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	<title>Comments on: 5 Who Won&#8217;t Appreciate Google Android</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/01/12/5-who-wont-appreciate-google-android/#comment-867930</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looks like you can take Verizon customers off the list, Verizon said it will now support google's android.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Playsmob</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/01/12/5-who-wont-appreciate-google-android/#comment-862928</link>
		<dc:creator>Playsmob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can we install Android on any cell phone?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Jim Green</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/01/12/5-who-wont-appreciate-google-android/#comment-858398</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am not a big fan of Android but I do see how it could be a success.  It has a lot to do with what Google puts on this platform (their apps) and how agressive they get with the money angle (monetize).  If they lay back on the $, but produce good apps I think it has a chance.  I am a fan of platforms that have open components but a solid base, the iPhone and its forthcoming &lt;a href="http://personafile.com/iPhone-apps.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;applications&lt;/a&gt; represent this perfect blend for me.  Apple provides the solid base that every use can count on, then gives developers options in a limited way.  It think this works.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a big fan of Android but I do see how it could be a success.  It has a lot to do with what Google puts on this platform (their apps) and how agressive they get with the money angle (monetize).  If they lay back on the $, but produce good apps I think it has a chance.  I am a fan of platforms that have open components but a solid base, the iPhone and its forthcoming <a href="http://personafile.com/iPhone-apps.html" rel="nofollow">applications</a> represent this perfect blend for me.  Apple provides the solid base that every use can count on, then gives developers options in a limited way.  It think this works.</p>
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		<title>By: YA @ Sadko Mobile &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Business dimension of Android</title>
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		<dc:creator>YA @ Sadko Mobile &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Business dimension of Android</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] - and an even more insightful remark in the comments from Alan Wilensky:  Boy, did you swing and miss at the fat part of the potential Android adoption curve: Dedicated dat... [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] - and an even more insightful remark in the comments from Alan Wilensky:  Boy, did you swing and miss at the fat part of the potential Android adoption curve: Dedicated dat&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Kopelman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/01/12/5-who-wont-appreciate-google-android/#comment-851983</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Kopelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Shai&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, but the point is that Android is &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; about smart phones. There is no raison d'etre for a new OS for voice-only phones, which are already fully commoditized. Voice only phones are going to be the typewriter of this century -- once ubiquitous, then relegated to a quaint curiosity by a new paradigm. When discussing Android, we &lt;em&gt;must&lt;/em&gt; couch things in terms of smart phones and smart phone users.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Yes, but the point is that Android is <em>only</em> about smart phones. There is no raison d&#8217;etre for a new OS for voice-only phones, which are already fully commoditized. Voice only phones are going to be the typewriter of this century &#8212; once ubiquitous, then relegated to a quaint curiosity by a new paradigm. When discussing Android, we <em>must</em> couch things in terms of smart phones and smart phone users.</p>
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		<title>By: Shai Berger</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/01/12/5-who-wont-appreciate-google-android/#comment-851873</link>
		<dc:creator>Shai Berger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Jesse: Yes, you're right about smart phone users. But smart phones are still a small (but growing) fraction of overall handsets.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jesse: Yes, you&#8217;re right about smart phone users. But smart phones are still a small (but growing) fraction of overall handsets.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitrios Matsoulis</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/01/12/5-who-wont-appreciate-google-android/#comment-851076</link>
		<dc:creator>Dimitrios Matsoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;WiMax plus open source for mobiles will be a formidable combination. One point I think is very important is that as things develop in mobile hardware, it will be soon possible to not rely on the Verizons and Vodafones of this world. The integration of WiFi is awesome and here with us already. You can text, or surf web pages without even a subscription. This I think is the largest fear of current mobile networks. We slowly move towards mobile devices that will do stuff at the same cost as current PCs, in other words free or almost free.
