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	<title>Comments on: No More Tasting: It’s a Bad Year To Be a Registrar</title>
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		<title>By: - What would you like on that $2.6M dollar pizza?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/02/16/google-apps-no-more-tasting-it%e2%80%99s-a-bad-year-to-be-a-registrar/#comment-869011</link>
		<dc:creator>- What would you like on that $2.6M dollar pizza?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Being a registrar may not be fun, but domain auctions can still be. Pizza.com is up for grabs &#8212; that is, if you can come up with $2.6 million in the next 20 hours or so. Domain appraiser Zetetic says that 98 percent of names sell for under $10,000. But 15 percent of web traffic comes from people typing what they want right into the address bar, so college staples like pizza, vodka and sex fetch top dollar. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Being a registrar may not be fun, but domain auctions can still be. Pizza.com is up for grabs &#8212; that is, if you can come up with $2.6 million in the next 20 hours or so. Domain appraiser Zetetic says that 98 percent of names sell for under $10,000. But 15 percent of web traffic comes from people typing what they want right into the address bar, so college staples like pizza, vodka and sex fetch top dollar. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: What would you like on that $2.6M dollar pizza? - GigaOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>What would you like on that $2.6M dollar pizza? - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Croll, Wednesday, April 2, 2008 at 3:15 PM PT Comments (0)   Being a registrar may not be fun, but domain auctions can still be. Pizza.com is up for grabs &#8212; that is, if you can come up [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Google Sites: More Trouble for Registrars - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/02/16/google-apps-no-more-tasting-it%e2%80%99s-a-bad-year-to-be-a-registrar/#comment-864504</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Sites: More Trouble for Registrars - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Croll, Friday, February 29, 2008 at 10:34 AM PT Comments (10)   Last week, we wrote that the registrars were under increased pressure. Their higher-margin businesses, such as turnkey hosting, were threatened by third-party hosting, [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Google Sites: More Trouble for Registrars - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/02/16/google-apps-no-more-tasting-it%e2%80%99s-a-bad-year-to-be-a-registrar/#comment-863666</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Sites: More Trouble for Registrars - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Croll, Friday, February 29, 2008 at 10:34 AM PT Comments (0)   Last week, we wrote that the registrars were under increased pressure. Their higher-margin businesses, such as turnkey hosting, were threatened by third-party hosting, [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Network Solutions has stated that they will stop their current service if Domain Tasting is ended by ICANN&#039;s fee change structure. That is an interesting statement they just recently made at ICANN in India, and has not been their position from the beginning. Also interesting is that Register.com has a similar service that seems to be more responsible in that it knows which customer requested the domain name search, and asks if they would like the domain to be placed on reserve. NSI has no knowledge of who made the search and doesn&#039;t ask, this is an important difference.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From what i have read registrars don&#039;t necessarily want to end the grace period. Many of the big guys would like to see domain tasting go away, but the 5 day grace period has proven to be useful to traditional registrars in cases of mistaken registrations, fighting fraudulent purchases, and the reservation services seen recently. An interesting proposal coming out of registries is to charge registrars for more than 10% of their deletions to net new registration ratio. Whatever happens there are many parties taking aim at domain tasting, and its sure to end soon.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My hope is that people understand UDRP disputes, fraud, trademark abuse, cybersquatting, and domain front running will not stop because domain tasting goes away.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;just for clarification. Verisign is the current REGISTRY provider for .com and .net. They have not been a registrar since selling Network Solutions a few years ago.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Network Solutions has stated that they will stop their current service if Domain Tasting is ended by ICANN&#8217;s fee change structure. That is an interesting statement they just recently made at ICANN in India, and has not been their position from the beginning. Also interesting is that Register.com has a similar service that seems to be more responsible in that it knows which customer requested the domain name search, and asks if they would like the domain to be placed on reserve. NSI has no knowledge of who made the search and doesn&#8217;t ask, this is an important difference.</p>

<p>From what i have read registrars don&#8217;t necessarily want to end the grace period. Many of the big guys would like to see domain tasting go away, but the 5 day grace period has proven to be useful to traditional registrars in cases of mistaken registrations, fighting fraudulent purchases, and the reservation services seen recently. An interesting proposal coming out of registries is to charge registrars for more than 10% of their deletions to net new registration ratio. Whatever happens there are many parties taking aim at domain tasting, and its sure to end soon.</p>

