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		<title>By: frederick stevens ga</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Media Intelligence. ???Given the uncertainties about near-term economic growth and consumer spendhttp://gigaom.com/2007/09/12/will-the-ad-slowdown-reach-the-web/Georgia Asphalt Series l1: 3: 77: Doug Stevens: Lovejoy, GA: 100 0: 2: 5: 12: Joey Senter: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why Silicon Valley Should Be Worried - GigaOM</title>
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		<description>[...] know the housing and financial sector-related ads have already declined drastically, now we&#8217;re going to start to see other sectors cut back on advertising, too &#8212; and that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Inquirer ES : La publicidad en Internet en auge, la tradicional a la baja</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Inquirer ES : La publicidad en Internet en auge, la tradicional a la baja</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Mortgage Implosion will be Boom for Online Lead Generation &#124; Rice's Riffs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mortgage Implosion will be Boom for Online Lead Generation &#124; Rice's Riffs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] of GigaOM, who cites the report seems to miss the point looking for doom with his headline, &#34;Will the Ad Slowdown Reach the Web?&#34; Even though he notes the [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Links To Troublesome Economic Signs &#187; Webomatica - Technology and Entertainment Digest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links To Troublesome Economic Signs &#187; Webomatica - Technology and Entertainment Digest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] GigaOM wonders if a decline in ad revenue is bad news for startups. I say keep an eye on the big folks, Yahoo! and Google. If either of them report a decline watch out below. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Spencer Rascoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spencer Rascoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting post, and interesting comments.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since our company (Zillow.com) is right at the center of both of these issues -- declining home prices and the online advertising environment -- I felt compelled to comment.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our "Zindex" (the median Zestimate, or our estimate of a home's value) for the nation was down about 3% last quarter versus the year before. So our data shows that housing prices aren't cratering the way the mainstream media would have you believe, but they're certainly declining. And of course some areas (e.g., FL, CA, AZ) are much worse than others.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regarding the alleged slowdown in online advertising for real estate and financial services companies... Obviously this is something that we think about a lot at Zillow, since it's how we make our money. I can tell you that so far we haven't found this to be the case at all. Of course some of the mortgage lead gen companies and many of the subprime lenders are facing tough times, most advertisers are doing fine. In fact many companies are using this opportunity to INCREASE their ad spend to steal share.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I've read every piece of research on this topic that I can get my hands on, and the most thoughtful piece I've seen was written by Brian Pitz and Brian Fitzgerald, equity research analysts at Bank of America. Dated 9/11/07, their piece was titled "Is There an Online Financial Services Ad Slowdown?" They answered their own question with this:
"We see few signs of online advertising weakness in Q3 to date."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They go on to say: "Our research suggests online financial services advertising is intact… An analysis of third-party data and channel checks reveals that online financial
services advertising growth remains strong, despite recent subprime and housing
concerns...We believe competition among
mortgage companies is increasing as more lenders focus on retail mortgage and
agency eligible loans. This, coupled with higher measurability and targeting
capabilities (relative to offline media), could increase demand for CPM and CPC
based online advertising, we believe."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;[Unfortunately I can't upload their report to this comment, but if anyone wants a copy, just email me at spencer AT zillow dot com.]&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In fact there's a case to be made that online media properties like Zillow should welcome this type of shock to the system, since it will likely accelerate the online migration of advertising dollars.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, and interesting comments.</p>
<p>Since our company (Zillow.com) is right at the center of both of these issues &#8212; declining home prices and the online advertising environment &#8212; I felt compelled to comment.</p>
<p>Our &#8220;Zindex&#8221; (the median Zestimate, or our estimate of a home&#8217;s value) for the nation was down about 3% last quarter versus the year before. So our data shows that housing prices aren&#8217;t cratering the way the mainstream media would have you believe, but they&#8217;re certainly declining. And of course some areas (e.g., FL, CA, AZ) are much worse than others.</p>
<p>Regarding the alleged slowdown in online advertising for real estate and financial services companies&#8230; Obviously this is something that we think about a lot at Zillow, since it&#8217;s how we make our money. I can tell you that so far we haven&#8217;t found this to be the case at all. Of course some of the mortgage lead gen companies and many of the subprime lenders are facing tough times, most advertisers are doing fine. In fact many companies are using this opportunity to INCREASE their ad spend to steal share.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read every piece of research on this topic that I can get my hands on, and the most thoughtful piece I&#8217;ve seen was written by Brian Pitz and Brian Fitzgerald, equity research analysts at Bank of America. Dated 9/11/07, their piece was titled &#8220;Is There an Online Financial Services Ad Slowdown?&#8221; They answered their own question with this:<br />
&#8220;We see few signs of online advertising weakness in Q3 to date.&#8221;</p>