http://electronrun.wordpress.com/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WiMax plus open source for mobiles will be a formidable combination. One point I think is very important is that as things develop in mobile hardware, it will be soon possible to not rely on the Verizons and Vodafones of this world. The integration of WiFi is awesome and here with us already. You can text, or surf web pages without even a subscription. This I think is the largest fear of current mobile networks. We slowly move towards mobile devices that will do stuff at the same cost as current PCs, in other words free or almost free.<br />
 (<a href="http://electronrun.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">link</a>) </p>
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		<title>By: 14 de enero de 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>14 de enero de 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Los 5 que no apreciarán a Google Android [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: rb</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/01/12/5-who-wont-appreciate-google-android/#comment-850189</link>
		<dc:creator>rb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are several open source examples that disprove this article.  My mother-in-law is a technophobe, yet she uses Firefox without a problem.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While it is true that initial use of Android will be among early adopters, eventually those adopters will flesh out the mobile OS enough to make it reliable -- like they have with Firefox.  And soon those alpha geeks will be slipping Android on to their friends and families phones and become their 'IT'.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Guest Columnist, you write well, but, unfortunately, you are wrong and you'll be proven wrong.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several open source examples that disprove this article.  My mother-in-law is a technophobe, yet she uses Firefox without a problem.</p>
<p>While it is true that initial use of Android will be among early adopters, eventually those adopters will flesh out the mobile OS enough to make it reliable &#8212; like they have with Firefox.  And soon those alpha geeks will be slipping Android on to their friends and families phones and become their &#8216;IT&#8217;.</p>
<p>Guest Columnist, you write well, but, unfortunately, you are wrong and you&#8217;ll be proven wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Kopelman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/01/12/5-who-wont-appreciate-google-android/#comment-849835</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Kopelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Shai Berger&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think you are way off with your "Most consumers have never installed anything on their phones." Obviously, this is true for voice-centric handsets, but it is not true for smart phones. A very large percentage of users (maybe even the majority) of Symbian, Blackberry, Palm OS, and Windows Mobile smart phones install apps and modify the OS. Look to sites like HowardForums  for an idea of what is going on here. Android is not about voice-centric handsets, it is about smart phones.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I think you are way off with your &#8220;Most consumers have never installed anything on their phones.&#8221; Obviously, this is true for voice-centric handsets, but it is not true for smart phones. A very large percentage of users (maybe even the majority) of Symbian, Blackberry, Palm OS, and Windows Mobile smart phones install apps and modify the OS. Look to sites like HowardForums  for an idea of what is going on here. Android is not about voice-centric handsets, it is about smart phones.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;li&gt;Hooray!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Evelove or die&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;That will be fixed in March of this year ( HTC, OpenMoko, etc )&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The people who call with that issue are SOL&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;"Everybody"? The tens of millions of people who use their phone ONLY to make and receive voice calls will not be affected by mobile web apps, they could care less. But eveyuone will benefit from the lower prices that Android forces on the market. The carrier's will have to either pass along the savings from Android's zero cost or think of some new lie to justify not lowering their handsets even though they aren't paying for OS licenses.&lt;/li&gt;
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<li>Hooray!</li>
<li>Evelove or die</li>
<li>That will be fixed in March of this year ( HTC, OpenMoko, etc )</li>
<li>The people who call with that issue are SOL</li>
<li>&#8220;Everybody&#8221;? The tens of millions of people who use their phone ONLY to make and receive voice calls will not be affected by mobile web apps, they could care less. But eveyuone will benefit from the lower prices that Android forces on the market. The carrier&#8217;s will have to either pass along the savings from Android&#8217;s zero cost or think of some new lie to justify not lowering their handsets even though they aren&#8217;t paying for OS licenses.</li>
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		<title>By: Shai Berger</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2008/01/12/5-who-wont-appreciate-google-android/#comment-848302</link>
		<dc:creator>Shai Berger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post Thomas. I'm not bullish on Android for all the reasons you mentioned. And in particular the lack of pairing with hardware, a la iPhone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Adopting new hardware or software is a &lt;em&gt;major&lt;/em&gt; effort for a carrier. In the case of iPhone, AT&#38;T took a gamble and saw it pay off: They tripled the amount of data transfer sold in major cities. And increased their subscriber base (40% of iPhone buyers were new to AT&#38;T). But can Android create similar desire from consumers? 
