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	<title>Comments on: In The Labs: 100 Gbps Over Copper</title>
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		<title>By: HSPA Just Keeps Going and Going to 168 Mbps: Broadband News and Analysis &#171;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-584012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HSPA Just Keeps Going and Going to 168 Mbps: Broadband News and Analysis &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] spectrum bands to boost their capacity. Announcements like this make me wonder if HSPA is set to become the copper of the wireless world &#8212; a technology so entrenched that nothing seems to boot [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] spectrum bands to boost their capacity. Announcements like this make me wonder if HSPA is set to become the copper of the wireless world &#8212; a technology so entrenched that nothing seems to boot [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Solarflare Gets $44M for 10GigE Over Copper</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-185401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Solarflare Gets $44M for 10GigE Over Copper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the current speeds offered by Gigabit Ethernet in data centers, while boosting those speeds still using copper keeps folks from having to do a wholesale upgrade of their cabling. Solarflare is also trying to [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Grid-X</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-185400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grid-X]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Mike - we already have this product: www.grid-x.com&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; we already have this product: <a href="http://www.grid-x.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.grid-x.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike A</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-185399</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Component manufacturers are already developing 100 GigE offload NIC&#039;s so when the wire or optical network connection is standardized, there should be a very fast adoption of 100 GigE by the HPC community.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Component manufacturers are already developing 100 GigE offload NIC&#8217;s so when the wire or optical network connection is standardized, there should be a very fast adoption of 100 GigE by the HPC community.</p>
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		<title>By: Rational Idealist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Technology became complicated lately.</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-185398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rational Idealist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Technology became complicated lately.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-185397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Yes, there may be life in copper BUT that Cat7 cable sure does sound expensive &amp; bulky.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Fiber optic cable links are a reality and can be ruggedized much like copper cable.  Eventually cost will dominate, and there will be cross-over to active optical cables (when is the question...?)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is a LOT of pull for higher density cabling in the data center, and if you&#039;ve seen the pictures of copper cabling&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there may be life in copper BUT that Cat7 cable sure does sound expensive &amp; bulky.</p>
<p>Fiber optic cable links are a reality and can be ruggedized much like copper cable.  Eventually cost will dominate, and there will be cross-over to active optical cables (when is the question&#8230;?)</p>
<p>There is a LOT of pull for higher density cabling in the data center, and if you&#8217;ve seen the pictures of copper cabling</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Jeremy...ACK!  Replacing in-building station copper for fiber is a huge mistake.  POE?  I&#039;ve been in environments where the customer ran fiber to the desk and it&#039;s nothing but trouble.  No POE, the NIC&#039;s are always expensive and the fiber is more delicate in general.  What do you do about laptops?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Really bad idea.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Gerald, while Wimax might be cool if it ever gets deployed I don&#039;t see enterprises moving to that for internal communications for quite some time.  It&#039;s been an uphill battle just getting them to accept WiFi and it&#039;s never a replacement, rather an augmentation.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy&#8230;ACK!  Replacing in-building station copper for fiber is a huge mistake.  POE?  I&#8217;ve been in environments where the customer ran fiber to the desk and it&#8217;s nothing but trouble.  No POE, the NIC&#8217;s are always expensive and the fiber is more delicate in general.  What do you do about laptops?</p>
<p>Really bad idea.</p>
<p>Gerald, while Wimax might be cool if it ever gets deployed I don&#8217;t see enterprises moving to that for internal communications for quite some time.  It&#8217;s been an uphill battle just getting them to accept WiFi and it&#8217;s never a replacement, rather an augmentation.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Zuckerwar</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-185395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald Zuckerwar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Wires are old school.  Support Wimax.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Penston</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-185394</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Penston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I think there is a lot of life left in copper yet, but the real consideration is whether any of these new technologies require a replacement of the copper that is already there.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If they do (and I don&#039;t know about cat-7), you might as well replace it with fibre. The Dr John invention from Melbourne though seems different as it promises to make &lt;em&gt;what is already there&lt;/em&gt; much more able to reliably deliver the speeds we want in the future.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wrote about this issue a few weeks ago, just after the news broke from Melbourne. Sorry for polluting your site with external links, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.ipdev.net/2007/10/false-sense-of-certainty/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this is relevant&lt;/a&gt;!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheers&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jeremy&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a lot of life left in copper yet, but the real consideration is whether any of these new technologies require a replacement of the copper that is already there.</p>