<p>My hope is that people understand UDRP disputes, fraud, trademark abuse, cybersquatting, and domain front running will not stop because domain tasting goes away.</p>

<p>just for clarification. Verisign is the current REGISTRY provider for .com and .net. They have not been a registrar since selling Network Solutions a few years ago.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alistair Croll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair Croll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Snoop,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I talked to Network Solutions about this when researching the article. I really think they meant well. Their intent was to stop a third party from swooping in and seeing the inquiry, then locking it up and extorting a lot of money from the registration. Of course, this had the side effect of meaning you could only use Network Solutions for the ensuing 4-day grace period (so on the upside, you didn&#039;t pay more than what NetSol was charging, but on the downside, you couldn&#039;t then go somewhere cheaper.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They did this because of the very large numbers of complaints that were happening when someone checked out a domain on their site, and shortly afterwards found out it had been grabbed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why do I think they meant well? First off, they were pretty up front about doing it. But more importantly, they&#039;re a proponent of the ICANN proposal to eliminate the grace period and pay the amount immediately, which will end their own practice (they were only parking the name with them for the grace period.) Their spokesperson told me they&#039;d prefer the up-front ICANN payment (which costs them more money) to the current practice of locking it in (where they just ensure that if registered, it&#039;s done through them.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Frankly, the margins on domain registration are so slim -- often sold at a loss -- that these companies are focused on premium domains, hosting, and other higher-margin businesses these days.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snoop,</p>

<p>I talked to Network Solutions about this when researching the article. I really think they meant well. Their intent was to stop a third party from swooping in and seeing the inquiry, then locking it up and extorting a lot of money from the registration. Of course, this had the side effect of meaning you could only use Network Solutions for the ensuing 4-day grace period (so on the upside, you didn&#8217;t pay more than what NetSol was charging, but on the downside, you couldn&#8217;t then go somewhere cheaper.)</p>

<p>They did this because of the very large numbers of complaints that were happening when someone checked out a domain on their site, and shortly afterwards found out it had been grabbed.</p>

<p>Why do I think they meant well? First off, they were pretty up front about doing it. But more importantly, they&#8217;re a proponent of the ICANN proposal to eliminate the grace period and pay the amount immediately, which will end their own practice (they were only parking the name with them for the grace period.) Their spokesperson told me they&#8217;d prefer the up-front ICANN payment (which costs them more money) to the current practice of locking it in (where they just ensure that if registered, it&#8217;s done through them.)</p>

<p>Frankly, the margins on domain registration are so slim &#8212; often sold at a loss &#8212; that these companies are focused on premium domains, hosting, and other higher-margin businesses these days.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Snoop</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/02/16/google-apps-no-more-tasting-it%e2%80%99s-a-bad-year-to-be-a-registrar/#comment-861924</link>
		<dc:creator>Snoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whatever you do, don&#039;t look up a name on Network Solutions, because as soon as you do, they register it behind your back and FORCE YOU to buy it from them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;An example: I looked up a domain on DomainDirect.com. I then went to NetworkSolutions.com and looked up the domain also to I could compare additional features with the domain (hosting, DNS management, etc.). I liked DomainDirect&#039;s features better, so I went to register on DomainDirect, and lo and behold, NETWORK SOLUTIONS REGISTERED MY DOMAIN NAME AS SOON AS I LOOKED IT UP ON THEIR WEBSITE. DomainDirect then reported that the domain name had been registered. I did a WhoIs search, and the registered owner was Network Solutions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Try it yourself!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I really wanted to register the domain before someone else did, and now I was forced to register with NetSol, paying about 3x as much.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Google &quot;boycott Network Solutions&quot; and you&#039;ll find many other people taken by this immoral tactic.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Internet community unite and boycott Network Solutions. 
ICANN - respond to this bad behavior and fix this loophole.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s a good article discussing this: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/network-solutions-using-questionable-tactic-to-sell-more-domain-names/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever you do, don&#8217;t look up a name on Network Solutions, because as soon as you do, they register it behind your back and FORCE YOU to buy it from them.</p>

