Mobile VoIP companies should use callthrough to make it usable outside of Wifi. Like Packet8 MobileTalk, but much better. When Packet8 presented MobileTalk I was fascinated, but just for some seconds. Then I thought: What a lost opportunity! It could…

I am asking a very simple and straight forward question.

I am not a user of mig33 but I am prepared to believe it is an excellent product based on feedback from individuals on various web sources. What individuals say, counts.

I am not “bashing” the product or the company. Though I would bash hyped up market figures or figures that are not defined properly or explained. (I used to work in market research so I have a general passing interest in “market estimates”.)

Regarding well-know brands, I mentioned two, unless you think Jajah and Skype don’t deserve that appellation.

8m mig33 users still seems pretty amazing (incredible) to me compared with 2-3m Jajah users, 5m Skype for Windows Mobile downloads.

Has anyone else got figures that they can mention? I am happy to be proved unnecessarily unbelieving.

I have seen some previous posts from you and notice you seem to have a habit of “mig bashing”.

Who are these “better known brands?” you keep referring to and why do you have such an issue with Mig33 user numbers?

Marco

That’s not true at all. A flat-rate service like Voip Discount slaughters any phone card.

What is your source for the number of mig33 users? And what exactly is a user in this context?

8 million users for the mig33 mobile phone download application is incredible when you compare it with numbers for “similar” products from well established / better known brands.

e.g. 5m downloads for Skype for Windows Mobile; 2-3m Jajah users;

I know it is difficult to compare like with like, and so on, but I think the figures you quote need clarification.

what is likely to happen with mobile VOIP is that the operators will inded allow it; but not for free. in places like USA that deplete airtime minutes for inbound/outbound calls they are likely to chage the usual rate. perhaps other places they will charge a fee for unlimited monthy. 3 skypephone is the start.

i predict the operator sanctioned services will all use the same voice channel as other voice. this makes sense; there is a reason all cell phone voice has not moved to data IP packets. the current way is more reliable with current technologies.

i exoect in the next six months to see skype and gtalk each team up with a major global carrier.

there may continue to be people who manage to use SIP stacks over the data channel on an unlimted data plan. But this will be the minority. many more of us will be using skype2skype to avoid international or mobile termination charges but paying the carrier in another form(such as subscription charges)

“…The caveat, of course, is if carriers allow it…”

AT&T Wireless is unambiguous about VOIP in their Terms of Service:

“…PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT
LIMITED TO, USING SERVICES:…(III) FOR
VOICE OVER IP;…”

All those Betamax VoIP companies have their own calltrough numbers now. Jajah is actually quite late with this idea. You already get that from Tpad, Sipbroker, iSkoot, Mobivox, Cellity, Wifimobile and others.

No need to use Jajah Direct.