(More: http://www.shaiberger.com/?p=52)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Markus said: "Using Linux on my Thinkpad I always refer to Google, Wikies, forums ... whenever I have a software problem, and I never to IBM who built the device... [like Linux] ... the installation needs just some clicks and is based on standard libraries."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Most consumers have never installed anything on their phones, and are very unlikely to do so in the future. The kind of people interested in troubleshooting their phone's problems via Google forums is a very tiny sliver.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;SeanC said: "If Android is well built, the compatibility issue will not be as severe as described. Most software for windows works fine, whether on a dell, hp, gateway, or homebuilt."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It took a long long time for software to run smoothly across all PCs. And that process took place in an environment where there was a powerful and dominant developer for the OS (Microsoft), near total domination of the platform, and a close alliance with hardware makers (who had no other alternatives). Today's mobile environment has none of that. All the members of the OHA are hedging their bets with other OS's.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For Microsoft, Windows was the core focus of the company. How many billions of dollars did they spend to get Windows from v1.0 to, say, Windows 2000 (which I consider the first time it was really mature as an OS). Where does Android fit among Google's priorities? Do they have the will to dedicate that kind of time and money over the next decade?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OK, you say... count on the bazaar and not the cathedral... open source will duplicate all that effort without the need for massive investment from a single company. Well, look at the penetration of Linux at the desktop for a reality check.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And another reality check... ask a Blackberry user what kind of features will make them give up their device? You will probably get a blank stare.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Thomas. I&#8217;m not bullish on Android for all the reasons you mentioned. And in particular the lack of pairing with hardware, a la iPhone.</p>
<p>Adopting new hardware or software is a <em>major</em> effort for a carrier. In the case of iPhone, AT&amp;T took a gamble and saw it pay off: They tripled the amount of data transfer sold in major cities. And increased their subscriber base (40% of iPhone buyers were new to AT&amp;T). But can Android create similar desire from consumers?<br />
(More:  (<a href="http://www.shaiberger.com/?p=52" rel="nofollow">link</a>) )</p>
<p>Markus said: &#8220;Using Linux on my Thinkpad I always refer to Google, Wikies, forums &#8230; whenever I have a software problem, and I never to IBM who built the device&#8230; [like Linux] &#8230; the installation needs just some clicks and is based on standard libraries.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most consumers have never installed anything on their phones, and are very unlikely to do so in the future. The kind of people interested in troubleshooting their phone&#8217;s problems via Google forums is a very tiny sliver.</p>
<p>SeanC said: &#8220;If Android is well built, the compatibility issue will not be as severe as described. Most software for windows works fine, whether on a dell, hp, gateway, or homebuilt.&#8221;</p>
<p>It took a long long time for software to run smoothly across all PCs. And that process took place in an environment where there was a powerful and dominant developer for the OS (Microsoft), near total domination of the platform, and a close alliance with hardware makers (who had no other alternatives). Today&#8217;s mobile environment has none of that. All the members of the OHA are hedging their bets with other OS&#8217;s.</p>
<p>For Microsoft, Windows was the core focus of the company. How many billions of dollars did they spend to get Windows from v1.0 to, say, Windows 2000 (which I consider the first time it was really mature as an OS). Where does Android fit among Google&#8217;s priorities? Do they have the will to dedicate that kind of time and money over the next decade?</p>
<p>OK, you say&#8230; count on the bazaar and not the cathedral&#8230; open source will duplicate all that effort without the need for massive investment from a single company. Well, look at the penetration of Linux at the desktop for a reality check.</p>
<p>And another reality check&#8230; ask a Blackberry user what kind of features will make them give up their device? You will probably get a blank stare.</p>
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		<title>By: Sujoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sujoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The hyperlink to Open Handset Alliance’s in the first para has a typo and redirects to tp://www.openhandsetalliance.com/ .&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The keypoint here is spreading the entire campaign of the Android Mobile platform/OS. More than being an Opensource project, it should be reliable enough, and make mobiles smarter, more enabled to be utilized/ multi-tasked and reach the end customer with the minimum glitches or bugs. How can all that be possibly done is what Google and the entire Android community needs to answer.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hyperlink to Open Handset Alliance’s in the first para has a typo and redirects to tp://www.openhandsetalliance.com/ .</p>
<p>The keypoint here is spreading the entire campaign of the Android Mobile platform/OS. More than being an Opensource project, it should be reliable enough, and make mobiles smarter, more enabled to be utilized/ multi-tasked and reach the end customer with the minimum glitches or bugs. How can all that be possibly done is what Google and the entire Android community needs to answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Yarmosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Yarmosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 makes many of these other observations moot points right now.
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		<title>By: Markus Göbel's Tech News Comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus Göbel's Tech News Comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ralphg:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are also other people who nearly don't make mobile phone calls anymore but use their cell phone the entire day as a small computer with internet access.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It actually feels great if you have the right device.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>There are also other people who nearly don&#8217;t make mobile phone calls anymore but use their cell phone the entire day as a small computer with internet access.</p>
<p>It actually feels great if you have the right device.</p>
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		<title>By: Sri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Regarding point 2, Qualcomm will not be worried as it is part of Android development.&lt;/p&gt;
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