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		<title>By: the Idea Shower &#187; &#187; 1000 Subscribers in 3 Months and How it Almost Didn&#8217;t Happen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-857792</link>
		<dc:creator>the Idea Shower &#187; &#187; 1000 Subscribers in 3 Months and How it Almost Didn&#8217;t Happen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Digg, Del.icio.us, Techmeme, Lifehacker, Download Squad, Valleywag and more. It was talked about by Om Malik, Arstechnica, and Nicholas [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: The L</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-746018</link>
		<dc:creator>The L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Beacon should not ever receive any information on us unless we tell them we want them to.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Way to go, EFF. This needs to go to the FCC; imagine a beowulf cluster of corporations sharing our purchasing habits with other companies behind our backs. Oh heck, that's already happening.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;"What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" should be the default rule of commerce, and we should not be compromising to avoid sounding "paranoid".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Information about our purchasing habits are on a need to know basis; I can imagine a tiny few instances in which the FBI would need to know. Third party companies certainly do not need to know. They need to ASK the consumer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I propose a radical approach to privacy. A personal information DMCA. No unlicensed exchange of any information personally linkable to you (purchasing habits, financial info, SSNs, names, addresses, etc.), ever. A company has your information solely by your opt-in consent, revocable with relative ease (isn't the web supposed to make this easy?) at any time. Choicepoint and other "investigative" companies must pay you a personal information royalty/licensing fee if they wish to trade information about you. Like in California, all companies doing business in America must disclose to you any and all information used in hiring or underwriting - credit scores, social security job history, etc. They may NOT write a contract saying you will waive the right to a licensing payment for use of your personal information; no exceptions. Violation of this law is equal to the fines payable for "stealing" an mp3.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That's my hard line personal information DMCA proposal. I'm sure that if it gets legs, it'll be compromised down, but hopefully not too much.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beacon should not ever receive any information on us unless we tell them we want them to.</p>
<p>Way to go, EFF. This needs to go to the FCC; imagine a beowulf cluster of corporations sharing our purchasing habits with other companies behind our backs. Oh heck, that&#8217;s already happening.</p>
<p>&#8220;What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas&#8221; should be the default rule of commerce, and we should not be compromising to avoid sounding &#8220;paranoid&#8221;.</p>
<p>Information about our purchasing habits are on a need to know basis; I can imagine a tiny few instances in which the FBI would need to know. Third party companies certainly do not need to know. They need to ASK the consumer.</p>
<p>I propose a radical approach to privacy. A personal information DMCA. No unlicensed exchange of any information personally linkable to you (purchasing habits, financial info, SSNs, names, addresses, etc.), ever. A company has your information solely by your opt-in consent, revocable with relative ease (isn&#8217;t the web supposed to make this easy?) at any time. Choicepoint and other &#8220;investigative&#8221; companies must pay you a personal information royalty/licensing fee if they wish to trade information about you. Like in California, all companies doing business in America must disclose to you any and all information used in hiring or underwriting - credit scores, social security job history, etc. They may NOT write a contract saying you will waive the right to a licensing payment for use of your personal information; no exceptions. Violation of this law is equal to the fines payable for &#8220;stealing&#8221; an mp3.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my hard line personal information DMCA proposal. I&#8217;m sure that if it gets legs, it&#8217;ll be compromised down, but hopefully not too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Serious Privacy Issues With Facebook&#8217;s Beacon &#187; Webomatica - Technology and Entertainment Digest</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-735564</link>
		<dc:creator>Serious Privacy Issues With Facebook&#8217;s Beacon &#187; Webomatica - Technology and Entertainment Digest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] &#8220;Opt out&#8221; therefore implies that Facebook isn&#8217;t retaining or using that data&#8230; but how can one be sure? Especially when Zuckerberg himself believes &#8220;There is no opting out of advertising&#8221;. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Opt out&#8221; therefore implies that Facebook isn&#8217;t retaining or using that data&#8230; but how can one be sure? Especially when Zuckerberg himself believes &#8220;There is no opting out of advertising&#8221;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: To Save Its Bacon, Facebook&#8217;s Weakens Beacon - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-731599</link>
		<dc:creator>To Save Its Bacon, Facebook&#8217;s Weakens Beacon - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] 6, I raised the question: Is Facebook Beacon a privacy nightmare? Three days later, my next post, Facebook&#8217;s Cruel Intentions elicited some response from the Palo Alto, CA-based company, which responded and clarified [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 6, I raised the question: Is Facebook Beacon a privacy nightmare? Three days later, my next post, Facebook&#8217;s Cruel Intentions elicited some response from the Palo Alto, CA-based company, which responded and clarified [...]</p>