<p>If they do (and I don&#8217;t know about cat-7), you might as well replace it with fibre. The Dr John invention from Melbourne though seems different as it promises to make <em>what is already there</em> much more able to reliably deliver the speeds we want in the future.</p>
<p>I wrote about this issue a few weeks ago, just after the news broke from Melbourne. Sorry for polluting your site with external links, but <a href="http://blog.ipdev.net/2007/10/false-sense-of-certainty/" rel="nofollow">this is relevant</a>!</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Jeremy</p>
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		<title>By: The Foo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-185393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Foo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I was actually inferring to the average  computer, in the current trend of cheap PCs and laptops. The &quot;up to $1000 PCs&quot; you see in the Best Buys and Circuit City still have a lot of the low end Realteks in them that support up to 100 Full duplex only. And yes there is the OS throughput too like you mentioned. A HP laptop I bought last year at about $900 only has that capability. So with the OS throughput and interface factors in place, in the end it&#039;s actually pointless even to have a cable with that speed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The point I was trying to make is that it takes much more than just the cable. There are a lot that have the perception that you buy into a cable that can perform to that spec, you are going to get that speeds.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, agreed... the speeds always start from the backbone and main core as it&#039;s the one that &lt;em&gt;govern&lt;/em&gt; the network.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was actually inferring to the average  computer, in the current trend of cheap PCs and laptops. The &#8220;up to $1000 PCs&#8221; you see in the Best Buys and Circuit City still have a lot of the low end Realteks in them that support up to 100 Full duplex only. And yes there is the OS throughput too like you mentioned. A HP laptop I bought last year at about $900 only has that capability. So with the OS throughput and interface factors in place, in the end it&#8217;s actually pointless even to have a cable with that speed.</p>
<p>The point I was trying to make is that it takes much more than just the cable. There are a lot that have the perception that you buy into a cable that can perform to that spec, you are going to get that speeds.</p>
<p>Yes, agreed&#8230; the speeds always start from the backbone and main core as it&#8217;s the one that <em>govern</em> the network.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Foo, is there a typo in there?  1Gbps interfaces are pretty common these days.  Only cheap PC&#039;s still have 10/100 only interfaces.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, you&#039;ll get no argument from me that the OS&#039;s aren&#039;t capable of supporting that kind of throughput.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, with speeds like this it always starts in the backbone between core network devices before it trickles down to the end user.  Some big iron like a Cisco 6500 might be able to push 100gbps in a few years.  They are already pushing x10gbps without trouble.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foo, is there a typo in there?  1Gbps interfaces are pretty common these days.  Only cheap PC&#8217;s still have 10/100 only interfaces.</p>
<p>Now, you&#8217;ll get no argument from me that the OS&#8217;s aren&#8217;t capable of supporting that kind of throughput.</p>
<p>However, with speeds like this it always starts in the backbone between core network devices before it trickles down to the end user.  Some big iron like a Cisco 6500 might be able to push 100gbps in a few years.  They are already pushing x10gbps without trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-185391</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Om, most of what&#039;s going in the field today is Cat5e.  There&#039;s very little Cat6 and when I do see it it&#039;s only on brand new installs.  The other problem with Cat6 is the requirements for maintaining the twist aren&#039;t always understood by the installers.  If the cablers don&#039;t know what they&#039;re doing it&#039;s easy to get out of spec on Cat6.  I can only imagine the challenges with cabling Cat7.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, you mention that Cat7 has 4 pairs of twisted wires.  That&#039;s true of all of these.  The big difference is that each pair is shielded and then the bundle is shielded as well.  Shielding adds $$$.  Add in the cost of a different connector architecture and it&#039;s easy to understand why it will take several years before anyone gives this serious consideration.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Still, copper is the cockroach because it&#039;s magnitudes easier to install than fiber.  Fiber requires very specialized (ie, expensive) tools to terminate and test.  Copper&#039;s also more resilient.  You can really toss it around without worrying much about getting a kink in it.  Try that with fiber!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And finally, it&#039;s a lot harder to send power over fiber.  :)&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om, most of what&#8217;s going in the field today is Cat5e.  There&#8217;s very little Cat6 and when I do see it it&#8217;s only on brand new installs.  The other problem with Cat6 is the requirements for maintaining the twist aren&#8217;t always understood by the installers.  If the cablers don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re doing it&#8217;s easy to get out of spec on Cat6.  I can only imagine the challenges with cabling Cat7.</p>
