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	<title>Comments on: Just How Crazy is Overstock&#8217;s Patrick Byrne?</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Rad</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/11/just-how-crazy-is-overstocks-patrick-byrne/#comment-769150</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Rad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Prestowitz wrote a book about this problem in 2005 called 3 Billion New Capitalists.  The BBC and the European press headline our economic crisis in America all the time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fact that the Administration, Congress and Business Leaders do not acknowledge the pending crisis bothers me. Mainly, these groups of people are too busy grabbing as much gold as they can while at the same moment screwing over the American people even more.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prestowitz wrote a book about this problem in 2005 called 3 Billion New Capitalists.  The BBC and the European press headline our economic crisis in America all the time.</p>
<p>The fact that the Administration, Congress and Business Leaders do not acknowledge the pending crisis bothers me. Mainly, these groups of people are too busy grabbing as much gold as they can while at the same moment screwing over the American people even more.</p>
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		<title>By: Hendley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hendley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just how crazy is mhelburn?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Acting dumb as a rock in her post above. Mary Helburn is the lead Plantif against Gradiant/Rocker in Overstocks Law suit.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just how crazy is mhelburn?</p>
<p>Acting dumb as a rock in her post above. Mary Helburn is the lead Plantif against Gradiant/Rocker in Overstocks Law suit.</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan Henry</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/11/just-how-crazy-is-overstocks-patrick-byrne/#comment-768174</link>
		<dc:creator>Aidan Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love his attitude and honesty. It's very rare to find a CEO like that nowadays, but it's very refreshing. He kinda reminds me of Mark Cuban in some ways...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My only concern is how shareholders and board members react to his comments and actions. After all, he has a fiduciary duty to the company, and his words don't seem to be helping the cause.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheers,
Aidan
www.MappingTheWeb.com&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love his attitude and honesty. It&#8217;s very rare to find a CEO like that nowadays, but it&#8217;s very refreshing. He kinda reminds me of Mark Cuban in some ways&#8230;</p>
<p>My only concern is how shareholders and board members react to his comments and actions. After all, he has a fiduciary duty to the company, and his words don&#8217;t seem to be helping the cause.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Aidan<br />
 (<a href="http://www.MappingTheWeb.com" rel="nofollow">link</a>) </p>
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		<title>By: mhelburn</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/11/just-how-crazy-is-overstocks-patrick-byrne/#comment-767361</link>
		<dc:creator>mhelburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On Nov. 1, I contacted OSTK attorney and asked if they knew how many fails to deliver there were in OSTK.   Fails are phantom or counterfeited shares.   OSTK requested data from January thru May on August 23 and was received by the SEC on August 30.  The response was dated Sept 19.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;.."we are consulting with other commisssion staff regarding information that may be responsive to your request.  We will advise you of our findings as well as the actual cost of review the records as soon as we receive a response."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As of last week, they still had no 2007 data.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can't get current data on fails as the SEC has arbitrarily set a 60 day window of hiding the data so that it doesn't reveal anyone's trading strategy..   Mind you, failing to deliver as a trading strategy is illegal and the fail data is aggregate, not broken out.  This policy certainly doesn't protect the investor and is cumbersome, and this example typifies the responsiveness of the SEC.   First they denied there was a problem with fails, they instituted Reg SHO and had to insert the grandfather provision to keep the illegal positions from having to be bought in and causing "volatility".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;After the Senate investigated the SEC, 4 of the top 7 officials at the SEC resigned.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I saw Patrick on TV and the part that I heard was that they were getting calls from suppliers to sell merchandise because other stores were not doing reorders.   The markdowns this year started early and have continued.   If OSTK is doing discounts, it is no different than every other retailer.  The difference is that OSTK gets the merchandise at a discount and this year they are getting current merchandise that is still in other stores.  There is a fear in retail that the consumer is cutting back and if OSTK is discounting and giving incentives, they are not alone.   Profits for retailers will be down because of energy and health care prices.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wrote Patrick several years ago.   