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		<title>By: Xor News &#187; The Hype of Cloud Computing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xor News &#187; The Hype of Cloud Computing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: In the Mobile Platform War, Nokia Snags TrollTech - GigaOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>In the Mobile Platform War, Nokia Snags TrollTech - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Monday, January 28, 2008 at 12:38 PM PT Comments (0)   The problem with the nebulous nature of computing in the cloud is that the real money is made by controlling a platform. In the vapor of bytes that make up the [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; IT Management for The Big Switch - Mid-afternoon Speculation and Blue-skying</title>
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		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; IT Management for The Big Switch - Mid-afternoon Speculation and Blue-skying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] things pan out in a Big Switch sort of way, there&#8217;s less primary customers (only a handful - five? - of cloud providers vs. thousands of enterprise data-centers), and thus requiring teams of people [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: 2008 predictions from a VC: Android will succeed…VentureBeat &#124; Techitorial Gadget Reviews and Tech Updates</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/22/five-computer-clouds-are-all-we-need/#comment-776313</link>
		<dc:creator>2008 predictions from a VC: Android will succeed…VentureBeat &#124; Techitorial Gadget Reviews and Tech Updates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Portfolio. Five computing clouds are poised to deliver what most of us need. I wrote about that for GigaOm last month. Google and Amazon give us consumer apps and infrastructure, Salesforce.com and VMWare [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: VentureBeat &#187; 2008 predictions from a VC: Android will succeed&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/22/five-computer-clouds-are-all-we-need/#comment-775876</link>
		<dc:creator>VentureBeat &#187; 2008 predictions from a VC: Android will succeed&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Portfolio. Five computing clouds are poised to deliver what most of us need. I wrote about this for GigaOm last month. Google and Amazon give us consumer apps and infrastructure, Salesforce.com and VMWare [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Syven</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/22/five-computer-clouds-are-all-we-need/#comment-727957</link>
		<dc:creator>Syven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Andrew are you referring to spatial data such as that being used by companies like Weogeo, if so Weogeo are already running off the Amazon Web Services platform.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The key for me why this discussion opens on a attribution of the "5 Computer" quote is simply has a nice familiarity to it which can serve as a great prelude to bringing the topic of cloud computing to a broader audience. There have been plenty of instances in history where a storyline has been used to serve another end and I guess emails are best directed to Robert Wuhl when they do, at least he knows how to laugh about them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am more interested in the mindset required for appreciating more emergent approaches to organizing ones information rather than which four, five or six computer "clouds" dominate - I'll let the experts and VC's worry about that, what matters to me is discovering this stuff and when and how I will be utilizing it.  I don't want some university awarding me a PhD for technology knowledge at the end my discovery process, I simply want utilize cloud computing advantages and in the process make sure that I didn't simply have my head in the clouds.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;M.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew are you referring to spatial data such as that being used by companies like Weogeo, if so Weogeo are already running off the Amazon Web Services platform.</p>
<p>The key for me why this discussion opens on a attribution of the &#8220;5 Computer&#8221; quote is simply has a nice familiarity to it which can serve as a great prelude to bringing the topic of cloud computing to a broader audience. There have been plenty of instances in history where a storyline has been used to serve another end and I guess emails are best directed to Robert Wuhl when they do, at least he knows how to laugh about them.</p>
<p>I am more interested in the mindset required for appreciating more emergent approaches to organizing ones information rather than which four, five or six computer &#8220;clouds&#8221; dominate - I&#8217;ll let the experts and VC&#8217;s worry about that, what matters to me is discovering this stuff and when and how I will be utilizing it.  I don&#8217;t want some university awarding me a PhD for technology knowledge at the end my discovery process, I simply want utilize cloud computing advantages and in the process make sure that I didn&#8217;t simply have my head in the clouds.</p>
<p>M.</p>
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		<title>By: More Online Collaboration Tools &#171; consultaglobal</title>
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		<dc:creator>More Online Collaboration Tools &#171; consultaglobal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Baris Karadogan&#8217;s column on [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Baris Karadogan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/22/five-computer-clouds-are-all-we-need/#comment-722163</link>
		<dc:creator>Baris Karadogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for reading my article and the comments.  I'd like to respond to Andrew who left a very thoughtful comment that deserves an equal response.  Sorry, it's taken me a while to get back.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Andrew,
Either for the enterprise side of your life or your consumer side, my model assumes two things; that there is an application cloud, and there is an ifrastructure cloud that delivers the application.  So either way there is an application somebody wants to use.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The spactial data platform you have in mind, sooner or later has to deliver an application.  Nobody would want a platform for its own sake.  So I would focus more on what the key applications are based on the spacial data.  If there are enough of them, and if they, as you say, are a superset of text, than that application would one day be positioned to knock out the consumer app cloud.  Nothing happens until that does.  Once that does, then, and only then, does the infrastructure to deliver it matter.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So long story short, I agree with your second statement.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You are welcome to email me at my work email, and we can talk more about these topics.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reading my article and the comments.  I&#8217;d like to respond to Andrew who left a very thoughtful comment that deserves an equal response.  Sorry, it&#8217;s taken me a while to get back.</p>
<p>Andrew,<br />
Either for the enterprise side of your life or your consumer side, my model assumes two things; that there is an application cloud, and there is an ifrastructure cloud that delivers the application.  So either way there is an application somebody wants to use.</p>
