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	<title>Comments on: Productivity Goes Social with Jive</title>
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		<title>By: Pankaj Taneja</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-873056</link>
		<dc:creator>Pankaj Taneja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oops.....**used to working&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Pankaj Taneja</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-873055</link>
		<dc:creator>Pankaj Taneja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I feel that collaboration in a business context needs some kind of organization, some structure - keeping in mind how businesses are worked to using. Wiki style collaboration, a page where anybody can publish anything, is too blank a canvas to be of much use. Social collaboration in the context of an organization is multi directional information flow within an organization, with customers, and with partners. And this information flow needs to take place within a structure, rather than a free for all. Teams need to be able to able to collaborate on team matters without outside noise. Customer service departments need to be able to communicate with customers and amongst themselves etc. and even within these different pockets, there needs to be information flow.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the current intranet/extranet pages with productivity tools like file management, email, calendars, and some wiki capabilities, i feel satisfies the above needs to a large extent. it creates a delicate balance of structure and user friendliness, rather than a "chaos of freedom"&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that collaboration in a business context needs some kind of organization, some structure - keeping in mind how businesses are worked to using. Wiki style collaboration, a page where anybody can publish anything, is too blank a canvas to be of much use. Social collaboration in the context of an organization is multi directional information flow within an organization, with customers, and with partners. And this information flow needs to take place within a structure, rather than a free for all. Teams need to be able to able to collaborate on team matters without outside noise. Customer service departments need to be able to communicate with customers and amongst themselves etc. and even within these different pockets, there needs to be information flow.</p>
<p>the current intranet/extranet pages with productivity tools like file management, email, calendars, and some wiki capabilities, i feel satisfies the above needs to a large extent. it creates a delicate balance of structure and user friendliness, rather than a &#8220;chaos of freedom&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Irregular Enterprise mobile edition</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-869148</link>
		<dc:creator>Irregular Enterprise mobile edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] to easily unify and get to the point. You can call this “Enterprise 2.0″ you can call this “social productivity,” it doesn’t really matter what you call it other than it’s going to turn things right-side [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to easily unify and get to the point. You can call this “Enterprise 2.0″ you can call this “social productivity,” it doesn’t really matter what you call it other than it’s going to turn things right-side [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Go Big Always - The Enterprise Octopus</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-869100</link>
		<dc:creator>Go Big Always - The Enterprise Octopus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] unify and get to the point. You can call this &#8220;Enterprise 2.0&#8243; you can call this &#8220;social productivity,&#8221; it doesn&#8217;t really matter what you call it other than it&#8217;s going to turn things [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Go Big Always - 10 (female) thought leaders, boiled down</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-863693</link>
		<dc:creator>Go Big Always - 10 (female) thought leaders, boiled down</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] time I ran into Anne was when she interviewed me. At first I thought &#8220;tags&#8221; was a copy/paste error, but her posts often refer to other [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-858922</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The question of ROI is perhaps not so straightforward as you might expect.  Certainly there are soft benefits that are easy to identify (such as better customer relationships) and they might have been sufficient for the "leading edge" companies to justify implementing a social network or online community a year or two ago.  More and more frequently I am seeing enterprises ask for more.  In my opinion, it is what those soft benefits yield that leads to a real ROI (i.e. better customer relationships lead to less churn, or higher sale revenue per customer, etc).  Those specific results must be quantified and translated into a dollar value which is the hard part.  Experience of what similar implementations have yielded is invaluable to calculate or support new project estimates.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The best way I have found is to begin by identifying the business or customer problems an enterprise wants to address and then working through the value an organization will achieve by solving those problems.  The cost of the social network or online community factors against the value and yields the ROI.  The important thing is that how the social network or online community is used must be tied back to the enterprise or customer problem.  Other unquantifiable or incidental benefits are just the cherries on top that might sway a borderline ROI but more often than not these days, they aren't going to be the reason an enterprise proceeds with a social network.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Patty Seybold Group have done interesting work to define customer problems and define how they can be mapped onto business value.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The other thing to remember about an ROI is that it is only relevant when a company has options. If the initiative is deemed strategic and the company has to complete it to remain viable, then sometimes a social network or online community is the only way to meet the need.  In that case, defining an ROI is redundant.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That is sometimes difficult for enterprise execs to swallow but I've seen the reality.  For example, connecting a global partner network to stimulate channel sales growth is impossible to do with just email and phone calls.  