Comments on: LTE vs WiMAX: A Little 4G Sibling Rivalry http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/ Trusted Insights and Conversations on the Next Wave of Technology Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:48:41 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: iPhones: Yay or Nay? - Page 25 - AST Forums http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-985564 iPhones: Yay or Nay? - Page 25 - AST Forums Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:07:24 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-985564 <p>[...] iPhones: Yay or Nay? http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-littl...bling-rivalry/ __________________ And I'm not the only one who feels this [...]</p> [...] iPhones: Yay or Nay? http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-littl…bling-rivalry/ __________________ And I'm not the only one who feels this [...]

]]> By: Vic Ellescas http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-985033 Vic Ellescas Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:05:47 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-985033 <p>I believe WiMax should be the future. The cellphone operators are scared about it. Because it's like Linux vs Prop OS (like Win XP, OS X etc.) Imagine all our calls are made through Gizmo or Google talk or Skype, Yahoo voice etc? NO DATA PLAN NO TEXT MESSG PLAN etc. The future of cellphone will be like handheld PC's. With voice and video, games etc. Cloud computing and communication is the future Google knows it. If the world have wifi on every 10 square meter would you sill your cellphone? A ipod touch will be sufficient.</p> I believe WiMax should be the future. The cellphone operators are scared about it. Because it’s like Linux vs Prop OS (like Win XP, OS X etc.) Imagine all our calls are made through Gizmo or Google talk or Skype, Yahoo voice etc? NO DATA PLAN NO TEXT MESSG PLAN etc. The future of cellphone will be like handheld PC’s. With voice and video, games etc. Cloud computing and communication is the future Google knows it. If the world have wifi on every 10 square meter would you sill your cellphone? A ipod touch will be sufficient.

]]> By: JD http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-984490 JD Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:40:02 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-984490 <p>True story, lets not forget it was college kids trying to save money on music that lead to the decline of the juggernaut that was the recording industry... If everyone on campus uses WiMax enabled devices on campus then their parents will likely have WiMax at home for them too...</p> True story, lets not forget it was college kids trying to save money on music that lead to the decline of the juggernaut that was the recording industry… If everyone on campus uses WiMax enabled devices on campus then their parents will likely have WiMax at home for them too…

]]> By: JD http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-984489 JD Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:35:10 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-984489 <p>Google is a Clearwire investor and shareholder, however it does seem they are hedging their bets since they have signaled they are going to work with Verizon on making Android devices to run on their yet to be deployed LTE network...</p> Google is a Clearwire investor and shareholder, however it does seem they are hedging their bets since they have signaled they are going to work with Verizon on making Android devices to run on their yet to be deployed LTE network…

]]> By: JD http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-984488 JD Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:31:27 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-984488 <p>Intel Centrino 2 chips will be built for both WiMax and WiFi capabilities... The simple fact that WiMax is designed similar to WiFi does give it an advantage (WiFi devices far outnumber that of any cellular standard since WiFi is free after initial costs) despite the backward compatibility of LTE, carriers are still likely to use their backward policies of restricting IP-based apps and other features that threaten their current business model.</p> Intel Centrino 2 chips will be built for both WiMax and WiFi capabilities… The simple fact that WiMax is designed similar to WiFi does give it an advantage (WiFi devices far outnumber that of any cellular standard since WiFi is free after initial costs) despite the backward compatibility of LTE, carriers are still likely to use their backward policies of restricting IP-based apps and other features that threaten their current business model.

]]> By: Aspen Dispatch: Inter-Platform Keynotes | Broadband Breakfast http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-984215 Aspen Dispatch: Inter-Platform Keynotes | Broadband Breakfast Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:51:04 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-984215 <p>[...] According to Richard, his company continues to be an innovator with recent investments in the LTE standard for 4G communications, the explosive growth of FIOS, and the commitment to dynamic networks that are responsive to the [...]</p> [...] According to Richard, his company continues to be an innovator with recent investments in the LTE standard for 4G communications, the explosive growth of FIOS, and the commitment to dynamic networks that are responsive to the [...]

]]> By: Rumor Has It: Verizon and Apple Testing iPhone LTE http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-979128 Rumor Has It: Verizon and Apple Testing iPhone LTE Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:12:56 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-979128 <p>[...] and 4 people have commented 3G may be the current standard in network data communication, but 4G Long Term Evolution (LTE) networks are just around the corner. Verizon is working on building its own LTE network as we [...]</p> [...] and 4 people have commented 3G may be the current standard in network data communication, but 4G Long Term Evolution (LTE) networks are just around the corner. Verizon is working on building its own LTE network as we [...]