<p>They go on to say: &#8220;Our research suggests online financial services advertising is intact… An analysis of third-party data and channel checks reveals that online financial<br />
services advertising growth remains strong, despite recent subprime and housing<br />
concerns&#8230;We believe competition among<br />
mortgage companies is increasing as more lenders focus on retail mortgage and<br />
agency eligible loans. This, coupled with higher measurability and targeting<br />
capabilities (relative to offline media), could increase demand for CPM and CPC<br />
based online advertising, we believe.&#8221;</p>
<p>[Unfortunately I can't upload their report to this comment, but if anyone wants a copy, just email me at spencer AT zillow dot com.]</p>
<p>In fact there&#8217;s a case to be made that online media properties like Zillow should welcome this type of shock to the system, since it will likely accelerate the online migration of advertising dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lien</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/09/12/will-the-ad-slowdown-reach-the-web/#comment-549562</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Om,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree with your observations, but using TNS data about online advertising -- see footnote 5 below in larger type -- is like looking at TV advertising data excluding cable and satellite. Quick, name the largest and fastest growing online ad unit?  Paid search (likely $13 billion in 2007 in the U.S.).  Name the fastest growing unit? Video.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Footnote from TNS Chart:
5. Internet figures do not include paid search or broadband video advertising.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Keep up the great work at GigOm -- I enjoy reading your observations.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Chris&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om,</p>
<p>I agree with your observations, but using TNS data about online advertising &#8212; see footnote 5 below in larger type &#8212; is like looking at TV advertising data excluding cable and satellite. Quick, name the largest and fastest growing online ad unit?  Paid search (likely $13 billion in 2007 in the U.S.).  Name the fastest growing unit? Video.</p>
<p>Footnote from TNS Chart:<br />
5. Internet figures do not include paid search or broadband video advertising.</p>
<p>Keep up the great work at GigOm &#8212; I enjoy reading your observations.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/09/12/will-the-ad-slowdown-reach-the-web/#comment-549252</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is a circular component to Internet advertising that will send ad revenues south in a hurry, just as it drove the 2.0 boom upward.  Ad supported sites spend money on ads, and they buy IT goods and services from companies who buy advertising from them.  "Real" dollars coming in from non-ad supported businesses get amplified by investment dollars.  This snowball will go just as fast in the reverse direction.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a circular component to Internet advertising that will send ad revenues south in a hurry, just as it drove the 2.0 boom upward.  Ad supported sites spend money on ads, and they buy IT goods and services from companies who buy advertising from them.  &#8220;Real&#8221; dollars coming in from non-ad supported businesses get amplified by investment dollars.  This snowball will go just as fast in the reverse direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Industry News, 9/13/07 &#171; Throbbing Gristle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Industry News, 9/13/07 &#171; Throbbing Gristle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jonas</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/09/12/will-the-ad-slowdown-reach-the-web/#comment-549141</link>
		<dc:creator>jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So we're heading back to another bust, and again everyone will say all these sites didn't have real business models, and the subscription-based services will be back in vogue among investors.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we&#8217;re heading back to another bust, and again everyone will say all these sites didn&#8217;t have real business models, and the subscription-based services will be back in vogue among investors.</p>
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		<title>By: Will The Ad Slowdown Reach The Web? « GigaOM at Churbuck.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will The Ad Slowdown Reach The Web? « GigaOM at Churbuck.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Will The Ad Slowdown Reach The Web? « GigaOM The housing boom hasn’t turned into a bust quite yet, but it is losing steam fast. In the meantime, the impact of the credit crunch is being felt in other areas of the U.S. economy, including advertising. A new report released today by TNS Media Intelligence shows that overall spending on advertising declined for the second quarter in a row. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: AdPusher</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/09/12/will-the-ad-slowdown-reach-the-web/#comment-549024</link>
		<dc:creator>AdPusher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ads are good.  "Unlikesociety" - if it wasn't for ads, you couldn't afford to consume any content at all.  Ads make media affordable.  The whole reason there is content is to place ads around and within it.  You'd have to pay to read free blogs and pay to log onto MySpace without ads.  Everything would be subscription like HBO.  So, numbnuts, think about the value an ad gives you, even when you ignore.  It's call subsidized content consumption.  If the ads go, so does content production.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ads are good.  &#8220;Unlikesociety&#8221; - if it wasn&#8217;t for ads, you couldn&#8217;t afford to consume any content at all.  Ads make media affordable.  The whole reason there is content is to place ads around and within it.  You&#8217;d have to pay to read free blogs and pay to log onto MySpace without ads.  Everything would be subscription like HBO.  So, numbnuts, think about the value an ad gives you, even when you ignore.  It&#8217;s call subsidized content consumption.  If the ads go, so does content production.</p>
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		<title>By: GeoSpark</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/09/12/will-the-ad-slowdown-reach-the-web/#comment-549000</link>