He had one of his associates contact me with a courtesy call to thank me for my letter.   I've since listened to his presentations on the market and particularly enjoyed www.deepcapturethemovie.com and his recent NPR interview.  He has put a lot of effort into his presentations and they are worth the time to listen.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nobody likes the predictions of a market crash or recession, unless they have a short position.   If you understand that we are positioned as we were before the crash of the last century, with the same entities in place, just with different names and our regulators are not protecting investors or the market, you can understand why Patrick is concerned about the economy.  If people understood that their brokers are taking money and giving them counterfeit shares, selling them silver and charging storage for it without ever buying it for them, and that the regulators are pitifully under-manned and in come cases captured, the "house of cards" would collapse.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here is an example of how we all get screwed with policies that create boondoggles for some and shortages (higher prices) for others.  And the true economies are not addressed because it isn't convenient.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Biofuels... big item in Iowa.  A complete boondoggle as corn ethanol is expensive to produce, is corrosive to fuel lines, has an 85% efficiency, corn has to be rotated or it detroys the soil, and the increase in the production of corn for fuel has a direct impact on the production of other grains and the consumers around the world are already paying more for other grain products.   Will any of the candidates address the trade-offs we have to make for corn ethanol... not until the Iowa primaries are over.  We see special interests controling energy policy and gutless or ignorant leaders who play the game to get the vote.  We aren't hearing anything about this now.. but look at the market... Monsanto is hitting new highs today.  Will we be forced to use corn ethanol? Will we have fuel line problems from corrosion?   With 85% efficency, you get lower gas mileage, bread and pasta cost more because there will be a shortage... Think green... It is all promoted as environmental.. hardly when you add in all the other costs..and ethanol can't be shipped in standard pipelines because of the corrosion, so it has to be trucked.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Policy, enforcement.. all controled by special interest and some of the decision makers are either bamboozled or bought to promote public policy that isn't beneficial for the greatest good, but is profitable for the special interests who have the lobbyists, and the populace gets screwed.   And it is almost sacrilege to talk against farmers because they are perceived as the ones who will benefit, but this is fallacy.. It is the huge farm corporations who are buying the politicians.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is no different than the rules that screw the ordinary investor to benefit Wall Street.  Take from the many to benefit the few.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Nov. 1, I contacted OSTK attorney and asked if they knew how many fails to deliver there were in OSTK.   Fails are phantom or counterfeited shares.   OSTK requested data from January thru May on August 23 and was received by the SEC on August 30.  The response was dated Sept 19.</p>
<p>..&#8221;we are consulting with other commisssion staff regarding information that may be responsive to your request.  We will advise you of our findings as well as the actual cost of review the records as soon as we receive a response.&#8221;</p>
<p>As of last week, they still had no 2007 data.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t get current data on fails as the SEC has arbitrarily set a 60 day window of hiding the data so that it doesn&#8217;t reveal anyone&#8217;s trading strategy..   Mind you, failing to deliver as a trading strategy is illegal and the fail data is aggregate, not broken out.  This policy certainly doesn&#8217;t protect the investor and is cumbersome, and this example typifies the responsiveness of the SEC.   First they denied there was a problem with fails, they instituted Reg SHO and had to insert the grandfather provision to keep the illegal positions from having to be bought in and causing &#8220;volatility&#8221;.</p>
<p>After the Senate investigated the SEC, 4 of the top 7 officials at the SEC resigned.</p>
<p>I saw Patrick on TV and the part that I heard was that they were getting calls from suppliers to sell merchandise because other stores were not doing reorders.   The markdowns this year started early and have continued.   If OSTK is doing discounts, it is no different than every other retailer.  The difference is that OSTK gets the merchandise at a discount and this year they are getting current merchandise that is still in other stores.  There is a fear in retail that the consumer is cutting back and if OSTK is discounting and giving incentives, they are not alone.   Profits for retailers will be down because of energy and health care prices.</p>
<p>I wrote Patrick several years ago.   He had one of his associates contact me with a courtesy call to thank me for my letter.   I&#8217;ve since listened to his presentations on the market and particularly enjoyed  (<a href="http://www.deepcapturethemovie.com" rel="nofollow">link</a>)  and his recent NPR interview.  He has put a lot of effort into his presentations and they are worth the time to listen.</p>
