Comments on: Adobe AIR & Its Hybrid App Dreams http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/ Tracking the Internet Evolution Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:19:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Yahoo Plans to Take on Gears, Air and Prism - GigaOM http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-880637 Yahoo Plans to Take on Gears, Air and Prism - GigaOM Wed, 28 May 2008 21:43:07 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-880637 [...] Yahoo Plans to Take on Gears, Air and Prism — Yahoo is following the footsteps of other technology giants by launching its own desktop/web hybrid application called BrowserPlus. The plug-in is only [...] [...] Yahoo Plans to Take on Gears, Air and Prism — Yahoo is following the footsteps of other technology giants by launching its own desktop/web hybrid application called BrowserPlus. The plug-in is only [...]

]]> By: » Adobe’s RIA platform brings web and desktop together NeW Adobe: wow Adobe http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-870981 » Adobe’s RIA platform brings web and desktop together NeW Adobe: wow Adobe Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:56:22 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-870981 <p>[...] until a final release to both create applications and download them. Now we have it. A lot of the general commentary focuses on the offline aspect of AIR, which is great, but I see the main value being a bridge [...]</p> [...] until a final release to both create applications and download them. Now we have it. A lot of the general commentary focuses on the offline aspect of AIR, which is great, but I see the main value being a bridge [...]

]]> By: James Gillmore http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-863250 James Gillmore Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:15:52 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-863250 <p>Hi, my company OrganicIncentive.com (go to "trial" tab to see tool) is looking for a great Flex/Air developer to convert our amazing Flex-based drag-n-drop flash widget creation tools to AIR.</p> <p>Any takers or does anyone know any people that have spent the last year mastering AIR?</p> <p>James from FaceySpacey.com, Your One Stop Social Media Shop</p> Hi, my company OrganicIncentive.com (go to “trial” tab to see tool) is looking for a great Flex/Air developer to convert our amazing Flex-based drag-n-drop flash widget creation tools to AIR.

Any takers or does anyone know any people that have spent the last year mastering AIR?

James
from
FaceySpacey.com, Your One Stop Social Media Shop

]]> By: Mari Silbey http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-862985 Mari Silbey Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:03:07 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-862985 <p>Still a big fan of Google Reader's offline mode. It's simple and I don't need it often, but when I do, it's invaluable. The amount of reading I have to do in a day means getting behind is disastrous. Thanks to Google Gears, I can read even when I'm not connected.</p> Still a big fan of Google Reader’s offline mode. It’s simple and I don’t need it often, but when I do, it’s invaluable. The amount of reading I have to do in a day means getting behind is disastrous. Thanks to Google Gears, I can read even when I’m not connected.

]]> By: Antoine of MMM/Brighthand http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-862976 Antoine of MMM/Brighthand Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:36:20 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-862976 <p>When the applications are thsoe that solve problems, beyond those vertical applications, then we should see those RIAs advance beyond something more than a flash in the pan every few months or so. Long tail adoption of web apps would be more able to happen if RIAs pick up, and at the same time, they need to offer more compelling items than just repeating the offline paradigm of use.</p> When the applications are thsoe that solve problems, beyond those vertical applications, then we should see those RIAs advance beyond something more than a flash in the pan every few months or so. Long tail adoption of web apps would be more able to happen if RIAs pick up, and at the same time, they need to offer more compelling items than just repeating the offline paradigm of use.

]]> By: Marl Balou http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-862975 Marl Balou Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:10:50 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-862975 <p>As Brian states, this is more than just offline access. Ideally data & state should reside in the cloud so that it is accessible from anywhere and any device but there should be a mechanism to bring this down to the device and then use the full computing power of the device including DirectX graphics, locally connected peripherals etc. This will provide extremely rich application experience similar to today’s desktop applications and games but with the advantage of roaming & any device.</p> <p>To get this right we need a new framework (ie AIR, Silverlight) and also new thinking on the architecture ie how to get data optimally using async protocols, caching of this data, updating the data/state in the cloud, providing the right level of experience based on the computing resources available on the device etc.</p> As Brian states, this is more than just offline access. Ideally data & state should reside in the cloud so that it is accessible from anywhere and any device but there should be a mechanism to bring this down to the device and then use the full computing power of the device including DirectX graphics, locally connected peripherals etc. This will provide extremely rich application experience similar to today’s desktop applications and games but with the advantage of roaming & any device.

To get this right we need a new framework (ie AIR, Silverlight) and also new thinking on the architecture ie how to get data optimally using async protocols, caching of this data, updating the data/state in the cloud, providing the right level of experience based on the computing resources available on the device etc.

]]> By: The Internet: time to leave the browser on studiowhiz.com http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-862974 The Internet: time to leave the browser on studiowhiz.com Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:07:43 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-862974 <p>[...] GigaOM and the New York Times both talk about how Adobe is gearing up to release AIR to the public. Of [...]</p> [...] GigaOM and the New York Times both talk about how Adobe is gearing up to release AIR to the public. Of [...]

