Comments on: Stale Java for the Mac Faithful http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/ Trusted Insights and Conversations on the Next Wave of Technology Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:56:48 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: iPhone Updates - Apple iPhone Software, iPhone Hardware, iPhone cables, iPhone cases, iPhone News http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-790635 iPhone Updates - Apple iPhone Software, iPhone Hardware, iPhone cables, iPhone cases, iPhone News Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:58:57 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-790635 <p>[...] of you may recall, in the immediate aftermath of Leopard’s release, Java developers were a little upset about the exclusion of Java 6 from the shipping release of Apple’s latest operating [...]</p> [...] of you may recall, in the immediate aftermath of Leopard’s release, Java developers were a little upset about the exclusion of Java 6 from the shipping release of Apple’s latest operating [...]

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]]> By: feed me apple snacks » Java 6 Developer preview now available for Leopard http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-785563 feed me apple snacks » Java 6 Developer preview now available for Leopard Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:15:54 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-785563 <p>[...] of you may recall, in the immediate aftermath of Leopard’s release, Java developers were a little upset about the exclusion of Java 6 from the shipping release of Apple’s latest operating [...]</p> [...] of you may recall, in the immediate aftermath of Leopard’s release, Java developers were a little upset about the exclusion of Java 6 from the shipping release of Apple’s latest operating [...]

]]> By: Joe http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-636244 Joe Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:15:13 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-636244 <p>@Erik</p> <p>Plenty of Java developers in the open source world develop on Mac. I much prefer to develop Java apps on OSX or Linux as do most Java developers I know. This is mainly because I can use any number of unix command line tools or shell scripts. In corporate environments we're usually limited to Windows machines using cygwin which doesn't quite cut it.</p> <p>I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "the philosophy of Java is extremely counter to what Apple stands for". The Java community is largely built around open source products (including Java itself now) - similar for RoR. Can you elaborate on what Apple "stands for" ?</p> @Erik

Plenty of Java developers in the open source world develop on Mac. I much prefer to develop Java apps on OSX or Linux as do most Java developers I know. This is mainly because I can use any number of unix command line tools or shell scripts. In corporate environments we’re usually limited to Windows machines using cygwin which doesn’t quite cut it.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to when you say “the philosophy of Java is extremely counter to what Apple stands for”. The Java community is largely built around open source products (including Java itself now) – similar for RoR. Can you elaborate on what Apple “stands for” ?

]]> By: Erik http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-635952 Erik Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:40:22 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-635952 <p>I don't quite get the "Developer's Are Sprurned by Apple" argument. After all, Ruby on Rails was included in the release of Leopard.</p> <p>I think the reason why Apple is hating on Java is because the philosophy of Java is extremely counter to what Apple stands for. However, the philosophy of Rails lines up quite closely. I see no problem with Apple siding with philosophical allies.</p> <p>Plus, a vast majority of Rails developers use Macs. I'm not sure I've ever seen a Java programmer using a Mac.</p> I don’t quite get the “Developer’s Are Sprurned by Apple” argument. After all, Ruby on Rails was included in the release of Leopard.

I think the reason why Apple is hating on Java is because the philosophy of Java is extremely counter to what Apple stands for. However, the philosophy of Rails lines up quite closely. I see no problem with Apple siding with philosophical allies.

Plus, a vast majority of Rails developers use Macs. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Java programmer using a Mac.

]]> By: Michael Brian Bentley http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-635691 Michael Brian Bentley Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:15:15 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-635691 <p>There are a number of things that aren't quite right with Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), it isn't surprising that Java 1.6 is one of them. I believe Apple is working to take care of a number of the details and get it all in working order.</p> <p>I have 10.5 on the internal drive and 10.4 on an external drive, and I'm using 10.4 right now. I need a couple more apps to work before I can retire 10.4.</p> <p>I think Leopard is an excellent new version of Mac OS X, with lots of emphasis on new. It's a major revision. This is the first Monday after general release. Think: transition, not switch.</p> <p>There is always going to be a non-zero length transition period between major revisions for many if not most people who do nontrivial things with their computers.</p> There are a number of things that aren’t quite right with Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), it isn’t surprising that Java 1.6 is one of them. I believe Apple is working to take care of a number of the details and get it all in working order.