]]> By: bob http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-971335 bob Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:53:17 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-971335 <p>Neither WiMax (mobile or otherwise) or LTE is a 4G technology and to represent them as such is grossly misleading.</p> <p>Wikipedia for example relates what are the internationally agreed parameters for 4G. It's likely Mobile WiMax falls hould on a number of these, but most obvious is the minimum requirement for 100Mbps.</p> <p>4G refers to the fourth generation of cellular wireless and is a successor to 3G and 2G standards....associates 4G with International Mobile Telecommunications-Advanced (IMT Advanced), though 4G is a broader term and could include standards outside IMT-Advanced. A 4G system may upgrade existing communication networks and is expected to provide a comprehensive and secure IP based solution where facilities such as voice, data and streamed multimedia will be provided to users on an "Anytime, Anywhere" basis and at much higher data rates compared to previous generations.</p> <p>4G is being developed to accommodate the QoS and rate requirements set by forthcoming applications like wireless broadband access, Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS), video chat, mobile TV, HDTV content, Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB), minimal services like voice and data, and other services that utilize bandwidth.</p> <p>The 4G working group has defined the following as objectives of the 4G wireless communication standard:</p> <p>A spectrally efficient system (in bits/s/Hz and bits/s/Hz/site),[1] High network capacity: more simultaneous users per cell,[2] A nominal data rate of 100 Mbit/s while the client physically moves at high speeds relative to the station, and 1 Gbit/s while client and station are in relatively fixed positions as defined by the ITU-R,[3] A data rate of at least 100 Mbit/s between any two points in the world,[3] Smooth handoff across heterogeneous networks,[4] Seamless connectivity and global roaming across multiple networks,[5] High quality of service for next generation multimedia support (real time audio, high speed data, HDTV video content, mobile TV, etc)[5] Interoperability with existing wireless standards,[6] and An all IP, packet switched network.[5]</p> Neither WiMax (mobile or otherwise) or LTE is a 4G technology and to represent them as such is grossly misleading.

Wikipedia for example relates what are the internationally agreed parameters for 4G. It’s likely Mobile WiMax falls hould on a number of these, but most obvious is the minimum requirement for 100Mbps.

4G refers to the fourth generation of cellular wireless and is a successor to 3G and 2G standards….associates 4G with International Mobile Telecommunications-Advanced (IMT Advanced), though 4G is a broader term and could include standards outside IMT-Advanced. A 4G system may upgrade existing communication networks and is expected to provide a comprehensive and secure IP based solution where facilities such as voice, data and streamed multimedia will be provided to users on an “Anytime, Anywhere” basis and at much higher data rates compared to previous generations.

4G is being developed to accommodate the QoS and rate requirements set by forthcoming applications like wireless broadband access, Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS), video chat, mobile TV, HDTV content, Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB), minimal services like voice and data, and other services that utilize bandwidth.

The 4G working group has defined the following as objectives of the 4G wireless communication standard:

A spectrally efficient system (in bits/s/Hz and bits/s/Hz/site),[1] High network capacity: more simultaneous users per cell,[2] A nominal data rate of 100 Mbit/s while the client physically moves at high speeds relative to the station, and 1 Gbit/s while client and station are in relatively fixed positions as defined by the ITU-R,[3] A data rate of at least 100 Mbit/s between any two points in the world,[3] Smooth handoff across heterogeneous networks,[4] Seamless connectivity and global roaming across multiple networks,[5] High quality of service for next generation multimedia support (real time audio, high speed data, HDTV video content, mobile TV, etc)[5] Interoperability with existing wireless standards,[6] and An all IP, packet switched network.[5]

]]> By: ML http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-970896 ML Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:05:47 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-970896 <p>You make a very important point, interoperability. It is difficult now to get a ROAMing agreement with one of the big operators, even if your equipment is compatible. I suspect that it will continue to be more difficult</p> You make a very important point, interoperability. It is difficult now to get a ROAMing agreement with one of the big operators, even if your equipment is compatible. I suspect that it will continue to be more difficult

]]> By: Anthony Wandeto http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-969103 Anthony Wandeto Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:17:07 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-969103 <p>I strongly believe LTE is likely to dominate in the West, and the same effect will trickle down to Africa where the middle-class (bulk of internet users) and the younger generation are more likely to trust a Mobile operator than a Wimax Operator (mostly seen as slow ISPs).</p> I strongly believe LTE is likely to dominate in the West, and the same effect will trickle down to Africa where the middle-class (bulk of internet users) and the younger generation are more likely to trust a Mobile operator than a Wimax Operator (mostly seen as slow ISPs).