]]> By: Mark http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-862967 Mark Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:17:14 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-862967 <p>An example of AIR in use...www.uvlayer.com</p> An example of AIR in use…www.uvlayer.com

]]> By: Alan Wilensky http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-862965 Alan Wilensky Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:09:42 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-862965 <p>You are all such great and venerated philosophers, "I have written", "I have spoken". !</p> <p>If a business has a line operation (CLOB - Capital Line of Business) that it may put on a hosted platform or service, as we say, the relationship between that enterprise and that SAAS account will last exactly until, and only until, a major outage.</p> <p>Therefore, chipmunks, the SAAS vendors MUST have a way to preserve data, enable off-line and alternative access, generally, keep disruption to a minimum.</p> <p>The conveniences aspect is a secondary issue.</p> You are all such great and venerated philosophers, “I have written”, “I have spoken”. !

If a business has a line operation (CLOB - Capital Line of Business) that it may put on a hosted platform or service, as we say, the relationship between that enterprise and that SAAS account will last exactly until, and only until, a major outage.

Therefore, chipmunks, the SAAS vendors MUST have a way to preserve data, enable off-line and alternative access, generally, keep disruption to a minimum.

The conveniences aspect is a secondary issue.

]]> By: The Universal Desktop mobile edition http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-862961 The Universal Desktop mobile edition Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:03:02 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-862961 <p>[...] until a final release to both create applications and download them. Now we have it. A lot of the general commentary focuses on the offline aspect of AIR, which is great, but I see the main value being a bridge [...]</p> [...] until a final release to both create applications and download them. Now we have it. A lot of the general commentary focuses on the offline aspect of AIR, which is great, but I see the main value being a bridge [...]

]]> By: AndyEd http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-862938 AndyEd Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:30:58 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-862938 <p>It's also about a really rich graphical layer on top of a web browser. The integration of WebKit into the flash layer has, perhaps, deeper implications than file & OS priveledges.</p> It’s also about a really rich graphical layer on top of a web browser. The integration of WebKit into the flash layer has, perhaps, deeper implications than file & OS priveledges.

]]> By: Brian Rinaldi http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-862932 Brian Rinaldi Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:16:50 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-862932 <p>It's not just about the offline access. It's also about extending web applications to the desktop. It's about creating a more "application"-like experience and less of a web site (which is important to non-technical users). Its about tightly controlling and thereby enhancing the users experience rather than being bound to a browser over-which you have no control. The offline capabilities are important but should not be overstated. If that were the only benefit in a world growing 100% wireless this would surely fail.</p> It’s not just about the offline access. It’s also about extending web applications to the desktop. It’s about creating a more “application”-like experience and less of a web site (which is important to non-technical users). Its about tightly controlling and thereby enhancing the users experience rather than being bound to a browser over-which you have no control. The offline capabilities are important but should not be overstated. If that were the only benefit in a world growing 100% wireless this would surely fail.

]]> By: Hank Williams http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-862927 Hank Williams Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:16:26 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-862927 <p><a href="http://whydoeseverythingsuck.com/2008/02/adobe-introduces-windows-killer.html" rel="nofollow">I just wrote about this in more detail</a>, but I think that what is really interesting here is the strategic threat that this stuff poses to microsoft. Perhaps the most important thing that microsoft has had as a strategic advantage was the fact that if you wanted to write desktop apps you needed to use windows. AIR and Flex abstract the OS layer entirely and make everything cross platform. As I see it this is a death stroke to microsoft's historically most important advantage.</p> I just wrote about this in more detail, but I think that what is really interesting here is the strategic threat that this stuff poses to microsoft. Perhaps the most important thing that microsoft has had as a strategic advantage was the fact that if you wanted to write desktop apps you needed to use windows. AIR and Flex abstract the OS layer entirely and make everything cross platform. As I see it this is a death stroke to microsoft’s historically most important advantage.

]]> By: Eddie http://gigaom.com/2008/02/25/adobe-air-launches/#comment-862922 Eddie Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:14:29 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/?p=11590#comment-862922 <p>Om,</p> <p>Didn't Adobe already officially announce AIR? Or are you saying that they are announcing it as a commercial (non-beta) product that can be installed / run / supported / paid for?</p> <p>Cheers,</p> <p>Eddie</p> <p>P.S. Insanely great software is hard work. Wouldn't be ironic if, by the time the really great hybrid apps came along, ubiquitous broadband came to fruition yielding all the hybrid efforts not so useful after all? Its kind of like a race condition.</p> Om,

Didn’t Adobe already officially announce AIR? Or are you saying that they are announcing it as a commercial (non-beta) product that can be installed / run / supported / paid for?

Cheers,

Eddie

P.S. Insanely great software is hard work. Wouldn’t be ironic if, by the time the really great hybrid apps came along, ubiquitous broadband came to fruition yielding all the hybrid efforts not so useful after all? Its kind of like a race condition.

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