<p>Nobody likes the predictions of a market crash or recession, unless they have a short position.   If you understand that we are positioned as we were before the crash of the last century, with the same entities in place, just with different names and our regulators are not protecting investors or the market, you can understand why Patrick is concerned about the economy.  If people understood that their brokers are taking money and giving them counterfeit shares, selling them silver and charging storage for it without ever buying it for them, and that the regulators are pitifully under-manned and in come cases captured, the &#8220;house of cards&#8221; would collapse.</p>
<p>Here is an example of how we all get screwed with policies that create boondoggles for some and shortages (higher prices) for others.  And the true economies are not addressed because it isn&#8217;t convenient.</p>
<p>Biofuels&#8230; big item in Iowa.  A complete boondoggle as corn ethanol is expensive to produce, is corrosive to fuel lines, has an 85% efficiency, corn has to be rotated or it detroys the soil, and the increase in the production of corn for fuel has a direct impact on the production of other grains and the consumers around the world are already paying more for other grain products.   Will any of the candidates address the trade-offs we have to make for corn ethanol&#8230; not until the Iowa primaries are over.  We see special interests controling energy policy and gutless or ignorant leaders who play the game to get the vote.  We aren&#8217;t hearing anything about this now.. but look at the market&#8230; Monsanto is hitting new highs today.  Will we be forced to use corn ethanol? Will we have fuel line problems from corrosion?   With 85% efficency, you get lower gas mileage, bread and pasta cost more because there will be a shortage&#8230; Think green&#8230; It is all promoted as environmental.. hardly when you add in all the other costs..and ethanol can&#8217;t be shipped in standard pipelines because of the corrosion, so it has to be trucked.</p>
<p>Policy, enforcement.. all controled by special interest and some of the decision makers are either bamboozled or bought to promote public policy that isn&#8217;t beneficial for the greatest good, but is profitable for the special interests who have the lobbyists, and the populace gets screwed.   And it is almost sacrilege to talk against farmers because they are perceived as the ones who will benefit, but this is fallacy.. It is the huge farm corporations who are buying the politicians.</p>
<p>This is no different than the rules that screw the ordinary investor to benefit Wall Street.  Take from the many to benefit the few.</p>
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		<title>By: rtway1</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/11/just-how-crazy-is-overstocks-patrick-byrne/#comment-766856</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am just curious to know how many stories you have written about Jim Cramer and his T.V. appearance where he explains how to game the market using RIMM as an example and how he uses the media to spread stories. Or how many stories about two senators on the senate floor appealing to m Mr. Cox to clean up all the FTD's that are two years old. Or how many stories about those who are in jail who admitted to naked short selling. Or could you explain why Mr. Cox the head of the SEC agrees with Patrick Byrne that naked short selling does exist saily as well as his pedecessors. Why not tell the stories of the failed pensions and the risk if Mr. Byrne and many others are right. Be a journalist and give all the stories not your chosen ones.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just curious to know how many stories you have written about Jim Cramer and his T.V. appearance where he explains how to game the market using RIMM as an example and how he uses the media to spread stories. Or how many stories about two senators on the senate floor appealing to m Mr. Cox to clean up all the FTD&#8217;s that are two years old. Or how many stories about those who are in jail who admitted to naked short selling. Or could you explain why Mr. Cox the head of the SEC agrees with Patrick Byrne that naked short selling does exist saily as well as his pedecessors. Why not tell the stories of the failed pensions and the risk if Mr. Byrne and many others are right. Be a journalist and give all the stories not your chosen ones.</p>
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		<title>By: VentureBeat &#187; Roundup: &#8220;Bubble video&#8221; taken down, but singer gets $3M, Bahu, RivalMap, more</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/11/just-how-crazy-is-overstocks-patrick-byrne/#comment-766716</link>
		<dc:creator>VentureBeat &#187; Roundup: &#8220;Bubble video&#8221; taken down, but singer gets $3M, Bahu, RivalMap, more</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Worst case scenario: The next Great Depression &#8212; A diseased housing market and a weak dollar have economists and Federal officials chewing their fingernails, as evidenced by the latest quarter-point rate drop in interest rates, designed to stimulate the economy by making borrowing cheaper (thus encouraging spending). Predictions of recession are also on the rise, but just how bad could it get? If you&#8217;re prone to worrying, don&#8217;t ask Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne, who thinks we might be on our way back to the Great Depression. Better drop the Web 2.0 stocks and start investing in those canned food startups, if he&#8217;s right. More on his ideas from GigaOm. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Worst case scenario: The next Great Depression &#8212; A diseased housing market and a weak dollar have economists and Federal officials chewing their fingernails, as evidenced by the latest quarter-point rate drop in interest rates, designed to stimulate the economy by making borrowing cheaper (thus encouraging spending). Predictions of recession are also on the rise, but just how bad could it get? If you&#8217;re prone to worrying, don&#8217;t ask Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne, who thinks we might be on our way back to the Great Depression. Better drop the Web 2.0 stocks and start investing in those canned food startups, if he&#8217;s right. More on his ideas from GigaOm. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lenofus</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/11/just-how-crazy-is-overstocks-patrick-byrne/#comment-766671</link>