It's also the situation I expect to arise over the next couple of years as more and more enterprises implement these social networks and online communities.  Being the company without a social network will be like being without a website in the 90s.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question of ROI is perhaps not so straightforward as you might expect.  Certainly there are soft benefits that are easy to identify (such as better customer relationships) and they might have been sufficient for the &#8220;leading edge&#8221; companies to justify implementing a social network or online community a year or two ago.  More and more frequently I am seeing enterprises ask for more.  In my opinion, it is what those soft benefits yield that leads to a real ROI (i.e. better customer relationships lead to less churn, or higher sale revenue per customer, etc).  Those specific results must be quantified and translated into a dollar value which is the hard part.  Experience of what similar implementations have yielded is invaluable to calculate or support new project estimates.</p>
<p>The best way I have found is to begin by identifying the business or customer problems an enterprise wants to address and then working through the value an organization will achieve by solving those problems.  The cost of the social network or online community factors against the value and yields the ROI.  The important thing is that how the social network or online community is used must be tied back to the enterprise or customer problem.  Other unquantifiable or incidental benefits are just the cherries on top that might sway a borderline ROI but more often than not these days, they aren&#8217;t going to be the reason an enterprise proceeds with a social network.</p>
<p>The Patty Seybold Group have done interesting work to define customer problems and define how they can be mapped onto business value.</p>
<p>The other thing to remember about an ROI is that it is only relevant when a company has options. If the initiative is deemed strategic and the company has to complete it to remain viable, then sometimes a social network or online community is the only way to meet the need.  In that case, defining an ROI is redundant.</p>
<p>That is sometimes difficult for enterprise execs to swallow but I&#8217;ve seen the reality.  For example, connecting a global partner network to stimulate channel sales growth is impossible to do with just email and phone calls.  It&#8217;s also the situation I expect to arise over the next couple of years as more and more enterprises implement these social networks and online communities.  Being the company without a social network will be like being without a website in the 90s.</p>
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		<title>By: Desperately Seeking Better Collaboration Tools - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-857094</link>
		<dc:creator>Desperately Seeking Better Collaboration Tools - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] I&#8217;ve looked at numerous solutions already. Being a reformed software engineer and open source advocate, I started with phpBB, but its implementation required more time and effort than I was willing to invest. I thought of building our own social network with Ning, but that didn&#8217;t seem to have the right tools to increase collaboration. On a friend&#8217;s referral, I then looked into Clearspace from Jive Software, only to realize that while this enterprise-class software could do what we want, it has more horsepower than we need and requires more system administration than we can support (see Anne’s previous coverage of Jive). [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve looked at numerous solutions already. Being a reformed software engineer and open source advocate, I started with phpBB, but its implementation required more time and effort than I was willing to invest. I thought of building our own social network with Ning, but that didn&#8217;t seem to have the right tools to increase collaboration. On a friend&#8217;s referral, I then looked into Clearspace from Jive Software, only to realize that while this enterprise-class software could do what we want, it has more horsepower than we need and requires more system administration than we can support (see Anne’s previous coverage of Jive). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Shofi</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-808147</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Shofi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As I read the literature regarding this collaborative tool I'm wondering if its just a bit ahead of the curve relative to those that make up the workforce.  What I mean, is the generation x and y groups have not been in the workforce long enough to possibly influence this type of product, much less the upcoming generation (mellinium group)that would embrace such a tool for a number of reasons.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do envision such a tool to become more popular as more of the key roles, within an organization, transfer to one of the other generational groups mentioned above.  Also, when recruiting of the melinium group becomes more robust.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I read the literature regarding this collaborative tool I&#8217;m wondering if its just a bit ahead of the curve relative to those that make up the workforce.  What I mean, is the generation x and y groups have not been in the workforce long enough to possibly influence this type of product, much less the upcoming generation (mellinium group)that would embrace such a tool for a number of reasons.</p>
<p>I do envision such a tool to become more popular as more of the key roles, within an organization, transfer to one of the other generational groups mentioned above.  Also, when recruiting of the melinium group becomes more robust.</p>
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		<title>By: GigaOM &#187; Blog Archive Jive Software Dreams of IPO &#171;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-718903</link>
		<dc:creator>GigaOM &#187; Blog Archive Jive Software Dreams of IPO &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] AM PT Comments (0)   Portland-based Jive Software, an enterprise collaboration software company we have covered in the past is dreaming of an IPO, perhaps early next year, CMO Sam Lawrence tells John Cook. The 90-person, [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: HiveLive Takes Web 2.0 Upscale &#171; GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-649149</link>
