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	<title>Comments on: AT&#038;T, Verizon&#8230;We Are All Open</title>
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		<title>By: Now Verizon Wants Cable TV Portability. Yeah, Right! - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-867490</link>
		<dc:creator>Now Verizon Wants Cable TV Portability. Yeah, Right! - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] and phone operators &#8212; are waging a war of words, and none of them, including the newly “open” Verizon, have consumers&#8217; best interests in [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: MobHappy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Few Thoughts To End The Week</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-860430</link>
		<dc:creator>MobHappy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Few Thoughts To End The Week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] nothing, apart from switch to GSM several years ago. Good followup to this from Techdirt and GigaOM. Of course, we saw this coming, and don&#8217;t look for it to let up in [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] nothing, apart from switch to GSM several years ago. Good followup to this from Techdirt and GigaOM. Of course, we saw this coming, and don&#8217;t look for it to let up in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Öppet som i öppet eller som i stängt? &#124; MerMobilt.se</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-767579</link>
		<dc:creator>Öppet som i öppet eller som i stängt? &#124; MerMobilt.se</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] har en kort men läsvärd post med en liten varning för det allt mer förekommande missbruket av ordet &#8220;öppet&#8221; [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] har en kort men läsvärd post med en liten varning för det allt mer förekommande missbruket av ordet &#8220;öppet&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl's Office</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-758922</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl's Office</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 04:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;After many years of work in the telecommunications industry I now see exactly why I got out.  The proprietary networks of the past are giving way to open networks.  The question is, when will I be able to use my &lt;a href="http://personafile.com/Apple-iPhone-8GB-885909128525.htm " rel="nofollow"&gt;iphone&lt;/a&gt;to make calls over the internet?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After many years of work in the telecommunications industry I now see exactly why I got out.  The proprietary networks of the past are giving way to open networks.  The question is, when will I be able to use my <a href="http://personafile.com/Apple-iPhone-8GB-885909128525.htm " rel="nofollow">iphone</a>to make calls over the internet?</p>
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		<title>By: Why is AT&#38;T behind Google and Verizon in the open-network game? &#124; last100</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-750652</link>
		<dc:creator>Why is AT&#38;T behind Google and Verizon in the open-network game? &#124; last100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] “It was much ado about nothing,” keen teleco observer Om Malik wrote at GigaOM. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Peter Radizeski</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-750003</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Radizeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Buzz words usually mean confusion. (Like WiMax). Open doesn't mean that it is easy to use a phone you own, but that is as open as it gets in the States.  Since cellular penetration is approaching 90%, it is now a flat market. Now the carriers start playing take-away.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Two things become important: Acquisition Costs and Customer Retention. Carriers don't look at Retention metrics because the Street doesn't. But that should change. Acquisition costs in a flat market are big. (Look at VZ FiOS costs to get TV customers, another flat market).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One of the biggest acquisition costs is the phone subsidy. It would make sense to let the customer buy his/her own phone. No subsidy cost.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Plus it is a "Green" maneuver. No phone added to the landfill.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buzz words usually mean confusion. (Like WiMax). Open doesn&#8217;t mean that it is easy to use a phone you own, but that is as open as it gets in the States.  Since cellular penetration is approaching 90%, it is now a flat market. Now the carriers start playing take-away.</p>
<p>Two things become important: Acquisition Costs and Customer Retention. Carriers don&#8217;t look at Retention metrics because the Street doesn&#8217;t. But that should change. Acquisition costs in a flat market are big. (Look at VZ FiOS costs to get TV customers, another flat market).</p>
<p>One of the biggest acquisition costs is the phone subsidy. It would make sense to let the customer buy his/her own phone. No subsidy cost.</p>
<p>Plus it is a &#8220;Green&#8221; maneuver. No phone added to the landfill.</p>
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		<title>By: Aehso&#8217;s Output &#187; OpenID 2.0 and OAuth Core 1.0</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-749673</link>
		<dc:creator>Aehso&#8217;s Output &#187; OpenID 2.0 and OAuth Core 1.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] is being terribly abused in recent months (I&#8217;m looking at you OpenSocial and you AT&#38;T/Verizon) but the recently completed OpenID 2.0 and OAuth Core 1.0 specifications are truly open. They [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is being terribly abused in recent months (I&#8217;m looking at you OpenSocial and you AT&#38;T/Verizon) but the recently completed OpenID 2.0 and OAuth Core 1.0 specifications are truly open. They [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tekArtist &#187; The Corporate Art of Concept Bastardization</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-748234</link>
		<dc:creator>tekArtist &#187; The Corporate Art of Concept Bastardization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] GigaOM: AT&#38;T, Verizon…We Are All Open: Ever since Verizon announced that it was going “open,” OPEN has become the new buzzword. For [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] GigaOM: AT&amp;T, Verizon…We Are All Open: Ever since Verizon announced that it was going “open,” OPEN has become the new buzzword. For [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sachin Balagopalan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-748217</link>