]]> By: Anthony Wandeto http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-969101 Anthony Wandeto Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:14:40 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-969101 <p>Hi Clonmore, I think 3G/4G is destined for more success in developing countries than WiMAX. Investment cost is an obsession in Africa and clearly, Re-use of 2G and 3G Base stations gives most African Mobile Operators a head-start. Case in point: Kenya, Nigeria and South Africa, the leaders in Mobile Telecoms development (Sub-Saharan Africa) - 3G in these countries is hot! Wimax operators emerged earlier than 3G and have been overtaken and almost crushed before they could even make a difference in the data market. I strongly believe 4G is likely to dominate in the West, and the same effect will trickle down to Africa where the middle-class (bulk of internet users) and the younger generation are more likely to trust a Mobile operator than a Wimax Operator (mostly seen as ISPs).</p> <p>Anthony.</p> Hi Clonmore, I think 3G/4G is destined for more success in developing countries than WiMAX. Investment cost is an obsession in Africa and clearly, Re-use of 2G and 3G Base stations gives most African Mobile Operators a head-start. Case in point: Kenya, Nigeria and South Africa, the leaders in Mobile Telecoms development (Sub-Saharan Africa) – 3G in these countries is hot! Wimax operators emerged earlier than 3G and have been overtaken and almost crushed before they could even make a difference in the data market. I strongly believe 4G is likely to dominate in the West, and the same effect will trickle down to Africa where the middle-class (bulk of internet users) and the younger generation are more likely to trust a Mobile operator than a Wimax Operator (mostly seen as ISPs).

Anthony.

]]> By: WiMAX Not Really 4G: Ericsson CTO | www.wi-fi-zones.com http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-967478 WiMAX Not Really 4G: Ericsson CTO | www.wi-fi-zones.com Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:15:00 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-967478 <p>[...] chief technology officer of Stockholm, Sweden-based telecom equipment giant Ericsson, doesn’t much care for WiMAX. He doesn’t even think of it as a real 4G wireless technology — though to be fair, [...]</p> [...] chief technology officer of Stockholm, Sweden-based telecom equipment giant Ericsson, doesn’t much care for WiMAX. He doesn’t even think of it as a real 4G wireless technology — though to be fair, [...]

]]> By: WiMAX Not Really 4G: Ericsson CTO http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-966529 WiMAX Not Really 4G: Ericsson CTO Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:16:29 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-966529 <p>[...] chief technology officer of Stockholm, Sweden-based telecom equipment giant Ericsson, doesn’t much care for WiMAX. He doesn’t even think of it as a real 4G wireless technology — though to be fair, [...]</p> [...] chief technology officer of Stockholm, Sweden-based telecom equipment giant Ericsson, doesn’t much care for WiMAX. He doesn’t even think of it as a real 4G wireless technology — though to be fair, [...]

]]> By: Tracking Verizon’s Shifting Statements on LTE http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-962641 Tracking Verizon’s Shifting Statements on LTE Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:44:40 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-962641 <p>[...] that surprising, given how much media attention has been given to the rollout of LTE, which will offer much faster mobile broadband speeds. In addition to launching a new network, based on GSM rather than the familiar CDMA standard, [...]</p> [...] that surprising, given how much media attention has been given to the rollout of LTE, which will offer much faster mobile broadband speeds. In addition to launching a new network, based on GSM rather than the familiar CDMA standard, [...]

]]> By: umer http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-953261 umer Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:19:42 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-953261 <p>nice article but u r not given the ENOUGH material about ( LTE) so can u explain more about LTE</p> nice article but u r not given the ENOUGH material about ( LTE) so can u explain more about LTE

]]> By: Intel Still Pushing WiMAX With $43M for UQ Communications http://gigaom.com/2008/03/05/a-little-4g-sibling-rivalry/#comment-951299 Intel Still Pushing WiMAX With $43M for UQ Communications Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:34:51 +0000 http://gigaom.com/?p=11695#comment-951299 <p>[...] world. Compared with other forms of wireless broadband, such as the current 3G networks and coming Long Term Evolution networks provided by the cell carriers, WiMAX is an underdog, but Intel keeps sending it back into the ring with more money. It has [...]</p> [...] world. Compared with other forms of wireless broadband, such as the current 3G networks and coming Long Term Evolution networks provided by the cell carriers, WiMAX is an underdog, but Intel keeps sending it back into the ring with more money. It has [...]

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