<p>The spactial data platform you have in mind, sooner or later has to deliver an application.  Nobody would want a platform for its own sake.  So I would focus more on what the key applications are based on the spacial data.  If there are enough of them, and if they, as you say, are a superset of text, than that application would one day be positioned to knock out the consumer app cloud.  Nothing happens until that does.  Once that does, then, and only then, does the infrastructure to deliver it matter.</p>
<p>So long story short, I agree with your second statement.</p>
<p>You are welcome to email me at my work email, and we can talk more about these topics.</p>
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		<title>By: One Cloud, Two Clouds, Four Clouds, More? &#171; SmoothSpan Blog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/22/five-computer-clouds-are-all-we-need/#comment-721523</link>
		<dc:creator>One Cloud, Two Clouds, Four Clouds, More? &#171; SmoothSpan Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] by smoothspan on November 26, 2007  GigaOm writes recently that the world may only need 5 clouds, echoing a misquote attributed to Thomas J. Watson at IBM.  [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Weird Wonderful Web Links for a Grey Cuy Sunday &#124; False Positives</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/22/five-computer-clouds-are-all-we-need/#comment-719436</link>
		<dc:creator>Weird Wonderful Web Links for a Grey Cuy Sunday &#124; False Positives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Five Computer Clouds Are All We Need  - Could five computer &#8220;clouds&#8221; really allow us to do everything we want? If the answer is yes, they can already be found with Google; Amazon; Salesforce.com; either Sun Microsystems or VMWare; and Akamai. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Eric Artman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Artman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IBM did NOT "invent" the PC--they just chose some existing technology and called it a "PC".  What they (stupidly) did was to standardize the basic non-Apple model--and they did it in a way that two other companies (MS and Intel) were able to control almost all of the intellectual property involved.  IBM bet on controlling the trademark over the technology, and lost big time.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IBM did NOT &#8220;invent&#8221; the PC&#8211;they just chose some existing technology and called it a &#8220;PC&#8221;.  What they (stupidly) did was to standardize the basic non-Apple model&#8211;and they did it in a way that two other companies (MS and Intel) were able to control almost all of the intellectual property involved.  IBM bet on controlling the trademark over the technology, and lost big time.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-11-24 &#187; SDLC Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2007-11-24 &#187; SDLC Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Five Computer Clouds Are All We Need « GigaOM &#8220;Could five computer “clouds” really allow us to do everything we want? The answer is yes, and they can already be found with Google; Amazon; Salesforce.com; either Sun Microsystems or VMWare; and Akamai.&#8221; (tags: cloud google amazon salesforce sun akami) [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Aaron Huslage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Huslage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I'm sorry. You seem to be confused. Oversimplification for the sake of clarity is fine, but you've missed the boat completely with this post. Maybe I'll clarify in my own blog someday, but you've left out pretty major players here to prove a point that doesn't really need proving.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry. You seem to be confused. Oversimplification for the sake of clarity is fine, but you&#8217;ve missed the boat completely with this post. Maybe I&#8217;ll clarify in my own blog someday, but you&#8217;ve left out pretty major players here to prove a point that doesn&#8217;t really need proving.</p>
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		<title>By: jfno</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/22/five-computer-clouds-are-all-we-need/#comment-714355</link>
		<dc:creator>jfno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let me get this straight, you took a misquote and moved it 35 years in the future and then made a case. Are you sure you’re not a real journalist.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway to play your game, if you see computing as clouds, I think it is pretty obvious we only need one, the internet. Isaac Asimov short story “The Last Question” published in 1956 was already establishing that. You’re just 51 years late and 4 computers over.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this straight, you took a misquote and moved it 35 years in the future and then made a case. Are you sure you’re not a real journalist.</p>
<p>Anyway to play your game, if you see computing as clouds, I think it is pretty obvious we only need one, the internet. Isaac Asimov short story “The Last Question” published in 1956 was already establishing that. You’re just 51 years late and 4 computers over.</p>
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		<title>By: Shai Berger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shai Berger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don't forget about real-time communications!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The global phone system (the PSTN) is also a computing cloud. It may not seem that way because it isn't really programmable. But what it lacks in flexibility, it makes up for in reach and reliability.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here's an interesting question - If you had to lose one these clouds tomorrow, which would you miss most?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The conversion of the PSTN to IP (over the last decade) combined with the current wave of web-telephony integration (aka "Voice 2.0") is fixing that flexibility gap.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More here... www.shaiberger.com/?p=47&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget about real-time communications!</p>
<p>The global phone system (the PSTN) is also a computing cloud. It may not seem that way because it isn&#8217;t really programmable. But what it lacks in flexibility, it makes up for in reach and reliability.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting question - If you had to lose one these clouds tomorrow, which would you miss most?</p>
<p>The conversion of the PSTN to IP (over the last decade) combined with the current wave of web-telephony integration (aka &#8220;Voice 2.0&#8243;) is fixing that flexibility gap.</p>
<p>More here&#8230; <a href="http://www.shaiberger.com/?p=47" rel="nofollow">http://www.shaiberger.com/?p=47</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sapir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sapir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Absolutely agree!  I had a very similar post on "Super Platforms" last month http://www.limitnoneblog.com/2007/09/rise-of-super-platform.html/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree!  I had a very similar post on &#8220;Super Platforms&#8221; last month <a href="http://www.limitnoneblog.com/2007/09/rise-of-super-platform.html/" rel="nofollow">http://www.limitnoneblog.com/2007/09/rise-of-super-platform.html/</a></p>
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