		<dc:creator>lenofus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On Dec 5, 2006, Gary Aguirre appeared before the Senate Judiciary committee.  Arlen Specter accussed senior SEC officials of perjury.  Wonder why it's so hard to trace?  Do some  research.  It's all over the place.  Try 'Deepcapturethemovie.com".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Secondly. why should companies jump through hoops to survive?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Third.  REGSHO.COM.  How many days has OSTK had FTD's?  660 or so.  NO conspiracy.  Yeah, this just fell though the cracks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Counterparties?  I have emails from at least five firms concerning one stock, where there were, at each of these firms, at least 500,000 of this particular entity.  This was four or five years ago.  Question? Where is the money?  Customers paid for the goods.  Where did the money go????  Wake up.  I was on Wall St. for a long, long time.  Wake up, before your ass is in the street.  And when it's there, don't expect anybody to care, except Patrick Bryne.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Dec 5, 2006, Gary Aguirre appeared before the Senate Judiciary committee.  Arlen Specter accussed senior SEC officials of perjury.  Wonder why it&#8217;s so hard to trace?  Do some  research.  It&#8217;s all over the place.  Try &#8216;Deepcapturethemovie.com&#8221;.</p>
<p>Secondly. why should companies jump through hoops to survive?</p>
<p>Third.  REGSHO.COM.  How many days has OSTK had FTD&#8217;s?  660 or so.  NO conspiracy.  Yeah, this just fell though the cracks.</p>
<p>Counterparties?  I have emails from at least five firms concerning one stock, where there were, at each of these firms, at least 500,000 of this particular entity.  This was four or five years ago.  Question? Where is the money?  Customers paid for the goods.  Where did the money go????  Wake up.  I was on Wall St. for a long, long time.  Wake up, before your ass is in the street.  And when it&#8217;s there, don&#8217;t expect anybody to care, except Patrick Bryne.</p>
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		<title>By: sc</title>
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		<dc:creator>sc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;in my prev. comment... I meant short-selling, not &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_short_selling" rel="nofollow"&gt;naked short-selling&lt;/a&gt; - abuse of which is illegal. Can this not be easily traced?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in my prev. comment&#8230; I meant short-selling, not <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_short_selling" rel="nofollow">naked short-selling</a> - abuse of which is illegal. Can this not be easily traced?</p>
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		<title>By: sc</title>
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		<dc:creator>sc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;lenofus:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wall St. is not a single entity - it is many individuals/institutions - each looking for their own best interests. So if one group was indulging in speculative naked short-selling, other individuals/institutions who know better would be the counter-party in the transaction.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, there are many things that the company can do - like announcing buybacks through debt financing - that is, if the cash flows can support it.  Your conspiracy theory doesn't hold much water.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Besides, CDO's and SIV's are rather irrelevant to this conversation.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Wall St. is not a single entity - it is many individuals/institutions - each looking for their own best interests. So if one group was indulging in speculative naked short-selling, other individuals/institutions who know better would be the counter-party in the transaction.</p>
<p>Also, there are many things that the company can do - like announcing buybacks through debt financing - that is, if the cash flows can support it.  Your conspiracy theory doesn&#8217;t hold much water.</p>
<p>Besides, CDO&#8217;s and SIV&#8217;s are rather irrelevant to this conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Devildog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devildog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So his company benefits from a bad economy,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;"In bad times is when, suddenly, everybody is calling us to unload product."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and he's a hero because he's claiming the economy is in trouble?  No, he's doing what any other cut-throat CEO does, say and do whatever it takes to make money.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Say something often enough and it becomes true. Repetition is the key.  Get enough people to repeat things, whether or not they're true and other pick up on it and so on and so on.  It's an old trick and they're hoping it will work for selfish reasons.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So his company benefits from a bad economy,</p>