		<dc:creator>GeoSpark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Take a look at today's WSJ to see more about what I posted above.  Front and center there is the story about MTV's new series "The Gamekillers" being a venue that really pushes product marketing as part of the programming content.  The down cycle in traditional advertising is being driven somewhat by the move to make traditional ads look more like programming.  Just rent movie from before 1994 and try to find product placement; then rent one from 2006 or 2007 and try to avoid one. Coke is it and its  also part of the story.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at today&#8217;s WSJ to see more about what I posted above.  Front and center there is the story about MTV&#8217;s new series &#8220;The Gamekillers&#8221; being a venue that really pushes product marketing as part of the programming content.  The down cycle in traditional advertising is being driven somewhat by the move to make traditional ads look more like programming.  Just rent movie from before 1994 and try to find product placement; then rent one from 2006 or 2007 and try to avoid one. Coke is it and its  also part of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/09/12/will-the-ad-slowdown-reach-the-web/#comment-548916</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and to add... I also think there's going to be a big, big and probably rude awakening when analytics improve. Right now, very few people realize traffic can be - and is - bought, pumping numbers but not really giving much substance. I also think we're going to find that lots of social networking and social media sites aren't as big as originally thought. The fact that marketers and advertisers (and some media and bloggers) still look to Alexa for numbers says it all.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and to add&#8230; I also think there&#8217;s going to be a big, big and probably rude awakening when analytics improve. Right now, very few people realize traffic can be - and is - bought, pumping numbers but not really giving much substance. I also think we&#8217;re going to find that lots of social networking and social media sites aren&#8217;t as big as originally thought. The fact that marketers and advertisers (and some media and bloggers) still look to Alexa for numbers says it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/09/12/will-the-ad-slowdown-reach-the-web/#comment-548908</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I launched my site StyleDiary.net at a time when nobody - and I mean nobody - was advertising online at all. We had just all come off the big bust in web 1.0 and nobody was spending money online (or anywhere for that matter), and it was nearly seven or eight months later that MySpace was bought and advertisers started coming around. What that meant for me as a CEO was to create a revenue model that wasn't based entirely on ad sales. It was just a lucky break that the industry took a turn and advertisers started pumping money back into the internet market.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But even today, we compete with ad networks, there is a lot of confusion among advertisers on what works and where, and a lot of misunderstanding and misguidance on what constitutes a solid media property, so making money is still very hard. In reality, the internet media platforms and social networks really aren't that much different than traditional media (niche magazines have smaller circulation, are more targeted, others are larger, etc.) but we are a LONG way away before anybody in any aspect of the business starts to realize it and apply the old rules from before. It's unfortunate, but reality. Smart players will develop other means of revenue, period. We just launched our marketplace component (www.lookshoplist.com) for this reason. It has always, since 2004, been in our revenue model. We have only just started building it right now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think we should expect internet ad revenue to slow because now the new thing is mobile. I suspect it'll be a good few years before things die down on the development/evolution side of the web to where we can find concrete ways to make and spend money in the business element.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just my .2&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I launched my site StyleDiary.net at a time when nobody - and I mean nobody - was advertising online at all. We had just all come off the big bust in web 1.0 and nobody was spending money online (or anywhere for that matter), and it was nearly seven or eight months later that MySpace was bought and advertisers started coming around. What that meant for me as a CEO was to create a revenue model that wasn&#8217;t based entirely on ad sales. It was just a lucky break that the industry took a turn and advertisers started pumping money back into the internet market.</p>
<p>But even today, we compete with ad networks, there is a lot of confusion among advertisers on what works and where, and a lot of misunderstanding and misguidance on what constitutes a solid media property, so making money is still very hard. In reality, the internet media platforms and social networks really aren&#8217;t that much different than traditional media (niche magazines have smaller circulation, are more targeted, others are larger, etc.) but we are a LONG way away before anybody in any aspect of the business starts to realize it and apply the old rules from before. It&#8217;s unfortunate, but reality. Smart players will develop other means of revenue, period. We just launched our marketplace component (www.lookshoplist.com) for this reason. It has always, since 2004, been in our revenue model. We have only just started building it right now.</p>
<p>I think we should expect internet ad revenue to slow because now the new thing is mobile. I suspect it&#8217;ll be a good few years before things die down on the development/evolution side of the web to where we can find concrete ways to make and spend money in the business element.</p>
<p>Just my .2</p>
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		<title>By: Online Market research company</title>
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		<dc:creator>Online Market research company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;slowdown is inevitable but this time affect may not be that worse like don com bust coz India and China are going in double digit and this would last at least for 10 to 15 yeas considering the size of economy and demography..&lt;/p&gt;
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