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	<title>Comments on: Here Comes Trouble: Infocom Voice</title>
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		<title>By: Can Ribbit Finally Bring Web &#38; Voice Together? - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/10/here-comes-trouble-infocom-voice/#comment-187583</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can Ribbit Finally Bring Web &#38; Voice Together? - GigaOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] Ribbit seems to be rising to the challenge posed by Daniel Berninger, who in a column here wrote: The death of the telecom business remains a standard prediction, but telephone bills continue to [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ribbit seems to be rising to the challenge posed by Daniel Berninger, who in a column here wrote: The death of the telecom business remains a standard prediction, but telephone bills continue to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shai Berger</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/10/here-comes-trouble-infocom-voice/#comment-187582</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shai Berger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The carrier&#039;s &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; starting to bring innovative services to the masses, driven by a need to raise ARPU and reduce churn. Look at some recent deals: Soonr and TeliaSonera (back-up in the cloud), Zimbra and Comcast (unified inbox), Spinvox and Rogers (voicemail delivered as SMS).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Carriers need features that either get you to switch or keep you from switching. Here&#039;s a perfect example: I&#039;m moving my wireless service over to Rogers specifically to get the SpinVox feature.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The carrier&#8217;s <em>are</em> starting to bring innovative services to the masses, driven by a need to raise ARPU and reduce churn. Look at some recent deals: Soonr and TeliaSonera (back-up in the cloud), Zimbra and Comcast (unified inbox), Spinvox and Rogers (voicemail delivered as SMS).</p>
<p>Carriers need features that either get you to switch or keep you from switching. Here&#8217;s a perfect example: I&#8217;m moving my wireless service over to Rogers specifically to get the SpinVox feature.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajay</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/10/here-comes-trouble-infocom-voice/#comment-187581</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ajay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;well i think the more relevant question at the moment is - what will voip or ip do to the mobile.. just adding presence to the mobile could be such a  useful feature...&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i think the more relevant question at the moment is &#8211; what will voip or ip do to the mobile.. just adding presence to the mobile could be such a  useful feature&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aswath</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/10/here-comes-trouble-infocom-voice/#comment-187580</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aswath]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I am of the opinion that the reason Skype found innovation grind to a halt is not because they tied their revenue model to the telephone network, but because the real innovation was at the client, but they decided to give it away for free. If VoIP is a product and not a service, then how can one give away the product?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am of the opinion that the reason Skype found innovation grind to a halt is not because they tied their revenue model to the telephone network, but because the real innovation was at the client, but they decided to give it away for free. If VoIP is a product and not a service, then how can one give away the product?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Lilienthal</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/10/here-comes-trouble-infocom-voice/#comment-187579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Lilienthal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;We have a service in production today that delivers exactly what you are talking about.  HighSpeed Conferencing (www.highspeedconferencing.com) is the only wide-band conference calling service in the world.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s how it works.  You go to the web site and sign up for a FREE 30-day trial.  You activate the link in your email and you use SKYPE as the end-point on your desktop.  We use 8-12khz codecs and all callers on Skype are wide-band.  If you use a regular telephone, you can only get narrowband codecs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I urge you to try it for yourself and HEAR the difference.  One cool thing to do is for you to call in on Skype, have one friend call in on Skype and a 3rd friend call in on the PSTN.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can hear the difference between Wideband/High Definition and regular PSTN.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a service in production today that delivers exactly what you are talking about.  HighSpeed Conferencing (www.highspeedconferencing.com) is the only wide-band conference calling service in the world.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how it works.  You go to the web site and sign up for a FREE 30-day trial.  You activate the link in your email and you use SKYPE as the end-point on your desktop.  We use 8-12khz codecs and all callers on Skype are wide-band.  If you use a regular telephone, you can only get narrowband codecs.</p>
<p>I urge you to try it for yourself and HEAR the difference.  One cool thing to do is for you to call in on Skype, have one friend call in on Skype and a 3rd friend call in on the PSTN.</p>
<p>You can hear the difference between Wideband/High Definition and regular PSTN.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Berninger</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/10/here-comes-trouble-infocom-voice/#comment-187578</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Berninger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Markus,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree the various calls for innovation do not substitute for the real thing.  The column offers a diagnosis of the problem in the dependence of VoIP on the 20th century telephone network.  Even Skype found innovation grind to a halt after tying their revenue model to the telephone network.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A diagnosis represents a necessary step enroute to a cure.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dan&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markus,</p>
<p>I agree the various calls for innovation do not substitute for the real thing.  The column offers a diagnosis of the problem in the dependence of VoIP on the 20th century telephone network.  Even Skype found innovation grind to a halt after tying their revenue model to the telephone network.</p>
<p>A diagnosis represents a necessary step enroute to a cure.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Markus Göbel's Tech News Comments</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/10/here-comes-trouble-infocom-voice/#comment-187577</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markus Göbel's Tech News Comments]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;So what is your answer?