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		<title>By: the Idea Shower &#187; &#187; Facebook Beacon: Two Weeks Later</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-711181</link>
		<dc:creator>the Idea Shower &#187; &#187; Facebook Beacon: Two Weeks Later</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Om Malik called for a protest of all participating companies. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Facebook Legal Faceoff &#171; ideas Revolutionary</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-686280</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook Legal Faceoff &#171; ideas Revolutionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Facebook’s Cruel Intentions, Facebook Responds - from GigaOM [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Facebook’s Cruel Intentions, Facebook Responds - from GigaOM [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Real Fresh TV&#160;&#124;&#160; Facebook: Take a leaf out of Bebo’s books. It’s not all about Social Ads.</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-678027</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Fresh TV&#160;&#124;&#160; Facebook: Take a leaf out of Bebo’s books. It’s not all about Social Ads.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] by initial reactions to Facebook’s announcement of Social ads around the web, a lot of people think that supplanting [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by initial reactions to Facebook’s announcement of Social ads around the web, a lot of people think that supplanting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Weekend Reader - Communities, Rules &#38; Privacy - Your Gadget Pro</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-673639</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Weekend Reader - Communities, Rules &#38; Privacy - Your Gadget Pro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] advertising platform are starting to sink in, and some folks are not very happy about them.  Om Malik is calling for a boycott of Facebook partners until this is resolved, while Nate Weiner has figured [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] advertising platform are starting to sink in, and some folks are not very happy about them.  Om Malik is calling for a boycott of Facebook partners until this is resolved, while Nate Weiner has figured [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Esme Vos</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-673053</link>
		<dc:creator>Esme Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is nothing to debate about here. If you don't like Facebook and its policies, leave. Ask them to delete your profile. Do not use it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I did not like Linked In and its "endorse me" feature which a lot of people I did not know used, to ask me to endorse them. Linked In  was totally worthless to me. So a few months ago (after having been on Linked In for years), I asked Linked In to delete my details from the site. End of story.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing to debate about here. If you don&#8217;t like Facebook and its policies, leave. Ask them to delete your profile. Do not use it.</p>
<p>I did not like Linked In and its &#8220;endorse me&#8221; feature which a lot of people I did not know used, to ask me to endorse them. Linked In  was totally worthless to me. So a few months ago (after having been on Linked In for years), I asked Linked In to delete my details from the site. End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: gguillotte</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-672605</link>
		<dc:creator>gguillotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Under this model, the partner’s already transmitted, and Facebook’s already received, my data before I get a chance to opt-out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don’t want that step to happen at all. I don’t want to participate in Beacon at all.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If that’s non-negotiable, I’m staying out of Facebook and continuing to recommend people stay away from it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under this model, the partner’s already transmitted, and Facebook’s already received, my data before I get a chance to opt-out.</p>
<p>I don’t want that step to happen at all. I don’t want to participate in Beacon at all.</p>
<p>If that’s non-negotiable, I’m staying out of Facebook and continuing to recommend people stay away from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Avinash</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-672586</link>
		<dc:creator>Avinash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Facebook, Orkut, MySpace: to help service providers bid for users&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Facebook, Orkut, MySpace to help service providers bid for services to users : For example, I have my profile on your social networking site, and I would like to buy auto insurance. Using my profile data and my actual details like car, driving history, car model, etc (that I can make available on your social networking site under profile), insurance companies should come up with the best quote and let me know. Instead of me going to tens of insurance companies websites and getting quotes, they should be able to come up with direct quote for me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Avinash&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=misc.contact
http://groups.google.com/group/orkut-help-suggestions/post
http://www.facebook.com/help.php?tab=suggest&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook, Orkut, MySpace: to help service providers bid for users</p>
<p>Facebook, Orkut, MySpace to help service providers bid for services to users : For example, I have my profile on your social networking site, and I would like to buy auto insurance. Using my profile data and my actual details like car, driving history, car model, etc (that I can make available on your social networking site under profile), insurance companies should come up with the best quote and let me know. Instead of me going to tens of insurance companies websites and getting quotes, they should be able to come up with direct quote for me.</p>