I have 10.5 on the internal drive and 10.4 on an external drive, and I’m using 10.4 right now. I need a couple more apps to work before I can retire 10.4.

I think Leopard is an excellent new version of Mac OS X, with lots of emphasis on new. It’s a major revision. This is the first Monday after general release. Think: transition, not switch.

There is always going to be a non-zero length transition period between major revisions for many if not most people who do nontrivial things with their computers.

]]> By: blasdelf http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-635661 blasdelf Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:00:49 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-635661 <p>It takes them awhile to release their JVMs because they've got quite a lot to do! Neither IBM, BEA, GNU Classpath, or Blackdown have released any JVMs supporting Java 1.6 either.</p> <p>Apple depends quite a bit on Java internally. Webobjects was rewritten in it years ago, and almost all of Apple's website and iTMS backend is written in it.</p> <p>While their Java-Cocoa bridge is being frozen, they are not abandoning Java anytime soon, as quite a lot of their business depends on it!</p> <p>One note, they did stop including the JDK with the base OS, you now have to install the developer tools.</p> It takes them awhile to release their JVMs because they’ve got quite a lot to do! Neither IBM, BEA, GNU Classpath, or Blackdown have released any JVMs supporting Java 1.6 either.

Apple depends quite a bit on Java internally. Webobjects was rewritten in it years ago, and almost all of Apple’s website and iTMS backend is written in it.

While their Java-Cocoa bridge is being frozen, they are not abandoning Java anytime soon, as quite a lot of their business depends on it!

One note, they did stop including the JDK with the base OS, you now have to install the developer tools.

]]> By: Juan Carlos de Burbon http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-635493 Juan Carlos de Burbon Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:14:27 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-635493 <p>Historically, developers have never been Apple's core audience. Neither have the Apple Consultants nor Apple Certified Trainers. It's actually a lot better than it was in the 1990s.</p> Historically, developers have never been Apple’s core audience. Neither have the Apple Consultants nor Apple Certified Trainers. It’s actually a lot better than it was in the 1990s.

]]> By: Stephan Schwab http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-635398 Stephan Schwab Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:24:14 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-635398 <p><strong>Stale Java for the Mac Faithful</strong></p> <p>My experience so far is that Eclipse crashes arbitrarily with the latest JVM 1.6 upgrade 3. It's probably two or three times per day. That never happens with Apple's JVM 1.5 on Mac OS X (Tiger).</p> Stale Java for the Mac Faithful

My experience so far is that Eclipse crashes arbitrarily with the latest JVM 1.6 upgrade 3. It’s probably two or three times per day. That never happens with Apple’s JVM 1.5 on Mac OS X (Tiger).

]]> By: Matt McVickar http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-635146 Matt McVickar Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:55:44 +0000 http://gigaom.com/2007/10/29/stale-java-for-the-mac-faithful/#comment-635146 <p>Of course developers aren't the core demographic. That's almost preposterous -- who could honestly believe that's true or be disappointed that it weren't? Apple is first and foremost in the business of making a consumer operating system, and they've got much more important things to be doing than catering to a singular segment of a relatively small portion of the market. I realize that developers constitute an enormous part of Apple's loyal fanbase, but they are no more important than the rest of the Mac users.</p> <p>As for the "pattern of closed tools and limited systems," do we really have that much to worry about? By my count, we've got the closed iPhone (which will be open in three months), and now no Java SDK (yet). What else is closed and limited? I'll admit that Apple's got a slight communication problem with developers, but that actually seems to be improving.</p> <p>Third-party applications are still thriving in OS X, and I don't see that stopping any time soon.</p> Of course developers aren’t the core demographic. That’s almost preposterous — who could honestly believe that’s true or be disappointed that it weren’t? Apple is first and foremost in the business of making a consumer operating system, and they’ve got much more important things to be doing than catering to a singular segment of a relatively small portion of the market. I realize that developers constitute an enormous part of Apple’s loyal fanbase, but they are no more important than the rest of the Mac users.

As for the “pattern of closed tools and limited systems,” do we really have that much to worry about? By my count, we’ve got the closed iPhone (which will be open in three months), and now no Java SDK (yet). What else is closed and limited? I’ll admit that Apple’s got a slight communication problem with developers, but that actually seems to be improving.

Third-party applications are still thriving in OS X, and I don’t see that stopping any time soon.

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