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	<title>Comments on: Cat Got Adobe&#8217;s VoIP?</title>
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	<description>The Business of Technology</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Skip</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/03/cat-got-adobes-voice/#comment-844432</link>
		<dc:creator>Skip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To use VoIP in new version of flash player with all functionality (like making connections to SIP proxies and gateways) you probably will need to buy their server solution (like FMS). But P2P will be available for everyone with backend support of Adobe servers for NAT traversal for example...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To use VoIP in new version of flash player with all functionality (like making connections to SIP proxies and gateways) you probably will need to buy their server solution (like FMS). But P2P will be available for everyone with backend support of Adobe servers for NAT traversal for example&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: funkin wagnel</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/03/cat-got-adobes-voice/#comment-826386</link>
		<dc:creator>funkin wagnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For Adobe to believe they could have done anything to preempt YouTube from monetizing flash is just plain idiotic.  No wonder Chizen resigned --- with the Adobe business development executives merrily dreaming away in the executive suite.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Adobe to believe they could have done anything to preempt YouTube from monetizing flash is just plain idiotic.  No wonder Chizen resigned &#8212; with the Adobe business development executives merrily dreaming away in the executive suite.</p>
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		<title>By: Can Ribbit Finally Bring Web &#38; Voice Together? - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/03/cat-got-adobes-voice/#comment-779838</link>
		<dc:creator>Can Ribbit Finally Bring Web &#38; Voice Together? - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] and its future. For instance, I have on good authority that Adobe will be making a big splash with its VoIP plans sometime next spring, and is working furiously to put finishing touches on its offerings. This would [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and its future. For instance, I have on good authority that Adobe will be making a big splash with its VoIP plans sometime next spring, and is working furiously to put finishing touches on its offerings. This would [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Proveedor VoIP #1 en el mundo &#187; 0j0.net</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/03/cat-got-adobes-voice/#comment-768696</link>
		<dc:creator>Proveedor VoIP #1 en el mundo &#187; 0j0.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] ni bajarse nada, solo instalar flash una sola vez. Ya ha sido probado, pero el framework llamado Pacifica todavia no se libera a los desarrolladores. 2. Wimax se viene durisimo en el 2008, ya esta todo [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ni bajarse nada, solo instalar flash una sola vez. Ya ha sido probado, pero el framework llamado Pacifica todavia no se libera a los desarrolladores. 2. Wimax se viene durisimo en el 2008, ya esta todo [...]</p>
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		<title>By: quetwo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/03/cat-got-adobes-voice/#comment-749453</link>
		<dc:creator>quetwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The issue isn't that the Flash platform can't create SIP signaling (this would be easy, it's an XHTML based language), the issue is it has restrictions in creating any audio, other than the Adobe audio standard.  The "workarounds" these 3rd party companies are doing essentially send the audio to a Flash Media Server (or compatible), which then decodes the audio, and re-encodes it to a standard VoIP audio codec.  Adobe won't be unlocking this one, and I'm sure the update the provide for the Flash player will lock it in so you can only send G.711/G.729a/G.723 to their servers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue isn&#8217;t that the Flash platform can&#8217;t create SIP signaling (this would be easy, it&#8217;s an XHTML based language), the issue is it has restrictions in creating any audio, other than the Adobe audio standard.  The &#8220;workarounds&#8221; these 3rd party companies are doing essentially send the audio to a Flash Media Server (or compatible), which then decodes the audio, and re-encodes it to a standard VoIP audio codec.  Adobe won&#8217;t be unlocking this one, and I&#8217;m sure the update the provide for the Flash player will lock it in so you can only send G.711/G.729a/G.723 to their servers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajay</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/03/cat-got-adobes-voice/#comment-742348</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;"YouTube got the upside of Flash video"?  They lose millions every year and nobody makes much money off online video.  It would be monumentally stupid of Adobe to start locking down their products for better monetization when nobody else is making money off those technologies either.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;YouTube got the upside of Flash video&#8221;?  They lose millions every year and nobody makes much money off online video.  It would be monumentally stupid of Adobe to start locking down their products for better monetization when nobody else is making money off those technologies either.</p>
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		<title>By: knowsadobe</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/03/cat-got-adobes-voice/#comment-741808</link>
		<dc:creator>knowsadobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The infighting between former Macromedia and Adobe is also the problem. The teams hate each other. You will be seeing more examples of adobe missing the boat.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The infighting between former Macromedia and Adobe is also the problem. The teams hate each other. You will be seeing more examples of adobe missing the boat.</p>
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		<title>By: Aswath</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/03/cat-got-adobes-voice/#comment-741462</link>
		<dc:creator>Aswath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Update: What backend? What server-side? Once Flash has speech engine (need wideband, preferably Speex; G711 is BW hog and poor quality) and UDP transport capability, I will be able to connect the two end-points without any further assistance from any backend from Adobe. Of course, I do not have a solution for their monetization problem. They decided to give away intelligent ends; now they can not try to insert a Middle. (http://www.mocaedu.com/mt/archives/000338.html)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Update: What backend? What server-side? Once Flash has speech engine (need wideband, preferably Speex; G711 is BW hog and poor quality) and UDP transport capability, I will be able to connect the two end-points without any further assistance from any backend from Adobe. Of course, I do not have a solution for their monetization problem. They decided to give away intelligent ends; now they can not try to insert a Middle. (http://www.mocaedu.com/mt/archives/000338.html)</p>
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		<title>By: jccodez</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/03/cat-got-adobes-voice/#comment-741451</link>
		<dc:creator>jccodez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;your site is like kryptonite now...sorry, just can't browse , it looks like something information from a pharma co...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your site is like kryptonite now&#8230;sorry, just can&#8217;t browse , it looks like something information from a pharma co&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: freechelmi</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/03/cat-got-adobes-voice/#comment-740892</link>
		<dc:creator>freechelmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Weird , Why would it be more difficult with Flash to Do pure SIP/RTP UDP sockets than with other technologies ?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do like Wengo , an http tunnel server in case SIP ports are blocked.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird , Why would it be more difficult with Flash to Do pure SIP/RTP UDP sockets than with other technologies ?</p>
<p>Do like Wengo , an http tunnel server in case SIP ports are blocked.</p>
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		<title>By: thedude2002</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/12/03/cat-got-adobes-voice/#comment-740693</link>
		<dc:creator>thedude2002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don't think that Adobe really wants to build a VoIP app. Who has ever made real big money out of voip? It's a cent game.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think Adobe is more interested in enabling the platform, because that's what they now are: a platform company.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t think that Adobe really wants to build a VoIP app. Who has ever made real big money out of voip? It&#8217;s a cent game.</p>
<p>I think Adobe is more interested in enabling the platform, because that&#8217;s what they now are: a platform company.</p>
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