<p>&#8220;In bad times is when, suddenly, everybody is calling us to unload product.&#8221;</p>
<p>and he&#8217;s a hero because he&#8217;s claiming the economy is in trouble?  No, he&#8217;s doing what any other cut-throat CEO does, say and do whatever it takes to make money.</p>
<p>Say something often enough and it becomes true. Repetition is the key.  Get enough people to repeat things, whether or not they&#8217;re true and other pick up on it and so on and so on.  It&#8217;s an old trick and they&#8217;re hoping it will work for selfish reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Weixi Yen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weixi Yen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&#38;grid=A1YourView&#38;xml=/money/2007/12/11/cnusa111.xml&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: lenofus</title>
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		<dc:creator>lenofus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I've known Patrick for a couple of years.  He joined my party, I did not join him.  He's right.  I've watched naked shorting right to the point of having Exchange Specialists tell me about floor traders killing them, and having the exchange cover it up.  He's not crazy.  He's honest - and to a fault.  We finally have a leader, someone selfless who is willing to take the underdog side when it would be so easy to sit back and peel a grape, and we want to kill him.  Wake up.  Is there anybody out there that thinks Wall St. is on our side.  They believe they can continue to take the system to the brink and the Government (us) will continually bail them out. Many Wall Str's laugh.  they say "We're too big to fail".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Where are the leaders?I have to turn on the tv and see what Warren Buffett had for breakfast.  He knows about this.  Why is he quiet?  Could it be all that money he has in GS???  Come on.  Wake up.  Help the man, before we're all in the Street (sic).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here's my challenge.  Point to anything about SIV's, CDO's, Subprime.....who did it, and what are the consequences?  I can tell you exactly what happened.  Wall Street packaged this crap and loaded it up with "credits".  That's what bond guys call commissions - "credits".  The managers got special incentives, and layed on the sales forces.  This stuff is in every pension fund, state pool, throughout the entire country.  BAC had to shut a 14bb money market.  And the worst hasn't even begun.  Now, we're going om make them cover the billions and billions in stocks they sold us, but never gave us the stock.  so you tell me.  How crazy is he????&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve known Patrick for a couple of years.  He joined my party, I did not join him.  He&#8217;s right.  I&#8217;ve watched naked shorting right to the point of having Exchange Specialists tell me about floor traders killing them, and having the exchange cover it up.  He&#8217;s not crazy.  He&#8217;s honest - and to a fault.  We finally have a leader, someone selfless who is willing to take the underdog side when it would be so easy to sit back and peel a grape, and we want to kill him.  Wake up.  Is there anybody out there that thinks Wall St. is on our side.  They believe they can continue to take the system to the brink and the Government (us) will continually bail them out. Many Wall Str&#8217;s laugh.  they say &#8220;We&#8217;re too big to fail&#8221;.</p>
<p>Where are the leaders?I have to turn on the tv and see what Warren Buffett had for breakfast.  He knows about this.  Why is he quiet?  Could it be all that money he has in GS???  Come on.  Wake up.  Help the man, before we&#8217;re all in the Street (sic).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my challenge.  Point to anything about SIV&#8217;s, CDO&#8217;s, Subprime&#8230;..who did it, and what are the consequences?  I can tell you exactly what happened.  Wall Street packaged this crap and loaded it up with &#8220;credits&#8221;.  That&#8217;s what bond guys call commissions - &#8220;credits&#8221;.  The managers got special incentives, and layed on the sales forces.  This stuff is in every pension fund, state pool, throughout the entire country.  BAC had to shut a 14bb money market.  And the worst hasn&#8217;t even begun.  Now, we&#8217;re going om make them cover the billions and billions in stocks they sold us, but never gave us the stock.  so you tell me.  How crazy is he????</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Doubling down?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They barely carry any inventory anymore. I'm not sure what doubling down would consist of.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>They barely carry any inventory anymore. I&#8217;m not sure what doubling down would consist of.</p>
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		<title>By: Overstock CEO Byrne puts on his economist hat : Joe Conyers III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Overstock CEO Byrne puts on his economist hat : Joe Conyers III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] As reported by GigaOM: http://gigaom.com/2007/12/11/just-how-crazy-is-overstocks-patrick-byrne/ [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As reported by GigaOM:  (<a href="http://gigaom.com/2007/12/11/just-how-crazy-is-overstocks-patrick-byrne/" rel="nofollow">link</a>)  [...]</p>
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