		<dc:creator>Sachin Balagopalan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the day will arrive sooner than later when the carriers will truly open their networks and yes maybe we will have to thank Google for it. Verizon's recent announcement to switch to LTE for its 4GL implementation is one step closer to being open IMO(LTE belongs to the GSM family).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://tinyurl.com/2znnro&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the day will arrive sooner than later when the carriers will truly open their networks and yes maybe we will have to thank Google for it. Verizon&#8217;s recent announcement to switch to LTE for its 4GL implementation is one step closer to being open IMO(LTE belongs to the GSM family).</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2znnro" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2znnro</a></p>
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		<title>By: scionguy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-747766</link>
		<dc:creator>scionguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think AT&#38;T and T-mobile are closer to being open than others in the US, but being closer doesn't mean they are "all open" yet.  It does help attract customers, because I'm one of them.  I got tired of waiting 2 years to extend my contract and get another crappy phone so I went to a carrier where I could buy what I wanted online (usually ebay) and just pop my sim card in and go.  More open than Verizon right now?  Absolutely.  Completely open and allowing customers true choice?  No.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have to agree with the scenarios Steve Haney laid out, with one exception:&lt;/p&gt;

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    &lt;p&gt;"And device makers (other than Apple and possibly Palm) don’t have REAL retail presences for their unlocked GSM phones."&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Apple has their own stores, but they're not selling any unlocked phones that I'm aware of.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think AT&amp;T and T-mobile are closer to being open than others in the US, but being closer doesn&#8217;t mean they are &#8220;all open&#8221; yet.  It does help attract customers, because I&#8217;m one of them.  I got tired of waiting 2 years to extend my contract and get another crappy phone so I went to a carrier where I could buy what I wanted online (usually ebay) and just pop my sim card in and go.  More open than Verizon right now?  Absolutely.  Completely open and allowing customers true choice?  No.</p>
<p>I have to agree with the scenarios Steve Haney laid out, with one exception:</p>
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<p>&#8220;And device makers (other than Apple and possibly Palm) don’t have REAL retail presences for their unlocked GSM phones.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Apple has their own stores, but they&#8217;re not selling any unlocked phones that I&#8217;m aware of.</p>
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		<title>By: Open(?) Cell Networks in the United States - Almost, Not Yet by Michael Koby</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-747687</link>
		<dc:creator>Open(?) Cell Networks in the United States - Almost, Not Yet by Michael Koby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] that&#8217;s CDMA compatible with any phone operating system onto that their network.  This week, AT&#38;T is claiming that their network is already open.  So whose network is more [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: theregoesdave</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-747653</link>
		<dc:creator>theregoesdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Opening up your network to any phone only represents that these companies are open to receiving your money. Developer should have access to the services available on the handsets and networks. Users should be able to install anything they want without needing to worry about digitally signed content.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Charging subscription fees for data that is freely available on the web is not a sustainable business model as the two platforms converge. The Network Operators are all scrambling to figure out how to continue controlling these services without becoming obsolete in the face of Google's actual openness.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They've found the right word (open), but they had better start taking some action before Google pwns mobile phone software and services.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opening up your network to any phone only represents that these companies are open to receiving your money. Developer should have access to the services available on the handsets and networks. Users should be able to install anything they want without needing to worry about digitally signed content.</p>
<p>Charging subscription fees for data that is freely available on the web is not a sustainable business model as the two platforms converge. The Network Operators are all scrambling to figure out how to continue controlling these services without becoming obsolete in the face of Google&#8217;s actual openness.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve found the right word (open), but they had better start taking some action before Google pwns mobile phone software and services.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Andrew Bell</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-747563</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Andrew Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is classic Roveian PR:  Drape yourself in the flag of "Openness" as a ruse to continue locking in the customer and locking down the walled garden.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only way they're ever going to truly open their networks is if Google overpays in the Spectrum auction, prostrate themselves before the marketplace with flat-rate pricing for voice and data, and let you bring-your-own-phone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Even then, the notion of "Phone-as-PC-platform" that we're all dreaming of is unlikely to occur thanks to the difficulty for small, innovative developers to build and distribute software into the ongoing diaspora of Mobile phone OS platforms, which Google has now merely worsened.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only thing worse than no common framework at all is a common framework that sucks:  Seen J2ME?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-Ian.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is classic Roveian PR:  Drape yourself in the flag of &#8220;Openness&#8221; as a ruse to continue locking in the customer and locking down the walled garden.</p>
<p>The only way they&#8217;re ever going to truly open their networks is if Google overpays in the Spectrum auction, prostrate themselves before the marketplace with flat-rate pricing for voice and data, and let you bring-your-own-phone.</p>