<p>Also, you mention that Cat7 has 4 pairs of twisted wires.  That&#8217;s true of all of these.  The big difference is that each pair is shielded and then the bundle is shielded as well.  Shielding adds $$$.  Add in the cost of a different connector architecture and it&#8217;s easy to understand why it will take several years before anyone gives this serious consideration.</p>
<p>Still, copper is the cockroach because it&#8217;s magnitudes easier to install than fiber.  Fiber requires very specialized (ie, expensive) tools to terminate and test.  Copper&#8217;s also more resilient.  You can really toss it around without worrying much about getting a kink in it.  Try that with fiber!</p>
<p>And finally, it&#8217;s a lot harder to send power over fiber.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: The Foo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-185390</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Foo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Yes as DEC mentioned above, you may want to correct your typo… it is not 250 Gps but 250 Mps instead (in that link to the Austrlian article).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have to also state that making cables capable of that speed is one thing but it all depends on the interfaces at both ends. If you didn’t know, Cat6 copper cables out there currently support up to 1000 Mbps but no commercial NIC out there on the market currently supports it i.e. you can just go out to a Best Buy to buy one. So what I am trying to say is the speed the data sent down the cable is only as good as the interfaces on the ends (no matter what the capability of the cable is).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unless the major manufacturers buy into the fact that it is profitable to commercially mass produce interfaces that support so called 100 Gps Cat7 speeds, we’ll probably never see it. My opinion is that if we haven’t seen 1000 Mbps NICs sold commonly now for the average user, we probably will never see 100 Gps ones. Most manufacturers probably see the future in fiber instead of copper and are reluctant to make the initial investment.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes as DEC mentioned above, you may want to correct your typo… it is not 250 Gps but 250 Mps instead (in that link to the Austrlian article).</p>
<p>I have to also state that making cables capable of that speed is one thing but it all depends on the interfaces at both ends. If you didn’t know, Cat6 copper cables out there currently support up to 1000 Mbps but no commercial NIC out there on the market currently supports it i.e. you can just go out to a Best Buy to buy one. So what I am trying to say is the speed the data sent down the cable is only as good as the interfaces on the ends (no matter what the capability of the cable is).</p>
<p>Unless the major manufacturers buy into the fact that it is profitable to commercially mass produce interfaces that support so called 100 Gps Cat7 speeds, we’ll probably never see it. My opinion is that if we haven’t seen 1000 Mbps NICs sold commonly now for the average user, we probably will never see 100 Gps ones. Most manufacturers probably see the future in fiber instead of copper and are reluctant to make the initial investment.</p>
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		<title>By: The Foo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-185389</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Foo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Yes as DEC mentioned above, you may want to correct your typo... it is not 250 Gps but 250 Mps instead (in that link to the Austrlian article).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have to also state that making cables capable of that speed is one thing but it all depends on the interfaces at both ends. If you didn&#039;t know, Cat6 copper cables out there currently support up to 1000 Mbps but no commercial NIC out there on the market currently supports it i.e. you can just go out to a Best Buy to buy one. So what I am trying to say is the speed the data sent down the cable is only as good as the interfaces on the ends (no matter what the capability of the cable is).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unless the major manufacturers buy into the fact that it is profitable to commercially mass produce interfaces that support so called 100 Gps Cat7 speeds, we&#039;ll probably never see it. My opinion is that if we haven&#039;t seen 1000 Mbps NICs sold commonly now for the average user, we probably will never see 100 Gps ones. Most manufacturers probably see the future in fiber instead of copper and are reluctant to make the initial investment.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes as DEC mentioned above, you may want to correct your typo&#8230; it is not 250 Gps but 250 Mps instead (in that link to the Austrlian article).</p>
<p>I have to also state that making cables capable of that speed is one thing but it all depends on the interfaces at both ends. If you didn&#8217;t know, Cat6 copper cables out there currently support up to 1000 Mbps but no commercial NIC out there on the market currently supports it i.e. you can just go out to a Best Buy to buy one. So what I am trying to say is the speed the data sent down the cable is only as good as the interfaces on the ends (no matter what the capability of the cable is).</p>
<p>Unless the major manufacturers buy into the fact that it is profitable to commercially mass produce interfaces that support so called 100 Gps Cat7 speeds, we&#8217;ll probably never see it. My opinion is that if we haven&#8217;t seen 1000 Mbps NICs sold commonly now for the average user, we probably will never see 100 Gps ones. Most manufacturers probably see the future in fiber instead of copper and are reluctant to make the initial investment.</p>
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		<title>By: DEC</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/16/100-gbps-over-copper/#comment-185388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DEC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The Australian guys hit 250 Mbps, not Gbps, although that would be cool!!&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Australian guys hit 250 Mbps, not Gbps, although that would be cool!!</p>
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