What is it that VoIP can do better than PSTN?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think as a member of the VoIP industry you shouldn&#039;t only start discussions but also give answers. Jeff Pulver, with whom you travelled recently to Tel Aviv, made his &quot;Call for More Innovation in Voice Services&quot; yet 5 months ago. The comments&#039; section to his blog post is now full with Viagra spam.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Om Malik said 3 months ago that VoIP got boring because the companies deal with &quot;Nothing But The V-Thang&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I already read so many posts stating &quot;cheap calls are not enough, VoIP needs to be more&quot;. But then these experts keep me waiting for this &quot;more&quot;. I really hope that FWD comes up with new ideas soon, as promised.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I for instance would like to see a &quot;Hosted Fring with Grandcentral&#039;s filter rules and international mobile callforward over GSM&quot;:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.goebel.net/technews/2007/07/my-answer-to-jeff-pulvers-call-for-more.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BTW: Free or super cheap calls are already a quite great VoIP application to me.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is your answer?<br />
What is it that VoIP can do better than PSTN?</p>
<p>I think as a member of the VoIP industry you shouldn&#8217;t only start discussions but also give answers. Jeff Pulver, with whom you travelled recently to Tel Aviv, made his &#8220;Call for More Innovation in Voice Services&#8221; yet 5 months ago. The comments&#8217; section to his blog post is now full with Viagra spam.</p>
<p>Om Malik said 3 months ago that VoIP got boring because the companies deal with &#8220;Nothing But The V-Thang&#8221;.</p>
<p>I already read so many posts stating &#8220;cheap calls are not enough, VoIP needs to be more&#8221;. But then these experts keep me waiting for this &#8220;more&#8221;. I really hope that FWD comes up with new ideas soon, as promised.</p>
<p>I for instance would like to see a &#8220;Hosted Fring with Grandcentral&#8217;s filter rules and international mobile callforward over GSM&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.goebel.net/technews/2007/07/my-answer-to-jeff-pulvers-call-for-more.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.goebel.net/technews/2007/07/my-answer-to-jeff-pulvers-call-for-more.html</a></p>
<p>BTW: Free or super cheap calls are already a quite great VoIP application to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Advice Network</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Advice Network]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Daniel,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I really like this post. I found it to be thought provoking, and really hopeful too. I know sites like Grand Central want to do to phones, but in my opinion, they have yet to come out with the &quot;killer app.&quot; The hope comes in when I try to imagine what a killer app for phones would look like.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Alex&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,</p>
<p>I really like this post. I found it to be thought provoking, and really hopeful too. I know sites like Grand Central want to do to phones, but in my opinion, they have yet to come out with the &#8220;killer app.&#8221; The hope comes in when I try to imagine what a killer app for phones would look like.</p>
<p>Alex</p>
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		<title>By: Ike Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ike Elliott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Good post, Dan.  It brought back memories of similar meetings I had at MCI at about the same time as your meetings at AT&amp;T.  I still believe VoIP wins in the end, but in a more subtle way.  More on my blog at http://ikeelliott.typepad.com/telecosm/2007/12/voip-barbarians.html&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Dan.  It brought back memories of similar meetings I had at MCI at about the same time as your meetings at AT&amp;T.  I still believe VoIP wins in the end, but in a more subtle way.  More on my blog at <a href="http://ikeelliott.typepad.com/telecosm/2007/12/voip-barbarians.html" rel="nofollow">http://ikeelliott.typepad.com/telecosm/2007/12/voip-barbarians.html</a></p>
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