		<dc:creator>HiveLive Takes Web 2.0 Upscale &#171; GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] competitor Jive Software (profiled by GigaOM recently) may find it easier to work at enterprise scale, as Jive&#8217;s ClearSpace provides a Java-based, [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Jive Software: What's next in collaboration</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-635274</link>
		<dc:creator>Jive Software: What's next in collaboration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] of just relying on individual progress or within-the-workgroup collaboration. Read the full article here . Article posted on Mon, 29 Oct [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: share.websitemagazine.com</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-634790</link>
		<dc:creator>share.websitemagazine.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Productivity Goes Social with Jive&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Can social web applications like blogs, wikis, and online communities make a company more productive?&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Can social web applications like blogs, wikis, and online communities make a company more productive?</p>
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		<title>By: Where sharing makes sense and where it doesn&#8217;t - CorpBlawg</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-633412</link>
		<dc:creator>Where sharing makes sense and where it doesn&#8217;t - CorpBlawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] neglected CorpBlawg far too long anyway, I decided to post here instead. Katherine pointed me to this piece on GigaOM about social productivity that is both a relatively low-key sales pitch for Jive Software&#8217;s Clearspace collaboration [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] neglected CorpBlawg far too long anyway, I decided to post here instead. Katherine pointed me to this piece on GigaOM about social productivity that is both a relatively low-key sales pitch for Jive Software&#8217;s Clearspace collaboration [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael LoBue</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-633221</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael LoBue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting thread, especially relating to ROI.  However, I'm not so sure the ROI question relating to "productivity going social" is that difficult to calculate.  An experiment of sorts could be devised where "social productivity" tools or methods were used by one group and not by another and measure and compare the results.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think the bigger challenge will be to get agreement on the "return" part of the equation.  It is likely that advocates of "social productivity" will argue for different results that those that are either  not supportive of it, or don't yet understand it&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thread, especially relating to ROI.  However, I&#8217;m not so sure the ROI question relating to &#8220;productivity going social&#8221; is that difficult to calculate.  An experiment of sorts could be devised where &#8220;social productivity&#8221; tools or methods were used by one group and not by another and measure and compare the results.</p>
<p>I think the bigger challenge will be to get agreement on the &#8220;return&#8221; part of the equation.  It is likely that advocates of &#8220;social productivity&#8221; will argue for different results that those that are either  not supportive of it, or don&#8217;t yet understand it</p>
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		<title>By: Yuvamani</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-631885</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuvamani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ROI is always difficult to demonstrate with products whose USP is UI, or productivity improvements. Such things are hard to quantify.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Often these are passed off by the people who matter as 'Gimmicky','Eye Candy' etc etc. Think about the difficulty Apple has had in cracking the enterprise space and compare it with the success it has in the consumer space. Even if an enterprise was all Mac, I am not too sure a CTO would sanction an enterprise upgrade to Leopard citing the lack of any real features which matter i.e. ROI. Consumers on the other hand have lapped up Leopard !&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I guess the enterprise 2.0 folks might have to use employee "happiness" like programmer "happiness" which has been the marketing mantra of Ruby On Rails ... However RoR has not had great success in the enterprise either!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROI is always difficult to demonstrate with products whose USP is UI, or productivity improvements. Such things are hard to quantify.</p>
<p>Often these are passed off by the people who matter as &#8216;Gimmicky&#8217;,'Eye Candy&#8217; etc etc. Think about the difficulty Apple has had in cracking the enterprise space and compare it with the success it has in the consumer space. Even if an enterprise was all Mac, I am not too sure a CTO would sanction an enterprise upgrade to Leopard citing the lack of any real features which matter i.e. ROI. Consumers on the other hand have lapped up Leopard !</p>
<p>I guess the enterprise 2.0 folks might have to use employee &#8220;happiness&#8221; like programmer &#8220;happiness&#8221; which has been the marketing mantra of Ruby On Rails &#8230; However RoR has not had great success in the enterprise either!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Walsh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/10/26/productivity-goes-social-with-jive/#comment-631572</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ROI is actually relatively easy to demonstrate. There are so many tangible benefits that our clients are experiencing through their internal and external social networks, that the value proposition is quickly converting from nice to have or think I need to have - to absolutely must have to remain competitive. The best solutions enable relationship mapping and knowledge sharing, as can be seen at www.leveragesoftware.com and others like that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROI is actually relatively easy to demonstrate. There are so many tangible benefits that our clients are experiencing through their internal and external social networks, that the value proposition is quickly converting from nice to have or think I need to have - to absolutely must have to remain competitive. The best solutions enable relationship mapping and knowledge sharing, as can be seen at <a href="http://www.leveragesoftware.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.leveragesoftware.com</a> and others like that.</p>
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