<p>Thanks, Avinash</p>
<p> (<a href="http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=misc.contact" rel="nofollow">link</a>) <br />
 (<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/orkut-help-suggestions/post" rel="nofollow">link</a>) <br />
 (<a href="http://www.facebook.com/help.php?tab=suggest" rel="nofollow">link</a>) </p>
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		<title>By: William Tildesley</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-672021</link>
		<dc:creator>William Tildesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;so who's signed up with them?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so who&#8217;s signed up with them?</p>
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		<title>By: Chi-chi Ekweozor</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-669804</link>
		<dc:creator>Chi-chi Ekweozor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 04:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting thoughts and valid points.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I'm taking a slightly more contrarian view, however.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I've gotten enough value out of Facebook as it is that I am willing to pay a nominal monthly subscription so that I don't see any Social Ads.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More here:
http://tinyurl.com/yvxurx&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts and valid points.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m taking a slightly more contrarian view, however.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gotten enough value out of Facebook as it is that I am willing to pay a nominal monthly subscription so that I don&#8217;t see any Social Ads.</p>
<p>More here:<br />
 (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yvxurx" rel="nofollow">link</a>) </p>
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		<title>By: Real Fresh TV&#160;&#124;&#160; Hey Facebook! I’d Gladly Pay Not To See Any Social Ads</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-669787</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Fresh TV&#160;&#124;&#160; Hey Facebook! I’d Gladly Pay Not To See Any Social Ads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 04:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] My primary concerns with Facebook Social Ads are that I cannot see why my friends would really want to notify me about their affiliations with advertisers in their news feeds. I don’t see what’s in it for them other than just to spam me on behalf of those advertisers. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My primary concerns with Facebook Social Ads are that I cannot see why my friends would really want to notify me about their affiliations with advertisers in their news feeds. I don’t see what’s in it for them other than just to spam me on behalf of those advertisers. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-669775</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 04:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I get the "whatever you say, conspiracy theorist!" treatment when I express concern about Facebook, too -- especially when I bring up their CIA connections, which have been reported by legit news agencies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But it's true. This is another step forward on the not-so-long road to turning social networks into gussied-up data warehouses.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If Facebook were an old man driving around in a van, we wouldn't let our children talk to it. "Come on little girl, the fun is right inside. Just tell us a little about yourself and you can be a part of the party, too!"&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get the &#8220;whatever you say, conspiracy theorist!&#8221; treatment when I express concern about Facebook, too &#8212; especially when I bring up their CIA connections, which have been reported by legit news agencies.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s true. This is another step forward on the not-so-long road to turning social networks into gussied-up data warehouses.</p>
<p>If Facebook were an old man driving around in a van, we wouldn&#8217;t let our children talk to it. &#8220;Come on little girl, the fun is right inside. Just tell us a little about yourself and you can be a part of the party, too!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Balaji</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/11/09/facebooks-cruel-intentions/#comment-668897</link>
		<dc:creator>Balaji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How about avoiding facebook altogether?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My understanding is that the way they can correlate your information on other sites to your information on facebook's site is by correlating the two cookies (between the two domains). So if you log on to facebook, then make sure you log off and clear cookies before you log on to any other site. It is much easier to do this in Safari and Firefox than it is to do on IE. On Safari you can use their Private Browsing feature to completely bypass the cookie issue.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I guess the question is, do you really need to remain logged on Facebook for the whole day.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>My understanding is that the way they can correlate your information on other sites to your information on facebook&#8217;s site is by correlating the two cookies (between the two domains). So if you log on to facebook, then make sure you log off and clear cookies before you log on to any other site. It is much easier to do this in Safari and Firefox than it is to do on IE. On Safari you can use their Private Browsing feature to completely bypass the cookie issue.</p>
<p>I guess the question is, do you really need to remain logged on Facebook for the whole day.</p>
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