<p>An example: I looked up a domain on DomainDirect.com. I then went to NetworkSolutions.com and looked up the domain also to I could compare additional features with the domain (hosting, DNS management, etc.). I liked DomainDirect&#8217;s features better, so I went to register on DomainDirect, and lo and behold, NETWORK SOLUTIONS REGISTERED MY DOMAIN NAME AS SOON AS I LOOKED IT UP ON THEIR WEBSITE. DomainDirect then reported that the domain name had been registered. I did a WhoIs search, and the registered owner was Network Solutions.</p>

<p>Try it yourself!</p>

<p>I really wanted to register the domain before someone else did, and now I was forced to register with NetSol, paying about 3x as much.</p>

<p>Google &#8220;boycott Network Solutions&#8221; and you&#8217;ll find many other people taken by this immoral tactic.</p>

<p>Internet community unite and boycott Network Solutions. 
ICANN &#8211; respond to this bad behavior and fix this loophole.</p>

<p>Here&#8217;s a good article discussing this: <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/network-solutions-using-questionable-tactic-to-sell-more-domain-names/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/network-solutions-using-questionable-tactic-to-sell-more-domain-names/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: k</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/02/16/google-apps-no-more-tasting-it%e2%80%99s-a-bad-year-to-be-a-registrar/#comment-861908</link>
		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Awesome amount of information Mr. Malik.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yeah, seems like 2008 is going to be a bad year for everyone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-k (previously hobnobLover).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome amount of information Mr. Malik.</p>

<p>Yeah, seems like 2008 is going to be a bad year for everyone.</p>

<p>-k (previously hobnobLover).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Links: 2008-02-17 Keays v. Honda, Luke Arm, CBC, Olympics athlete blogs, Internet domain tasting &#171; ideas Revolutionary</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/02/16/google-apps-no-more-tasting-it%e2%80%99s-a-bad-year-to-be-a-registrar/#comment-861864</link>
		<dc:creator>Links: 2008-02-17 Keays v. Honda, Luke Arm, CBC, Olympics athlete blogs, Internet domain tasting &#171; ideas Revolutionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] No More Tasting: It’s a Bad Year To Be a Internet Domain Name Registrar [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Jen Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I never knew thats what thier margin was.  I buy all my domains from godaddy and I always find coupons for like $5.00 for a .com  So if those are true they are loosing money.  Because I always find a coupoun to renew it for the same price.
I hope that doesnt change for me.
Thanks for the info&lt;/p&gt;
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I hope that doesnt change for me.
Thanks for the info</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: max-x</title>
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		<dc:creator>max-x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yeah the price really keeps getting jacked up. It is making it difficult to keep many websites.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah the price really keeps getting jacked up. It is making it difficult to keep many websites.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ben Cooper&#8217;s Weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Chat with Ben and Pete - Episode 17</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Cooper&#8217;s Weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Chat with Ben and Pete - Episode 17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] No More Tasting: It&#8217;s a Bad Year To Be a Registrar  [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: martial artist</title>
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		<dc:creator>martial artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yeah the price really keeps getting jacked up.  It is making it difficult to keep many websites.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Alistair Croll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair Croll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the clarification. I saw estimates of ICANN pricing rising to $0.75 in some places. And yes, it&#039;s a tiny margin business compared to the rest of the revenue sources they offer. Most of the market analysts use their gross margins, not revenues, to compare companies.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification. I saw estimates of ICANN pricing rising to $0.75 in some places. And yes, it&#8217;s a tiny margin business compared to the rest of the revenue sources they offer. Most of the market analysts use their gross margins, not revenues, to compare companies.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your wholesale pricing numbers are a little off.  VeriSign increased its wholesale price for .coms to $6.42 last year, and then ICANN has a $.20 fee on top of that.  But the point is that the margins are small; most registrars depend on &#039;value added services&#039; to make money.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your wholesale pricing numbers are a little off.  VeriSign increased its wholesale price for .coms to $6.42 last year, and then ICANN has a $.20 fee on top of that.  But the point is that the margins are small; most registrars depend on &#8216;value added services&#8217; to make money.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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