident every year (since i&#8217;ve been on the india tech beat) that shows govt being clueless on tech. Let me know if you agree!</p>
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