<p>Even then, the notion of &#8220;Phone-as-PC-platform&#8221; that we&#8217;re all dreaming of is unlikely to occur thanks to the difficulty for small, innovative developers to build and distribute software into the ongoing diaspora of Mobile phone OS platforms, which Google has now merely worsened.</p>
<p>The only thing worse than no common framework at all is a common framework that sucks:  Seen J2ME?</p>
<p>-Ian.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Haney</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-747538</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Haney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When it comes to the US GSM networks being "open", it's more about marketing and packaging than anything else.  Yeah, I can drop my AT&#38;T SIM card into any GSM phone I want and go.  But it is never presented that way to the consumer.  They are never told or offered just a SIM card with a voice and data plan on it; then told: go buy any GSM phone you want, pop this card in and go to town.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And device makers (other than Apple and possibly Palm) don't have REAL retail presences for their unlocked GSM phones. They don't aggressively promote to consumers that they can buy their products and put their SIM card in them.  In Europe, it is pretty common in carrier retail stores to have three prices EXPLICITLY advertised for a device: contract price, locked price and unlocked price.  Consumers get to chose.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Next is the carriers who have to take their weird pricing plans and rationalize them.  All the texting and MMS packages stuff has to go away.  Make it like the iPhone (or any landline broadband contract): you have a price for voice and a price for data.  Simple.  (Yes, I know they want to keep their high margin, proprietary messaging offerings, but the way the pricing is done is destructive overall.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For GSM networks in the US, this whole "openness" thing could be made very clear with a few alterations in business plans and a couple of months of marketing.  And the carriers could still maintain the margins they are used to.  There is no reason I shouldn't be able to pop into an AT&#38;T store and buy my HSPA broadband SIM with a reasonably priced plan.  Then go buy whatever GSM phone I want (assuming the manufacturers actually marketed them to me), and then just go.  People are making this hard, the technology is not making this hard.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to the US GSM networks being &#8220;open&#8221;, it&#8217;s more about marketing and packaging than anything else.  Yeah, I can drop my AT&amp;T SIM card into any GSM phone I want and go.  But it is never presented that way to the consumer.  They are never told or offered just a SIM card with a voice and data plan on it; then told: go buy any GSM phone you want, pop this card in and go to town.</p>
<p>And device makers (other than Apple and possibly Palm) don&#8217;t have REAL retail presences for their unlocked GSM phones. They don&#8217;t aggressively promote to consumers that they can buy their products and put their SIM card in them.  In Europe, it is pretty common in carrier retail stores to have three prices EXPLICITLY advertised for a device: contract price, locked price and unlocked price.  Consumers get to chose.</p>
<p>Next is the carriers who have to take their weird pricing plans and rationalize them.  All the texting and MMS packages stuff has to go away.  Make it like the iPhone (or any landline broadband contract): you have a price for voice and a price for data.  Simple.  (Yes, I know they want to keep their high margin, proprietary messaging offerings, but the way the pricing is done is destructive overall.)</p>
<p>For GSM networks in the US, this whole &#8220;openness&#8221; thing could be made very clear with a few alterations in business plans and a couple of months of marketing.  And the carriers could still maintain the margins they are used to.  There is no reason I shouldn&#8217;t be able to pop into an AT&amp;T store and buy my HSPA broadband SIM with a reasonably priced plan.  Then go buy whatever GSM phone I want (assuming the manufacturers actually marketed them to me), and then just go.  People are making this hard, the technology is not making this hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Psycho &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quotable: Om on Open AT&#38;T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psycho &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quotable: Om on Open AT&#38;T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Om Malik, responding to an all-sugar, no-coke story about AT&#38;T&#8217;s new network &#8220;openness&#8221; in USA Today: I think the bigger issue here is that we really need to get companies to define what they mean by OPEN. Open handsets, open networks, open applications, open operating systems — some combination of those, or all of them? Otherwise, I might have to start translating OPEN into &#8220;We&#8217;re Scared of Google.&#8221; [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Om Malik, responding to an all-sugar, no-coke story about AT&amp;T&#8217;s new network &#8220;openness&#8221; in USA Today: I think the bigger issue here is that we really need to get companies to define what they mean by OPEN. Open handsets, open networks, open applications, open operating systems — some combination of those, or all of them? Otherwise, I might have to start translating OPEN into &#8220;We&#8217;re Scared of Google.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ajay</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/06/att-verizon-t-mobilewe-are-all-open/#comment-747356</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the operators are betting that the existing model where they are the primary channel for handset distribution is not going to change for majority for the customers. They are paying lip service to being open, just to make sure the FCC or the politicos do not make it an issue...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Operators do provide some value in terms of customer service for handset makers, and I am not sure why or how transitioning to a PC/consumer electronics will be so great for users....&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the operators are betting that the existing model where they are the primary channel for handset distribution is not going to change for majority for the customers. They are paying lip service to being open, just to make sure the FCC or the politicos do not make it an issue&#8230;</p>
<p>Operators do provide some value in terms of customer service for handset makers, and I am not sure why or how transitioning to a PC/consumer electronics will be so great for users&#8230;.</p>
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